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Quote from: Theones on February 12, 2023, 01:49:51 PM

Quote from: redsun114 on February 11, 2023, 01:56:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

I agree PCB has every right to host tourney in Pakistan but at the same BCCI has valid reservations, which we have discussed countless times. Also visiting Pakistan for Asia Cup will set a new precedent that if India can visit for the Asia cup then why not for Bilateral tours?

I would prefer if they host the tournament without India despite taking a hit on revenue. Also evil BCCI never takes a single penny from the Asia cup so it serves them right that no one has a favorable opinion towards BCCI.

I am also feeling now we need to bring changes as well as they already talk countlessly and India is not coming to play cricket in Pakistan then surely they need to go ahead without them even this could be not profitable, but this is good time for checking this all that can they survive without India in Asia or not if this happens in positive way then surely this could be good for the ACC as well because while next time India wants to host Asia Cup then surely they can also go ahead without Pakistan, and we will have end of this all drama which is creating mess up in ACC.

But, if they have not been minding to play without India then surely they need to go ahead at neutral place and stop this all media drama and other bullshit talk which is not favourable for anyone and just having off the field sentiments, hopefully we will have better decision in near future about this all.

Pakistani cricket and economy are both in limbo
They seem so unstable. I am not sure if there is any way Pakistan is going to be stable again - today I was watching in new that Tim Hortons has their highest sale over 61 years in Lahore. Are the people of Pakistan really poor?

Comparing the sale figure of Tim Hortons with that of the Pakistan's present scenario is unfair. Every country have got poor as well as rich people. The rich always enjoy the luxury, even at the bad economic situation the life style won't be disturbed much. This is the reason Tim Hortons have made history, not because of the people who are striving for a day's meal.

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Quote from: redsun114 on February 11, 2023, 01:56:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

I agree PCB has every right to host tourney in Pakistan but at the same BCCI has valid reservations, which we have discussed countless times. Also visiting Pakistan for Asia Cup will set a new precedent that if India can visit for the Asia cup then why not for Bilateral tours?

I would prefer if they host the tournament without India despite taking a hit on revenue. Also evil BCCI never takes a single penny from the Asia cup so it serves them right that no one has a favorable opinion towards BCCI.

I am also feeling now we need to bring changes as well as they already talk countlessly and India is not coming to play cricket in Pakistan then surely they need to go ahead without them even this could be not profitable, but this is good time for checking this all that can they survive without India in Asia or not if this happens in positive way then surely this could be good for the ACC as well because while next time India wants to host Asia Cup then surely they can also go ahead without Pakistan, and we will have end of this all drama which is creating mess up in ACC.

But, if they have not been minding to play without India then surely they need to go ahead at neutral place and stop this all media drama and other bullshit talk which is not favourable for anyone and just having off the field sentiments, hopefully we will have better decision in near future about this all.

Pakistani cricket and economy are both in limbo
They seem so unstable. I am not sure if there is any way Pakistan is going to be stable again - today I was watching in new that Tim Hortons has their highest sale over 61 years in Lahore. Are the people of Pakistan really poor?

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Quote from: elevates on February 11, 2023, 08:29:27 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:04:23 PM

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

That statement became a huge issue in Pakistan politics and he also got brutally trolled by on social media. Ultimately he had to come out with an answer on why he meant by that statement. You can read this article to improve your GK Grin

. I mean @elevates only quoted what he said. What can you then expect from PCB it is still based in Pakistan.

@Sithara007 please do not make it a personal issue. I clearly wrote & quoted what the PM of Pakistan has publically said and which was on every media channel in Pakistan as well as India. Thanks, @pakhitheboss & @JSRAW for the prompt reply.

These are corrupt ,selfish politicians who are playing with the future ok Pakistan, they don't care for Pakistan reputation and image in the world . When shehbaz sharing said this line he wasn't prime minister but later on they snatched the seat from imran Khan for their personal interests.
This is the reason for Pakistan downfall and instability.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 11, 2023, 01:37:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:04:23 PM

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

That statement became a huge issue in Pakistan politics and he also got brutally trolled by on social media. Ultimately he had to come out with an answer on why he meant by that statement. You can read this article to improve your GK Grin

. I mean @elevates only quoted what he said. What can you then expect from PCB it is still based in Pakistan.

@Sithara007 please do not make it a personal issue. I clearly wrote & quoted what the PM of Pakistan has publically said and which was on every media channel in Pakistan as well as India. Thanks, @pakhitheboss & @JSRAW for the prompt reply.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 11, 2023, 01:37:12 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:04:23 PM

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

That statement became a huge issue in Pakistan politics and he also got brutally trolled by on social media. Ultimately he had to come out with an answer on why he meant by that statement. You can read this article to improve your GK Grin

. I mean @elevates only quoted what he said. What can you then expect from PCB it is still based in Pakistan.

Yes - this statement has gained so much momentum and people showed so much displeasure over it.
But they are so selfish politicians and they only care for themselves and their money. that is one of the reasons people are losing interests in Pakistan and they are moving abroad.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on February 11, 2023, 12:41:22 AM

Few peoples are feeling they are going to have election in near future and things could be on same way as were before the Najam Sethi, but these all are just rumours because after checking many sources and media reports there is deadlock, and it's not going to end soon, but rumours are doing their job.

