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Quote from: elevates on February 09, 2023, 08:40:26 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:50:13 AM

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI.

None of the small boards except PCB has a problem with BCCI. None of those small boards dance to the whims & fancies of BCCI. They all accept what BCCI says as they know clearly they won't be able to survive without the help of BCCI as it is a cricketing board of a country which is the 4th largest economy has the second big population and almost every citizen loves watching, playing, getting high just by cricket.

If PCB still wants to argue after knowing the facts then it is not called an emotional statement. In generic terms, you can call them an ignorant donkey who is after the carrot but does not want to get the carrot. Such an arrogant & proud statement by the PCB chairman would only hurt them and not BCCI.

We all know that Pakistan's economy is in shamble so is PCB and to justify what I saying I would like to quote what Pakistan's PM has publically said I am quoting the statement of the PM of Pakistan

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Beggars can't be choosers!

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

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What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

This topic should be solved by now as this problem is getting bigger and dirty with time , and all people who are blaming Pakistan and PCB for being stubborn and all bad things they are saying about Pakistan they should accept that fact that Pakistan got hosting rights and without any reason BCCI is saying and putting pressure on icc to take hosting rights from Pakistan.
This is a difficult thing for any country and now icc should finish this discussion by giving their final verdict and venue name for Asia Cup to close this topic once in for all.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2023, 01:50:13 AM

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI.

None of the small boards except PCB has a problem with BCCI. None of those small boards dance to the whims & fancies of BCCI. They all accept what BCCI says as they know clearly they won't be able to survive without the help of BCCI as it is a cricketing board of a country which is the 4th largest economy has the second big population and almost every citizen loves watching, playing, getting high just by cricket.

If PCB still wants to argue after knowing the facts then it is not called an emotional statement. In generic terms, you can call them an ignorant donkey who is after the carrot but does not want to get the carrot. Such an arrogant & proud statement by the PCB chairman would only hurt them and not BCCI.

We all know that Pakistan's economy is in shamble so is PCB and to justify what I saying I would like to quote what Pakistan's PM has publically said I am quoting the statement of the PM of Pakistan

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Beggars can't be choosers!

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 09, 2023, 01:34:27 AM

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 09:55:13 PM

Well.. this is the problem for PCB. Asia Cup is organized by the ACC. So in case the BCCI pulls out of this tournament, the PCB can't retaliate by pulling out of the ICC tournaments. Then they will be liable for financial penalties imposed by the ICC. For the PCB, the best option would be to enter in to a deal with the ACC. They can swap the hosting rights with other boards who hold the right to host the future editions of the Asia Cup. Or they can move the tournament to a neutral venue and enter in to a revenue-sharing agreement.

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

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Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

I agree as it is not good time for PCB, so they have to give up and just go as things are going with most chances they will not get any compensation from ACC as well because if they allow this all then there is no problem to playing in Pakistan here Jay Shah and company have no softer corner for Pakistan and their situation so better for the PCB just go ahead with new venue for the Asia Cup and also talk with ICC about Visas and security of the Pakistan team in India while they will be in this country for the world cup and if they agreed about this all then surely they have to go India for the world cup and give their best which is currently important for their cricket and better future of the game.

Emotions are part, and we need to have the better understanding through these situations. This will let them work on the game and progress than keeping themselves down with the unwanted politics. As said Jay Shah and Company doesn't have any soft corner, which also have valid reason. Right now moving the venue to a neutral place and winning the Asia Cup makes Pakistan stand high. Whatever the politics PCB does, it doesn't gonna benefit them in any means which is the hard truth.

ACC serves as the organizing body of the Asia Cup. It cannot be said that this organization has a very strong position in the world of cricket. If India does not participate in their upcoming event, the organization may face a huge financial loss and if Pakistan does not play in the World Cup, Pakistan will certainly incur a punishable offense which ICC will never accept. Pakistan cricket will be in big trouble if the ICC reduces their support. So they will not dare to make a big mistake for the Asia Cup.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2023, 08:02:42 AM

Why would ICC intervene in a tournament that is not governed by them? Just to let you know it is not funded by ICC. It gets it revenue from broadcasting right generated through any tournament conducted by it for example Asia cup. Which country contributes more to its funding, the answer is simple India. Therefore I do not think ICC would intervene in the Asia cup.
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Well.. this is the problem for PCB. Asia Cup is organized by the ACC. So in case the BCCI pulls out of this tournament, the PCB can't retaliate by pulling out of the ICC tournaments. Then they will be liable for financial penalties imposed by the ICC. For the PCB, the best option would be to enter in to a deal with the ACC. They can swap the hosting rights with other boards who hold the right to host the future editions of the Asia Cup. Or they can move the tournament to a neutral venue and enter in to a revenue-sharing agreement.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on February 08, 2023, 04:29:50 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 01:13:48 AM

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

I agree as it is not good time for PCB, so they have to give up and just go as things are going with most chances they will not get any compensation from ACC as well because if they allow this all then there is no problem to playing in Pakistan here Jay Shah and company have no softer corner for Pakistan and their situation so better for the PCB just go ahead with new venue for the Asia Cup and also talk with ICC about Visas and security of the Pakistan team in India while they will be in this country for the world cup and if they agreed about this all then surely they have to go India for the world cup and give their best which is currently important for their cricket and better future of the game.

