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England  vs  West Indies

The second match of the three-match ODI series between West Indies and England is scheduled to take place shortly after. England batted very well in the first match, but the erratic performance of the bowlers led to their defeat despite being given a big target. The condition of the England team is very weak now. And so England's chances of winning in today's match are low. If the England team wants to win against the West Indies today, the bowlers will definitely need to do well. West Indies cannot be defeated without controlled bowling by the bowlers.

East Indies batsmen are confident now. West Indies players will try their best to win the second match against England. I think we will see West Indies win in today's match as well.

England team could not win the first ODI match despite a good performance, because of the poor bowling performance of the England team. Meanwhile, West Indies batting and bowling performance has been very good due to which the West Indies team has won easily. The performance of the experienced players in the squad of the England team was very good in the past but this season England team is losing even with the normal team. Because they could not put any pressure on the opposition due to which the England team had to lose. If the England team wants to win, then the bowling performance must be good.
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England  vs  West Indies

The second match of the three-match ODI series between West Indies and England is scheduled to take place shortly after. England batted very well in the first match, but the erratic performance of the bowlers led to their defeat despite being given a big target. The condition of the England team is very weak now. And so England's chances of winning in today's match are low. If the England team wants to win against the West Indies today, the bowlers will definitely need to do well. West Indies cannot be defeated without controlled bowling by the bowlers.

East Indies batsmen are confident now. West Indies players will try their best to win the second match against England. I think we will see West Indies win in today's match as well.
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@synchronym how can you blame the player’s when the WI board was paying them peanuts to play for the national team and on top of that the team often wasn’t given the best facilities hence I sympathise with the player’s. Furthermore if England lose today then I feel that the selectors may roll in changes because they’ll want England to immediately recover in this format.

First of all, the players are not being paid "peanuts". They are being paid handsomely but then they can't expect salaries at the level that the BCCI or the CA are paying their players. That being said, the players are being allowed to take part in various franchise T20 leagues and earn fat paychecks (something which boards such as BCCI doesn't allow their players to do). And let me be clear on one thing. The value of a player in different T20 leagues depends also on the performance of the national team. If the national team doesn't qualify for major ICC tournaments, then the players themselves get less exposure.
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op I agree with you. To be honest, some of the key players of West Indies have performed brilliantly in the IPL. Unfortunately these West Indies players did not perform well in their national team. If these important players of West Indies had evaluated their national team first, maybe their team would not have been eliminated from the World Cup.. It is the fault of their players. Now maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has become very strict due to which we England vs West Indies match is a great performance West Indies team. The Australian captain was asked to play in the IPL last season but he did not express his interest to play in the IPL. The Australian captain was obsessed with playing for his national team which is why he did not agree to play in the IPL. Maybe we can see Australia captain in IPL this year.

Today is the second match of another ODI which is played between two teams and those teams are West Indies and England and in the previous ODI match between these teams, we saw that England didn't play as they played, which means they had good records in the last 5 years so they should maintain them, as they won last T20 World Cup and after they won the second last ODI World Cup of 2019.

England is the team of just name and West Indies is the team of playing, they had better records so that's why their name is in the top otherwise their current performance in the recent matches is so poor and not as good as they played previous.
And just a few hours later, the second match of England vs West Indies is  again. In the first match, we saw West Indies batting brilliantly and winning against England. 2019 World Cup champion England team but currently they are not able to perform well in their game. 2023 World Cup England team batting failure so England team must try to play well. Today's match is very important for England. As West Indies won the first match, England must win today's match. In the first match, England's batsmen scored fairly well but if the bowling was a little better, England would have won the match. So in today's match too, England will have to score good runs and bowl well.

@synchronym how can you blame the player’s when the WI board was paying them peanuts to play for the national team and on top of that the team often wasn’t given the best facilities hence I sympathise with the player’s. Furthermore if England lose today then I feel that the selectors may roll in changes because they’ll want England to immediately recover in this format.
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op I agree with you. To be honest, some of the key players of West Indies have performed brilliantly in the IPL. Unfortunately these West Indies players did not perform well in their national team. If these important players of West Indies had evaluated their national team first, maybe their team would not have been eliminated from the World Cup.. It is the fault of their players. Now maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has become very strict due to which we England vs West Indies match is a great performance West Indies team. The Australian captain was asked to play in the IPL last season but he did not express his interest to play in the IPL. The Australian captain was obsessed with playing for his national team which is why he did not agree to play in the IPL. Maybe we can see Australia captain in IPL this year.

