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Quote from: Haunebu on February 04, 2023, 12:54:16 PM

How can you say for sure that security won't be an issue for the Indian team? Can you predict the future or something? There is a huge difference between comparing Pakistan with India and other countries and you know what it is.

It's obviously Pakistan's loss if they skip the upcoming World Cup in India which is why that is their worst option.

I dont think there is any difference between India or any other team. Indian players are just ordinary guys like that in Australia, England or Zimbabwe. They have money that doesnt mean they have now become some supernatural creatures. They are not touring just because of political reason. Pakistan is as safe for cricket as any other country.

India is one of the best countries for cricket. India cricket team is one of the 5 teams in the world. They are developing themselves day by day. Preparing themselves brilliantly for the next World Cup.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 04, 2023, 12:54:16 PM

How can you say for sure that security won't be an issue for the Indian team? Can you predict the future or something? There is a huge difference between comparing Pakistan with India and other countries and you know what it is.

It's obviously Pakistan's loss if they skip the upcoming World Cup in India which is why that is their worst option.

I dont think there is any difference between India or any other team. Indian players are just ordinary guys like that in Australia, England or Zimbabwe. They have money that doesnt mean they have now become some supernatural creatures. They are not touring just because of political reason. Pakistan is as safe for cricket as any other country.

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Quote from: MusaPk on February 04, 2023, 09:42:51 AM

BCCI has refused to play in Pakistan even before Sethi sb took charge of PCB. Australia, England and New Zealand have toured Pakistan and everything went fine. Security of team is not an issue.
Peshawar blast has nothing to do with BCCI stance as they were not touring Pakistan ever since BJP has taken over government in India, india came to Pakistan in 2008 last time. PCB best option is not to travel to India for WC.

How can you say for sure that security won't be an issue for the Indian team? Can you predict the future or something? There is a huge difference between comparing Pakistan with India and other countries and you know what it is.

It's obviously Pakistan's loss if they skip the upcoming World Cup in India which is why that is their worst option.

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Quote from: MusaPk on February 04, 2023, 09:42:51 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2023, 08:14:19 AM

BCCI recently said No (for the 100th time). This answer is not going to change, no matter how hard Sethi Saab or PCB try.

They won't risk the player's life for cricket despite getting presidential-level security and rightly so, as life is more important than sports. Even Police forces are not secure there atm, the recent Peshawar blast is an example.

BCCI has refused to play in Pakistan even before Sethi sb took charge of PCB. Australia, England and New Zealand have toured Pakistan and everything went fine. Security of team is not an issue.
Peshawar blast has nothing to do with BCCI stance as they were not touring Pakistan ever since BJP has taken over government in India, india came to Pakistan in 2008 last time. PCB best option is not to travel to India for WC.

Pakistan not traveling to India for the WC not gonna cause any loss to the Indian Cricket team or the board. India holds the highest market for cricket and the absence of Pakistan will affect PCB. Already Australia, England, New Zealand, Ireland Women's team and more other teams have toured Pakistan. However India touring Pakistan and other countries touring Pakistan have got lot of difference. The ruling government of India makes big political game, no doubt it it, but we can't assure things will be perfect on Pakistan tour.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2023, 08:14:19 AM

BCCI recently said No (for the 100th time). This answer is not going to change, no matter how hard Sethi Saab or PCB try.

They won't risk the player's life for cricket despite getting presidential-level security and rightly so, as life is more important than sports. Even Police forces are not secure there atm, the recent Peshawar blast is an example.

BCCI has refused to play in Pakistan even before Sethi sb took charge of PCB. Australia, England and New Zealand have toured Pakistan and everything went fine. Security of team is not an issue.
Peshawar blast has nothing to do with BCCI stance as they were not touring Pakistan ever since BJP has taken over government in India, india came to Pakistan in 2008 last time. PCB best option is not to travel to India for WC.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2023, 08:14:19 AM

BCCI recently said No (for the 100th time). This answer is not going to change, no matter how hard Sethi Saab or PCB try.