No doubt about Ramiz Raja abilities and his revolutionary changes which bring some good life in PCB, but there were also few concerns as well specially as you mention Pakistan Junior League was failure and many in PCB were also not happy with this all which is also not favourable for the Rambo but now look like things are going as this was happening before him and we will have nothing improved in coming days as well even they can lose few foreign players due to this Peshawar Masjid bomb blast as well.

Now PSL season is about to start in Pakistan and Najam sethi has allowed betting company like 1Xbit to sponsor domestic cricket in an islamic country where gambling is banned. Rashid Latif has slammed PCB for doing this - but I think NAjam sethi is a selfish person - he would only think about money and nothing more than that.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

I agree PCB has every right to host tourney in Pakistan but at the same BCCI has valid reservations, which we have discussed countless times. Also visiting Pakistan for Asia Cup will set a new precedent that if India can visit for the Asia cup then why not for Bilateral tours?

I would prefer if they host the tournament without India despite taking a hit on revenue. Also evil BCCI never takes a single penny from the Asia cup so it serves them right that no one has a favorable opinion towards BCCI.

I am also feeling now we need to bring changes as well as they already talk countlessly and India is not coming to play cricket in Pakistan then surely they need to go ahead without them even this could be not profitable, but this is good time for checking this all that can they survive without India in Asia or not if this happens in positive way then surely this could be good for the ACC as well because while next time India wants to host Asia Cup then surely they can also go ahead without Pakistan, and we will have end of this all drama which is creating mess up in ACC.

But, if they have not been minding to play without India then surely they need to go ahead at neutral place and stop this all media drama and other bullshit talk which is not favourable for anyone and just having off the field sentiments, hopefully we will have better decision in near future about this all.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2023, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:04:23 PM

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

That statement became a huge issue in Pakistan politics and he also got brutally trolled by on social media. Ultimately he had to come out with an answer on why he meant by that statement. You can read this article to improve your GK Grin

. I mean @elevates only quoted what he said. What can you then expect from PCB it is still based in Pakistan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 10, 2023, 02:04:50 AM

Did I missed something? Rambo was replaced with Najam Sethi. You are saying that he got back his position, which I am not aware of. As far as I know, Ramiz is working with some of the TV channels to cover Border Gavaskar Trophy and he doesn't hold any position with PCB at this point. But his absence would be a big blow to the PCB. During his stint, he made so many revolutionary changes (although some of them like the Pakistan Junior League were not very successful), and also increased the PCB revenues by manifold.

Unfortunately Ramiz Raja was replaced by Najam Sethi who is a journalist (and works for current government as journalist). It was a reward for him for doing pro PML-N journalism. Raja is facing hard time under Sethi as he was not included in commentators panel during Newzealand tour to Pakistan and now also not in PSL 8 commentary panel.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 10, 2023, 02:04:50 AM

Quote from: ThemePen on February 10, 2023, 01:27:33 AM

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And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
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Did I missed something? Rambo was replaced with Najam Sethi. You are saying that he got back his position, which I am not aware of. As far as I know, Ramiz is working with some of the TV channels to cover Border Gavaskar Trophy and he doesn't hold any position with PCB at this point. But his absence would be a big blow to the PCB. During his stint, he made so many revolutionary changes (although some of them like the Pakistan Junior League were not very successful), and also increased the PCB revenues by manifold.

Few peoples are feeling they are going to have election in near future and things could be on same way as were before the Najam Sethi, but these all are just rumours because after checking many sources and media reports there is deadlock, and it's not going to end soon, but rumours are doing their job.

No doubt about Ramiz Raja abilities and his revolutionary changes which bring some good life in PCB, but there were also few concerns as well specially as you mention Pakistan Junior League was failure and many in PCB were also not happy with this all which is also not favourable for the Rambo but now look like things are going as this was happening before him and we will have nothing improved in coming days as well even they can lose few foreign players due to this Peshawar Masjid bomb blast as well.

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Quote from: |MINER| on February 10, 2023, 01:44:10 AM

Quote from: ThemePen on February 10, 2023, 01:27:33 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 09:44:10 PM

Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

As in my previous post I indicated this matter. As I told the teams will refuse with this excuse that if the Pakistan's security institution are not safe so how they will safe us.
And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
By the way let see what will happen.? Huh

Unfortunately, Pakistan is now in a bad position from all sides, talking about security, due to various terrorist attacks, many cricket teams do not want to tour Pakistan. On the other hand, the economic condition of Pakistan has become almost fragile and they are running towards bankruptcy.
All in all, I don't see anything good ahead for Pakistan, other than accepting such talk from other parties. But I will also say good luck to Ramiz Raja because he is struggling a lot

I think Pakistan have to wait a few more days and should conduct their games in UAE until the situation in their country becomes normal. No one should take life risk to play cricket. I don't think people who know about them would ever take this decision. If they can change their terms and come to an agreement then it will be good for cricket otherwise an awkward atmosphere could be created which no one expects. Moreover, we know that all the worst terrorist activities in Pakistan took place only in Pakistan. So they should always be very careful about security but it should be done through compromise.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:04:23 PM

Quote from: elevates on February 09, 2023, 08:40:26 AM

We all know that Pakistan's economy is in shamble so is PCB and to justify what I saying I would like to quote what Pakistan's PM has publically said I am quoting the statement of the PM of Pakistan

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Beggars can't be choosers!