Today is the second match of another ODI which is played between two teams and those teams are West Indies and England and in the previous ODI match between these teams, we saw that England didn't play as they played, which means they had good records in the last 5 years so they should maintain them, as they won last T20 World Cup and after they won the second last ODI World Cup of 2019.

England is the team of just name and West Indies is the team of playing, they had better records so that's why their name is in the top otherwise their current performance in the recent matches is so poor and not as good as they played previous.
And just a few hours later, the second match of England vs West Indies is  again. In the first match, we saw West Indies batting brilliantly and winning against England. 2019 World Cup champion England team but currently they are not able to perform well in their game. 2023 World Cup England team batting failure so England team must try to play well. Today's match is very important for England. As West Indies won the first match, England must win today's match. In the first match, England's batsmen scored fairly well but if the bowling was a little better, England would have won the match. So in today's match too, England will have to score good runs and bowl well.
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Sadly eliminated from the 2023 ODI World Cup, the West Indies cricket team started losing its past glory. But after a long time, they managed to erase that regret by defeating the host champions English in their own country.
The second ODI match will be played at the same venue where the first ODI match was played but in this case the toss will play a very important role in the victory. As it is a day-night match, night time can facilitate Dew to bat. However, to win the three-match ODI series, it will be assured if West Indies win today. On the other hand, to maintain the chances of winning the series, I see no alternative but for England to win.

Look at the England team selection. Do they really expected to win against West Indies, without payers such as Mark Wood, Chris Woakes and Ben Stokes? Sam Curran is there, but then he went for close to 100 runs in the first ODI. These bilaterals hardly matter outside the respective countries and that maybe the reason why ECB sent a second string side to West Indies. The BBL is starting in a few days from now and a number of English players are participating in that league. For them, BBL maybe more important when compared to this useless series.
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op I agree with you. To be honest, some of the key players of West Indies have performed brilliantly in the IPL. Unfortunately these West Indies players did not perform well in their national team. If these important players of West Indies had evaluated their national team first, maybe their team would not have been eliminated from the World Cup.. It is the fault of their players. Now maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has become very strict due to which we England vs West Indies match is a great performance West Indies team. The Australian captain was asked to play in the IPL last season but he did not express his interest to play in the IPL. The Australian captain was obsessed with playing for his national team which is why he did not agree to play in the IPL. Maybe we can see Australia captain in IPL this year.

Today is the second match of another ODI which is played between two teams and those teams are West Indies and England and in the previous ODI match between these teams, we saw that England didn't play as they played, which means they had good records in the last 5 years so they should maintain them, as they won last T20 World Cup and after they won the second last ODI World Cup of 2019.

England is the team of just name and West Indies is the team of playing, they had better records so that's why their name is in the top otherwise their current performance in the recent matches is so poor and not as good as they played previous.
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England bowling performance is very disappointing me. They didn't defend a 300 plus total. West Indies outstanding performance chase down the target 326 runs in loss of 6 wickets in 48.5 over and won the match by 4 wickets against England. From England Rehan Ahmed bowl well picked 2 Crusial wickets by giving 40 runs in 10 overs. The Player of the Match is Shai Hope from west Indies for his amazing hundred runs 109 unbeaten in just 83 balls. I think England will chage his bowling line add some qulaity spinner and fast bowlers to comeback in the next match against West Indies.

Tomorrow is the second ODI match between West Indies and England, they both are superb teams but England is better than West Indies according to all ICC rankings and playing but in reality, West Indies easily beat England in the last match of this series.