Emotions are part, and we need to have the better understanding through these situations. This will let them work on the game and progress than keeping themselves down with the unwanted politics. As said Jay Shah and Company doesn't have any soft corner, which also have valid reason. Right now moving the venue to a neutral place and winning the Asia Cup makes Pakistan stand high. Whatever the politics PCB does, it doesn't gonna benefit them in any means which is the hard truth.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 01:13:48 AM

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

I agree as it is not good time for PCB, so they have to give up and just go as things are going with most chances they will not get any compensation from ACC as well because if they allow this all then there is no problem to playing in Pakistan here Jay Shah and company have no softer corner for Pakistan and their situation so better for the PCB just go ahead with new venue for the Asia Cup and also talk with ICC about Visas and security of the Pakistan team in India while they will be in this country for the world cup and if they agreed about this all then surely they have to go India for the world cup and give their best which is currently important for their cricket and better future of the game.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2023, 08:02:42 AM

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@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Why would ICC intervene in a tournament that is not governed by them? Just to let you know it is not funded by ICC. It gets it revenue from broadcasting right generated through any tournament conducted by it for example Asia cup. Which country contributes more to its funding, the answer is simple India. Therefore I do not think ICC would intervene in the Asia cup.

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 02:52:07 AM

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.
Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

This is really sad to see Pakistan suffering because of the condition of politics that they have right now in the country. Pakistan was looking to fix every problem that they have in cricket. But suddenly it feels like things are going backward for them. Asia cup not being played in Pakistan is going to be a big setback for them.

Personally, I wanted to see Pakistan host this tournament. But I cannot deny that the situation is not very good and it is going to be a big risk to send the players to Pakistan for the Asia cup. And I do not think that Pakistan will stay strong to their claim of not playing in the world cup if the Asia cup is not hosted in Pakistan. Because that is also going to be a disaster for them.

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Quote from: doomloop on February 08, 2023, 12:41:22 PM

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PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.

Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

I am personally feeling moving Asian Cup from the Pakistan is good move for all parties and then if ACC is not going to have what they will do it's another matter even I have feeling in presence of these two countries this is crap ACC its have no worth they need to avoid things related to these both countries and just live in their own which is also good for these both countries as well but what will happen and how things will go all will be clear in next few weeks so please chill and wait for the final decision good luck.

If the Asia Cup is hosted in Pakistan, India will not be there. It was decided long ago. Now if Pakistan does not want to change the venue then it is their own responsibility. Because no team should play there if security is at risk. Moreover, Pakistan is struggling to control its current deficit situation. ACC does not carry much importance. If India does not participate Asia cup there is no harm for India but if Pakistan does not change the venue then the result can be harmful for them. Which is often discussed.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 08, 2023, 08:02:42 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 02:52:07 AM

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.

Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

Every time we are deviating from the cricket to terrorism and other activities which are never been good because mostly members are here just want some updates related to cricket and players no one want to go beyond things and bringing topics like these are also never been good for the better environment if you have any problem then surely you need to create a thread about this all and then talk freely without any problem.

I am personally feeling moving Asian Cup from the Pakistan is good move for all parties and then if ACC is not going to have what they will do it's another matter even I have feeling in presence of these two countries this is crap ACC its have no worth they need to avoid things related to these both countries and just live in their own which is also good for these both countries as well but what will happen and how things will go all will be clear in next few weeks so please chill and wait for the final decision good luck.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 08, 2023, 02:47:35 AM

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Why would ICC intervene in a tournament that is not governed by them? Just to let you know it is not funded by ICC. It gets it revenue from broadcasting right generated through any tournament conducted by it for example Asia cup. Which country contributes more to its funding, the answer is simple India. Therefore I do not think ICC would intervene in the Asia cup.

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 02:52:07 AM

PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

I doubt PCB would get any compensation. Jay Shah would simply cite recent terror activities in Pakistan as the reason for shifting the venue. The ACC is not liable to pay any compensation. If Pakistan pulls out of ACC then it will be a big mistake as it won't get any support from other boards in this council. BTW all full members except India are going through an economic crisis. Just to let you know apart from these two countries the other full members are Srilanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan.

Why are we even discussing this topic when we know what will be the outcome?

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Quote from: ThemePen on February 08, 2023, 01:07:01 AM

But there is one thing which I want to explain that is, ICC gets a handsome revenue from the match of India and Pakistan mostly if there is semi final or final ( According to me others may disagree).

Completely agreed. India-Pakistan matches are some of the best hands-down for various reasons which is why they need to compete more often, but the reverse is happening sadly.

Quote from: MusaPk on February 08, 2023, 06:08:02 AM

If India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup then they will surely not come for ICC championship trophy next year and what will ICC plan for that? Well ICC can't do anything in front of big 3. There is no confirmation from PCB side regarding there participation in ODI worldcup though majority is in favour or not to participate regardless of consequences.