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

I agree PCB has every right to host tourney in Pakistan but at the same BCCI has valid reservations, which we have discussed countless times. Also visiting Pakistan for Asia Cup will set a new precedent that if India can visit for the Asia cup then why not for Bilateral tours?

I would prefer if they host the tournament without India despite taking a hit on revenue. Also evil BCCI never takes a single penny from the Asia cup so it serves them right that no one has a favorable opinion towards BCCI.

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Quote from: ThemePen on February 10, 2023, 01:27:33 AM

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And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
~~~

Did I missed something? Rambo was replaced with Najam Sethi. You are saying that he got back his position, which I am not aware of. As far as I know, Ramiz is working with some of the TV channels to cover Border Gavaskar Trophy and he doesn't hold any position with PCB at this point. But his absence would be a big blow to the PCB. During his stint, he made so many revolutionary changes (although some of them like the Pakistan Junior League were not very successful), and also increased the PCB revenues by manifold.

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Quote from: ThemePen on February 10, 2023, 01:27:33 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 09:44:10 PM

Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

As in my previous post I indicated this matter. As I told the teams will refuse with this excuse that if the Pakistan's security institution are not safe so how they will safe us.
And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
By the way let see what will happen.? Huh

Unfortunately, Pakistan is now in a bad position from all sides, talking about security, due to various terrorist attacks, many cricket teams do not want to tour Pakistan. On the other hand, the economic condition of Pakistan has become almost fragile and they are running towards bankruptcy.
All in all, I don't see anything good ahead for Pakistan, other than accepting such talk from other parties. But I will also say good luck to Ramiz Raja because he is struggling a lot

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 09:44:10 PM

Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

As in my previous post I indicated this matter. As I told the teams will refuse with this excuse that if the Pakistan's security institution are not safe so how they will safe us.
And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
By the way let see what will happen.? Huh

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Quote from: n0ne on February 09, 2023, 03:35:36 PM

We can't be judgemental, but it is quite evident that there is security risk. Few countries have took the risk and toured Pakistan. India had requested for change of venue. Few days back in an exhibition match in connect to PSL conducted on Bugti Stadium. The match was between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators. Bomb blast had happened near to the stadium and the match have been dropped. Maybe the security isn't that tight for the internal league. However these incidents too will be watched by the rest of the world.
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Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

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We can't be judgemental, but it is quite evident that there is security risk. Few countries have took the risk and toured Pakistan. India had requested for change of venue. Few days back in an exhibition match in connect to PSL conducted on Bugti Stadium. The match was between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators. Bomb blast had happened near to the stadium and the match have been dropped. Maybe the security isn't that tight for the internal league. However these incidents too will be watched by the rest of the world.
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Quote from: Crypto Library on February 09, 2023, 02:51:33 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:50:13 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 09, 2023, 01:34:27 AM

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

I would like agree with you in this point Because the Pakistan Cricket Board is not as powerful as the cricket boards of other countries, nor they don't much influence in the ICC prevail. So I think such move would set the Pakistan Cricket Board far behind the ICC and thereby put their cricket sports at risk.
So I don't support what Najam Sethi said, and I hope Pakistan will sort out the issues and participate in the game normally. I only took the name of Pakistan because as the saying goes, Might is right .

Right now whether they take some emotional decisions or they never take part into the world cup. Whatever, it is going to be financially affect Pakistan. As one of the user suggested finding a neutral venue and making arrangements on revenue sharing method seems to be the better choice. BCCI is in a position that no other cricket board can raise a question. PCB is struggling to run whereas BCCI is the richest sports organization. The difference is massive.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:50:13 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 09, 2023, 01:34:27 AM

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

I would like agree with you in this point Because the Pakistan Cricket Board is not as powerful as the cricket boards of other countries, nor they don't much influence in the ICC prevail. So I think such move would set the Pakistan Cricket Board far behind the ICC and thereby put their cricket sports at risk.
So I don't support what Najam Sethi said, and I hope Pakistan will sort out the issues and participate in the game normally. I only took the name of Pakistan because as the saying goes, Might is right .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:50:13 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 09, 2023, 01:34:27 AM

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

Now Pakistan cricket board has to make smart decisions. They cannot make any mistakes right now. If the Pakistan cricket board makes any decision that will be problematic for the future of Pakistan Cricket, I think they should just agree to what Indian cricket board is saying right now.

Basically, this is a loose loose situation for Pakistan. I think this is a time when they have to realize that they have to take the 'lose' and move on. Because if they analyze the situation, I don't think there is any positive outcome for them. I got the only positive outcome for them is going to be not making something really negative happen for them.

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