I hope that the results will come again the same as the results come in previous matches. Shai Hope is the main character in the previous match and in tomorrow's match people had very hopes with Shai Hope, which means Shai Hope is the hope of all West Indies, he can renew cricket in West Indies. I think this is a turning point for Shai Hope and of course for the West Indies Cricket.
Sadly eliminated from the 2023 ODI World Cup, the West Indies cricket team started losing its past glory. But after a long time, they managed to erase that regret by defeating the host champions English in their own country.
The second ODI match will be played at the same venue where the first ODI match was played but in this case the toss will play a very important role in the victory. As it is a day-night match, night time can facilitate Dew to bat. However, to win the three-match ODI series, it will be assured if West Indies win today. On the other hand, to maintain the chances of winning the series, I see no alternative but for England to win.
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you are right, West Indies have a lot of talented players. They performed well in the T20 format. Also West Indies have a lot of hard hitting batsmen. But players are more interested in performing in various franchise leagues than performing in the national team. They benefit financially. This is the reason why we are seeing the performance of the West Indies national team deteriorating. But since the team failed to qualify for the last World Cup. So now maybe the West Indies management will be more aware about their squad. Perhaps we will see better performances from the West Indies squad in the future.
When I understood cricket roughly, I understood West Indies as a strong team at that time and now West Indies has become a team like Zimbabwe. Those players don't want to play for the national team who get called for various tournaments but those players play for the national team who don't get a chance to play any franchise tournament. Still there are many talented players in the West Indies team, if West Indies want to improve their cricket then they must increase the facilities of the players and spend money behind the players. With the increase in salary allowances, the players have to prioritize playing various franchise tournaments and organizing regular domestic series only if this team can get back to its former glory.

One of my favorite teams in T20 format is West Indies. This team is still very good in T20 format. At the same time, the West Indies players impressed the audience with excellent performances in the franchise leagues. But very few West Indies players want to perform in the national team jersey. West Indies Cricket Board should be strict on these issues now. There is a need to increase the salaries and benefits of the players. At the same time some strict rules are required. The performance of the players in the national team should be made mandatory. If not, we will see further decline in West Indies team performance in future.
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England bowling performance is very disappointing me. They didn't defend a 300 plus total. West Indies outstanding performance chase down the target 326 runs in loss of 6 wickets in 48.5 over and won the match by 4 wickets against England. From England Rehan Ahmed bowl well picked 2 Crusial wickets by giving 40 runs in 10 overs. The Player of the Match is Shai Hope from west Indies for his amazing hundred runs 109 unbeaten in just 83 balls. I think England will chage his bowling line add some qulaity spinner and fast bowlers to comeback in the next match against West Indies.

Tomorrow is the second ODI match between West Indies and England, they both are superb teams but England is better than West Indies according to all ICC rankings and playing but in reality, West Indies easily beat England in the last match of this series.

I hope that the results will come again the same as the results come in previous matches. Shai Hope is the main character in the previous match and in tomorrow's match people had very hopes with Shai Hope, which means Shai Hope is the hope of all West Indies, he can renew cricket in West Indies. I think this is a turning point for Shai Hope and of course for the West Indies Cricket.
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West Indies team players are highly rated in the franchise leagues as all the players in their team are known as heart hitters batting all over the world.
Today's result of West Indies team as far as I heard is that they don't get enough salary from their cricket board for which they are more inclined to franchise leagues instead of playing cricket in their country.
There was a time when players like Chris Gayle, Kieron Pollard, Bravo, Sunil Narine, Shivnarine Chandrapaul and Andre Russell played regularly in the West Indies team when most feared playing with the team.
The West Indies team is now so weak that they did not get a chance to play in the recently concluded 2023 World Cup while they are two-time world champions in ODI cricket.

West Indies won the first ODI match between West Indies and England by four wickets.
In this match England won the toss and batted first and they scored 325 runs for 10 wickets.
The West Indies team collected 326 runs for six wickets after coming down to the batting with a target of 326 runs given by England.For the West Indies team, Shai Hope scored 109 runs in just 83 balls.