They won't risk the player's life for cricket despite getting presidential-level security and rightly so, as life is more important than sports. Even Police forces are not secure there atm, the recent Peshawar blast is an example.

Pakistani won't understand the word No! As they have a weird constructive mind and imagination. They imagine that BCCI would come to the tables and
would say yes to their argument. A board that does not have money is representing a country that is on the verge of economic collapse and still, they have the guts to challenge the most powerful cricket board and an upcoming superpower country.

Being said that! As we Indians know they will now go to China and ask the Chinese for help in cricket Grin

lol! Whereas China is asking for help from India to get listed as a cricket team among the playing nations. PCB and the ruling government have become a joke for now. This country was a liar to its citizen and now the citizens know it all because Imran Khan Niyazi exposed the army. A week back I saw their PM on some mainstream media begging for help from India.

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BCCI recently said No (for the 100th time). This answer is not going to change, no matter how hard Sethi Saab or PCB try.

They won't risk the player's life for cricket despite getting presidential-level security and rightly so, as life is more important than sports. Even Police forces are not secure there atm, the recent Peshawar blast is an example.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2023, 10:46:31 PM

At this point, I don't think that PCB is left with too many options. The most practical thing to do would be to move Asia Cup to a neutral venue and get some compensation from ICC or BCCI to cover the losses. Their economy is crashing and they can't afford a financial penalty from the ICC in case they pull out of the ODI world cup. The fight against pig-4 can't be done alone. PCB need to build strong bonds with other smaller full members and associate nations, if they want to take a stand against the discriminatory policies within the ICC.

Okay! Let's assume the Indian team visits Pakistan to play in the Asia cup. Then PCB has to provide presidential plus security as BCCI would ask for it and there would be immense pressure on security agencies. Is it a good idea for Pakistan to invest so much money at a time when they are in an economic crisis? Will PCB be able to generate so much revenue that they would be out of economic crisis? The answer is a big NO. Then why do such petty politics? I sometimes feel PCB is more like a political party in Pakistan that does not have any vision but finds a way to create agenda in order to be in the news.

BCCI would never send Indian players to Pakistan. PCB would ultimately bow down and agree to the demands of Jay Shah. Pakistan would come to India to play in the ODIWC and forget a bilateral series between these two nations for the next 10 years. What I said will happen no matter how many times we discuss it on this thread. Mark my words!

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Quote from: MusaPk on February 03, 2023, 01:43:07 PM

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

Right now, as changes happening in Pakistan, things are not clear and no one can predict about this decision that can Pakistan tour India for the world cup, or it's all not clear if we have election in Pakistan and the Imran Khan regime again in power than most chances Pakistan will not tour and things could be worst for the game and Pakistan as well but if we have no domestic changes in coming days then surely we can expect this current management will be allowed team to tour for the World cup as they are also having big funding from the ICC and many other aspects also in their way if they will tour for this big event which is going to happen in October 2023.

Most chances we have postponed Asia Cup or going to play at neutral place because right now India is stick with his policies, and they have no soft corner about their policies against Pakistan, so things could be all gone in their favour with their policies.

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Quote from: John Abraham on February 03, 2023, 11:23:43 AM

Jofra Archer win the match alone from the bowlers' side. He got six wickets and his economy was 4.40 which is very good in ODI. Chris Woakes and Sam Curran are other talented bowlers as well. Of course they need more time and you have to give them chance as well to prove theirself.

Archer is an amazing bowler for sure, but it remains to be seen if can return to his peak form before the World Cup. Curran is another great bowler, but Woakes hasn't really been performing well in recent times.

Quote from: ThemePen on February 03, 2023, 09:58:25 PM

ICC world cup asks too much funds so Pakistan has not much funds.
But still waiting for the announcement from the Pakistan Cricket Boad. Hope they will show the final decision soon.