A lot can change with time which is why assuming that India won't participate in the ICC Championship Trophy just because of current issues between the BCCI and the PCB doesn't make much sense.

Let's see what the PCB ends up doing regarding the Asia Cup and ODI World Cup events.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2023, 02:52:07 AM

Most of the ICC revenues come from tournaments such as the ODI World Cup. So in case PCB refuses to send a team, then the ICC may retaliate and withhold the funds that are provided to the PCB. In case of Asia Cup, the funds go to ACC and therefore India can afford to pull out of that tournament. But I agree with the suggestion here. PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

If India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup then they will surely not come for ICC championship trophy next year and what will ICC plan for that? Well ICC can't do anything in front of big 3. There is no confirmation from PCB side regarding there participation in ODI worldcup though majority is in favour of not to participate regardless of consequences.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 08, 2023, 02:47:35 AM

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Also as far as the World Cup is concerned I’m pretty sure that Pakistan will give in and send their team to India, because they believe that they’ll have a chance of winning the tournament and it would be sweet revenge for them if they won the World Cup in India.

Most of the ICC revenues come from tournaments such as the ODI World Cup. So in case PCB refuses to send a team, then the ICC may retaliate and withhold the funds that are provided to the PCB. In case of Asia Cup, the funds go to ACC and therefore India can afford to pull out of that tournament. But I agree with the suggestion here. PCB can request compensation from the ACC if the tournament is moved out of Pakistan. But I don't know whether that will be a viable option, because the ACC is not a very rich board.

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So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

They will never do that sadly since money is their primary focus which is why they will keep fighting each other as usual. Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

Why? Because the Indian government spent a lot of time and effort on preparing for the upcoming World Cup event which is way, way more important and popular when compared to the Asia Cup.

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

Right now talking about India and Pakistan in cricket is completely nonsense because most chances India is not going to change their stance and Asia Cup is going to move from Pakistan and then most chances Pakistan is going to play World Cup in India without any option if they will not do this surely they are going to cut their feet's with Axe and this could be the darkest time for the Pakistan cricket because after this they will lose support from ICC and also lost funding from them as well which is never been ideal for them in current situation.

Here we need few good and positive decisions from Pakistan cricket management with cool mind but what will be their response nothing is surely with things could be clear in next three or four weeks while hate is the biggest issue between these two, and we can't do anything right now even education is not having the best solution for this all but at the end they have to stay like they are doing right now.

@doomloop I believe that the Asia Cup will be shifted out of Pakistan and ICC will cite their current economic crisis, and in the end PCB will agree for a compensation which would be a wise choice given their current crisis.

Also as far as the World Cup is concerned I’m pretty sure that Pakistan will give in and send their team to India, because they believe that they’ll have a chance of winning the tournament and it would be sweet revenge for them if they won the World Cup in India.

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Quote from: ThemePen on February 08, 2023, 01:07:01 AM

A wise person says " A good decision leads you to a good way. " We still don't know about the decision of Pakistan Cricket Board and what they will decide.
But there is one thing which I want to explain that is, ICC gets a handsome revenue from the match of India and Pakistan mostly if there is semi final or final ( According to me others may disagree).
So I don't think so that the ICC will expell the PCB from the list. Both (ICC and PCB) will make some good decision than they go ahead. In my view it is not easy to expell the PCB at this time.

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

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Quote from: doomloop on February 07, 2023, 03:18:22 PM

Here we need few good and positive decisions from Pakistan cricket management with cool mind but what will be their response nothing is surely with things could be clear in next three or four weeks while hate is the biggest issue between these two, and we can't do anything right now even education is not having the best solution for this all but at the end they have to stay like they are doing right now.

A wise person says " A good decision leads you to a good way. " We still don't know about the decision of Pakistan Cricket Board and what they will decide.
But there is one thing which I want to explain that is, ICC gets a handsome revenue from the match of India and Pakistan mostly if there is semi final or final ( According to me others may disagree).
So I don't think so that the ICC will expell the PCB from the list. Both (ICC and PCB) will make some good decision than they go ahead. In my view it is not easy to expell the PCB at this time.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 07, 2023, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on February 06, 2023, 01:22:21 PM

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

They will never do that sadly since money is their primary focus which is why they will keep fighting each other as usual. Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

Why? Because the Indian government spent a lot of time and effort on preparing for the upcoming World Cup event which is way, way more important and popular when compared to the Asia Cup.

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

Right now talking about India and Pakistan in cricket is completely nonsense because most chances India is not going to change their stance and Asia Cup is going to move from Pakistan and then most chances Pakistan is going to play World Cup in India without any option if they will not do this surely they are going to cut their feet's with Axe and this could be the darkest time for the Pakistan cricket because after this they will lose support from ICC and also lost funding from them as well which is never been ideal for them in current situation.

Here we need few good and positive decisions from Pakistan cricket management with cool mind but what will be their response nothing is surely with things could be clear in next three or four weeks while hate is the biggest issue between these two, and we can't do anything right now even education is not having the best solution for this all but at the end they have to stay like they are doing right now.

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