We have seen many legendary players who have represented West Indies but cricket lovers don't recognize those players through West Indies jerseys but through IPL. Australian players don't play half as many matches for the national team as they do in the IPL. IPL is one of the most popular franchise tournaments so a large number of people around the world enjoy this franchise tournament directly. Watching people learn one thing I believe that West Indies cricketers have given more priority to franchise tournaments so the next generation is also following the path of senior cricketers if any young talented player is offered to play franchise tournament they participate in all franchise tournaments except national team camp. West Indies' performance is gradually deteriorating due to players' focus on franchise tournaments while neglecting their own team.
op I agree with you. To be honest, some of the key players of West Indies have performed brilliantly in the IPL. Unfortunately these West Indies players did not perform well in their national team. If these important players of West Indies had evaluated their national team first, maybe their team would not have been eliminated from the World Cup.. It is the fault of their players. Now maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has become very strict due to which we England vs West Indies match is a great performance West Indies team. The Australian captain was asked to play in the IPL last season but he did not express his interest to play in the IPL. The Australian captain was obsessed with playing for his national team which is why he did not agree to play in the IPL. Maybe we can see Australia captain in IPL this year.
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You will see West indies players everywhere in the league.. old players such as chris Gayle, Narine , Jason holder, pollard and many other are busy everytime with any league. Currently if you check the squad of T10 League you will find many top west indies players.. This clearly show that West indies players have high demand in league. If IPL restrict WI players then I think all matches interest will be affected.

The main thing is to use these players wisely.. If same players can performance in the league then what is the reason they couldn't qualify for the world cup.. why their rank is going down despite of quality players.. These are the some questions which WI cricket board should think and make proper improvement.

Proliferance of T20 (and T10) leagues is only one of the many reasons why the quality of West Indian cricket has gone down over the past two decades. There are many other reasons such as the rivalry between the islands, and selection policy that is influenced by race and religion. And then WICB continues to be one of the most incompetent and corrupt cricket boards among all the full member nations. The continuing emigration of West Indian youngsters to United States and European Union is not helping it either.
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IPL is one of the most popular franchise tournaments so a large number of people around the world enjoy this franchise tournament directly.
IPL isn't just one of the most popular franchises in the world, but is the most popular cricket franchise in the world since it competes with leagues like the NBA etc. IPL is the primary reason why Cricket became more relevant in recent history.

Watching people learn one thing I believe that West Indies cricketers have given more priority to franchise tournaments so the next generation is also following the path of senior cricketers if any young talented player is offered to play franchise tournament they participate in all franchise tournaments except national team camp. West Indies' performance is gradually deteriorating due to players' focus on franchise tournaments while neglecting their own team.
I don't blame them because I would do the same. It's survival of the fittest in this competitive world.
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We have seen many legendary players who have represented West Indies but cricket lovers don't recognize those players through West Indies jerseys but through IPL. Australian players don't play half as many matches for the national team as they do in the IPL. IPL is one of the most popular franchise tournaments so a large number of people around the world enjoy this franchise tournament directly. Watching people learn one thing I believe that West Indies cricketers have given more priority to franchise tournaments so the next generation is also following the path of senior cricketers if any young talented player is offered to play franchise tournament they participate in all franchise tournaments except national team camp. West Indies' performance is gradually deteriorating due to players' focus on franchise tournaments while neglecting their own team.

You will see West indies players everywhere in the league.. old players such as chris Gayle, Narine , Jason holder, pollard and many other are busy everytime with any league. Currently if you check the squad of T10 League you will find many top west indies players.. This clearly show that West indies players have high demand in league. If IPL restrict WI players then I think all matches interest will be affected.

The main thing is to use these players wisely.. If same players can performance in the league then what is the reason they couldn't qualify for the world cup.. why their rank is going down despite of quality players.. These are the some questions which WI cricket board should think and make proper improvement.
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West Indies team players are highly rated in the franchise leagues as all the players in their team are known as heart hitters batting all over the world.
Today's result of West Indies team as far as I heard is that they don't get enough salary from their cricket board for which they are more inclined to franchise leagues instead of playing cricket in their country.
There was a time when players like Chris Gayle, Kieron Pollard, Bravo, Sunil Narine, Shivnarine Chandrapaul and Andre Russell played regularly in the West Indies team when most feared playing with the team.
The West Indies team is now so weak that they did not get a chance to play in the recently concluded 2023 World Cup while they are two-time world champions in ODI cricket.