Pakistan didn't qualify for the 2014 World Cup and played like crap in the 2018 World Cup which is why they need to qualify and perform well in the 2023 World Cup if they wish to stay relevant in the ODI format.

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2023, 10:46:31 PM

The fight against pig-4 can't be done alone. PCB need to build strong bonds with other smaller full members and associate nations, if they want to take a stand against the discriminatory policies within the ICC.

PCB is just as corrupt as the BCCI, ICC etc which is why they need to give in to ICC's policies just like how their government is giving in to IMF's demands.

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Quote from: ThemePen on February 03, 2023, 09:58:25 PM

There are some reasons first is that. India is not coming for Asia Cup in Pakistan. And the second is the economy crisis in Pakistan. ICC world cup asks too much funds so Pakistan has not much funds.
But still waiting for the announcement from the Pakistan Cricket Boad. Hope they will show the final decision soon.

At this point, I don't think that PCB is left with too many options. The most practical thing to do would be to move Asia Cup to a neutral venue and get some compensation from ICC or BCCI to cover the losses. Their economy is crashing and they can't afford a financial penalty from the ICC in case they pull out of the ODI world cup. The fight against pig-4 can't be done alone. PCB need to build strong bonds with other smaller full members and associate nations, if they want to take a stand against the discriminatory policies within the ICC.

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Quote from: MusaPk on February 03, 2023, 01:43:07 PM

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

There are some reasons first is that. India is not coming for Asia Cup in Pakistan. And the second is the economy crisis in Pakistan. ICC world cup asks too much funds so Pakistan has not much funds.
But still waiting for the announcement from the Pakistan Cricket Boad. Hope they will show the final decision soon.

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Quote from: MusaPk on February 03, 2023, 01:43:07 PM

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

Ramiz Raja have mentioned about Pakistan's decision to play on the World Cup. He had mentioned about the scenario, amidst the economic situation, heavy investment were already into renovation of grounds considering the Asia Cup and now moving it to neutral location is not a good decision. Since 2013 India and Pakistan haven't played any bilateral series. Both the teams meet only during the ICC events.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 03, 2023, 12:36:27 PM

I would say that England is not favorites for the upcoming ODI World Cup. Because we know that England has some explosive batsmen. Every batsman is in very good form. Scoring 300 runs is easy for England batsmen. However, the performance of England's bowlers is very poor. If the bowlers are not good, I do not see the possibility of England's good results in the World Cup.

India and South Africa teams are in very good form now. I think the chances of these two teams winning the title are very high. I want to place the Australian team in third place. Australia's performance is now quite stable. I guess India will be able to win the title.

Here I am not agreed with you about England's chances into next world cup because of their poor bowling because they still have time, and they can do much better than from this performance in bowling with their few main bowlers are having issues which are not getting solve, and they are going on their track specially with the batting which is surely their power, and they can do 300+ in every game which is also amazing stuff but with few things quality will be increased, and they will be also in good shape.

India and South Africa are also good teams, but both can do better at home which is surely good advantage for the India, but we already watch South Africa which is also struggling in subcontinent conditions even we have sometime but still things are going into Indian favour for the title but still in knock out stages any result can happen with any big team.

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Quote from: MusaPk on February 03, 2023, 01:43:07 PM

Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

As I am seeing that the Pakistan team in top five on the ranking of ICC men's odi ranking. And since the top seven teams in the rankings are considered as Super Leagues and qualified for the ICC World Cup, so Pakistan is already qualified for playing ICC World Cup 2023.
Moreover, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has already confirmed that no decision has been taken regarding Pakistan not going to the ODI World Cup 2023 which is going to be held in India. source

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Quote from: Iranus on February 03, 2023, 02:29:47 PM

The world has become so centered around watching the batsmen of every team smash the ball here and there. The teams have actually forgotten about that, the bowling part is also important. We all know that England boots a lot of importance on the batting lineup. That is a big reason why England was unable to win in the first match. But in the second match, it feels like England has corrected themselves.