West Indies won the first ODI match between West Indies and England by four wickets.
In this match England won the toss and batted first and they scored 325 runs for 10 wickets.
The West Indies team collected 326 runs for six wickets after coming down to the batting with a target of 326 runs given by England.For the West Indies team, Shai Hope scored 109 runs in just 83 balls.

We have seen many legendary players who have represented West Indies but cricket lovers don't recognize those players through West Indies jerseys but through IPL. Australian players don't play half as many matches for the national team as they do in the IPL. IPL is one of the most popular franchise tournaments so a large number of people around the world enjoy this franchise tournament directly. Watching people learn one thing I believe that West Indies cricketers have given more priority to franchise tournaments so the next generation is also following the path of senior cricketers if any young talented player is offered to play franchise tournament they participate in all franchise tournaments except national team camp. West Indies' performance is gradually deteriorating due to players' focus on franchise tournaments while neglecting their own team.
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Salaries with the national team would always be lower than what the players get from franchise cricket. For example, even in India the top players receive around $2.5 million per year from the IPL franchises, while the national contract is worth only a fraction of that amount. And this is the case with all the cricket boards around the world. And already some of the players are choosing franchise leagues over national duty. Trent Boult of New Zealand is a perfect example. And the ICC can't do much about it.

Players are more interested in Leagues these days because of reasons you mentioned. Recently Haris Rauf refused to play test matches for Pakistan in Australia rather he will be playing BBL there. Imad Wasim took retirement from Pakistan cricket as he want to focus on league's. We have seen West indies cricket collapse due to these league's and very soon more boards will feel this heat too.
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you are right, West Indies have a lot of talented players. They performed well in the T20 format. Also West Indies have a lot of hard hitting batsmen. But players are more interested in performing in various franchise leagues than performing in the national team. They benefit financially. This is the reason why we are seeing the performance of the West Indies national team deteriorating. But since the team failed to qualify for the last World Cup. So now maybe the West Indies management will be more aware about their squad. Perhaps we will see better performances from the West Indies squad in the future.
When I understood cricket roughly, I understood West Indies as a strong team at that time and now West Indies has become a team like Zimbabwe. Those players don't want to play for the national team who get called for various tournaments but those players play for the national team who don't get a chance to play any franchise tournament. Still there are many talented players in the West Indies team, if West Indies want to improve their cricket then they must increase the facilities of the players and spend money behind the players. With the increase in salary allowances, the players have to prioritize playing various franchise tournaments and organizing regular domestic series only if this team can get back to its former glory.
West Indies team players are highly rated in the franchise leagues as all the players in their team are known as heart hitters batting all over the world.
Today's result of West Indies team as far as I heard is that they don't get enough salary from their cricket board for which they are more inclined to franchise leagues instead of playing cricket in their country.
There was a time when players like Chris Gayle, Kieron Pollard, Bravo, Sunil Narine, Shivnarine Chandrapaul and Andre Russell played regularly in the West Indies team when most feared playing with the team.
The West Indies team is now so weak that they did not get a chance to play in the recently concluded 2023 World Cup while they are two-time world champions in ODI cricket.

West Indies won the first ODI match between West Indies and England by four wickets.
In this match England won the toss and batted first and they scored 325 runs for 10 wickets.
The West Indies team collected 326 runs for six wickets after coming down to the batting with a target of 326 runs given by England.For the West Indies team, Shai Hope scored 109 runs in just 83 balls.
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When I understood cricket roughly, I understood West Indies as a strong team at that time and now West Indies has become a team like Zimbabwe. Those players don't want to play for the national team who get called for various tournaments but those players play for the national team who don't get a chance to play any franchise tournament. Still there are many talented players in the West Indies team, if West Indies want to improve their cricket then they must increase the facilities of the players and spend money behind the players. With the increase in salary allowances, the players have to prioritize playing various franchise tournaments and organizing regular domestic series only if this team can get back to its former glory.

Salaries with the national team would always be lower than what the players get from franchise cricket. For example, even in India the top players receive around $2.5 million per year from the IPL franchises, while the national contract is worth only a fraction of that amount. And this is the case with all the cricket boards around the world. And already some of the players are choosing franchise leagues over national duty. Trent Boult of New Zealand is a perfect example. And the ICC can't do much about it.
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you are right, West Indies have a lot of talented players. They performed well in the T20 format. Also West Indies have a lot of hard hitting batsmen. But players are more interested in performing in various franchise leagues than performing in the national team. They benefit financially. This is the reason why we are seeing the performance of the West Indies national team deteriorating. But since the team failed to qualify for the last World Cup. So now maybe the West Indies management will be more aware about their squad. Perhaps we will see better performances from the West Indies squad in the future.
When I understood cricket roughly, I understood West Indies as a strong team at that time and now West Indies has become a team like Zimbabwe. Those players don't want to play for the national team who get called for various tournaments but those players play for the national team who don't get a chance to play any franchise tournament. Still there are many talented players in the West Indies team, if West Indies want to improve their cricket then they must increase the facilities of the players and spend money behind the players. With the increase in salary allowances, the players have to prioritize playing various franchise tournaments and organizing regular domestic series only if this team can get back to its former glory.
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England's defeat was not very surprising. First of all they are not in good form, as evident from their performance during the 2023 ODI World Cup. And then they sent a second string team to West Indies. None of the first-choice bowlers (Chris Woakes, Mark Wood, Ollie Robinson.etc) were included in the squad and quite predictably their bowling attack struggled against the West Indian batsmen. The batsmen put up a very competitive total at Sir Vivian Richards Stadium in Antigua, but the bowlers couldn't defend it. Rehan Ahmed had a good outing though (10-0-40-2).  
A team like England has been beaten by a team that didn't qualify for the World Cup. I'm not belittling West Indies because they didn't qualify for the World Cup but we expected better from a team like England. England is a team that has performed very badly in this World Cup. It would be wrong to consider England as the worst performing team in this World Cup because England have performed very poorly in this World Cup. After India's poor performance in the World Cup, I was waiting for them to come back in the West Indies series but they failed to come back in the West Indies series. England lost the first match against West Indies by a big margin of four wickets. England batsmen gave a big target to the West Indies batsmen but the English bowlers failed to bowl economically due to which West Indies lost the first match.
West Indies team is not weak. The main problem of their team was that the performance of the players was very erratic. This team has a lot of talented players. But due to irregular performance, the team failed to qualify for the World Cup.
England's performance has been very poor since the start of the World Cup. And yet in the event of any improvement in the team's performance. England set a huge target of 326 runs against West Indies. But because of the bad performance of the bowlers, the England team had to be defeated in this match as well. Experienced bowlers like Sam Curran gave away 98 runs in 9.5 overs. Brydon Carse also scored a lot of runs. England need more improvement in bowling now.
If you have noticed the erratic performance of the West Indies players then you must have noticed why their performance is erratic. They have enough power hitting batsmen and good quality bowlers in their country but none of them want to play for the national team rather they are more interested in playing franchise tournaments only. The West Indies Cricket Board cannot pay the players properly as it is natural for the players to play cricket despite the decision of the cricket board when they get the opportunity to earn crores of rupees. If the West Indies Cricket Board had given salary allowances or perks like other teams then this team would have performed as before and not qualified for the World Cup but would have performed much better.

you are right, West Indies have a lot of talented players. They performed well in the T20 format. Also West Indies have a lot of hard hitting batsmen. But players are more interested in performing in various franchise leagues than performing in the national team. They benefit financially. This is the reason why we are seeing the performance of the West Indies national team deteriorating. But since the team failed to qualify for the last World Cup. So now maybe the West Indies management will be more aware about their squad. Perhaps we will see better performances from the West Indies squad in the future.
I really missed the 2023 World Cup West Indies. West Indies have some great players and despite having such good players, they have lost the status to play in the 2023 World Cup. Many talented West Indies players have performed especially in the IPL in India. I think there is something wrong with the West Indies Cricket Board. There is nothing wrong with players playing in different leagues. Of course first of all they should prioritize their national team every player then cricket board will improve. Maybe because of this the West Indies Cricket Board has become stricter now due to which we have seen some great batting from West Indies against England. Congratulations to the  team for their win West Indies .
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