And, the performance of Jofra Archer was great in the second match. That's why I think England was able to win the match quite easily in the end. You can also see the moment when England improved in the bowling department, it became so easy for them to win the match. I think England has now figured out what the problem is. They have to perform well in all aspects.

We have too many rules in favour of batting which is also currently having big impact on the game but still things are manageable for the teams but recently as we have results in South Africa these are surely amazing specially in all innings we have good power hitting from the both sides and then in last ODI while Jofra Archer is at his best things settled in their favor which is also good and now with his comeback and performance like this we can expect good changes in England and their performance.

But England still needs to work on their domestic set up which is already well-balanced, but injuries are having serious impact on them and their players career in future now teams with better backup and strong domestic setup will survive and have chance to dominate this game, but we surely need big investments for this all as well.

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All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.
This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

England cricket won the last T20 World Cup because Pakistan could not give any reliable target. By the Pakistan's low performance England got the victory very easily in that particular match. But that kind of opportunity may not happen again in the ODI world cup as they will not be able to beat India and Australia, the best team of the time. Currently England belongs to the fourth position in the ICC ranking, perhaps that place will be occupied by South Africa or Pakistan. If they fail to prepare their team early, in the next World Cup their condition will be the worst. ‍Since they can do good research about cricket, they will be able to reorganize the team.

The world has become so centered around watching the batsmen of every team smash the ball here and there. The teams have actually forgotten about that, the bowling part is also important. We all know that England boots a lot of importance on the batting lineup. That is a big reason why England was unable to win in the first match. But in the second match, it feels like England has corrected themselves.

And, the performance of Jofra Archer was great in the second match. That's why I think England was able to win the match quite easily in the end. You can also see the moment when England improved in the bowling department, it became so easy for them to win the match. I think England has now figured out what the problem is. They have to perform well in all aspects.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 03, 2023, 09:59:23 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 10:35:17 PM

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

The consistency in the play is found with few batsmen and the same is missing completely with the bowlers. Even with Australia and India same is the scenario. During the days of McGrath we can say he'll break the early wickets and the match easier for them to win. Nowadays that isn't assured by any of the bowlers from Australia. Also ODI is different from T20, so win out of fluke shots won't be possible much.

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Quote from: GigaBit on February 03, 2023, 01:06:55 PM

England cricket won the last T20 World Cup because Pakistan could not give any reliable target. By the Pakistan's low performance England got the victory very easily in that particular match. But that kind of opportunity may not happen again in the ODI world cup as they will not be able to beat India and Australia, the best team of the time. Currently England belongs to the fourth position in the ICC ranking, perhaps that place will be occupied by South Africa or Pakistan. If they fail to prepare their team early, in the next World Cup their condition will be the worst. ‍Since they can do good research about cricket, they will be able to reorganize the team.

I think you forgetting how India lost to England in semi final of last T20 World Cup. England chased target of 168 runs in just 16 overs without losing a single wicket in semi final against India. While Pakistan make them work hard to chase a small target of 138.
India will defiantly have advantage of home ground and they have recently whitewashed NZ in ODI series which will boost there confidence for the ODI WC. Pakistan participation is yet not confirmed in ODI WC as India is not coming to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 03, 2023, 09:59:23 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 10:35:17 PM

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

England cricket won the last T20 World Cup because Pakistan could not give any reliable target. By the Pakistan's low performance England got the victory very easily in that particular match. But that kind of opportunity may not happen again in the ODI world cup as they will not be able to beat India and Australia, the best team of the time. Currently England belongs to the fourth position in the ICC ranking, perhaps that place will be occupied by South Africa or Pakistan. If they fail to prepare their team early, in the next World Cup their condition will be the worst. ‍Since they can do good research about cricket, they will be able to reorganize the team.

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