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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 06, 2023, 10:41:08 PM

Two decades ago, totals of 300+ were very rare in ODI matches. Out of 10-20 games, you may get one match where the team batting first would make a total of more than 300. And team chasing down targets of 300+ successfully were extremely rare. Now we have 350+ as the average total in ODIs that are played across the subcontinent. And it is not rare to see teams successfully chasing down targets of 350. Bowlers get smashed all over the park. So much so that it is starting to get repetitive. When something happens so often, it loses it's charm.

Things are going to be not fair right now, and we have to bring some better solution even it's all not possible in quick time with most chances as I mentioned many times we need to do few positive decisions for the development of this game and work on two formats with have few changes for the associate country's development as well because current situation is not favourable for all members it's giving benefit too few and many are having not ideal situation with losing funds and market as well.

In past mostly we have matches like these in subcontinent, but now we have big scores like these in SENA as well and batting is coming easy with bowling options are now needed to be also flexible as well which bring some competition and better performance of the bowlers as well surely results like these and batting like this is not favourable for this format.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on February 07, 2023, 12:03:23 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on February 07, 2023, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on February 06, 2023, 01:22:21 PM

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

But playing both event on neutral will be the only solution through which may be both board will agree to play with each other, rather than this no one borad BCCI , PCB will agree to play in each other country,
So in my view both borad should meet each other and take a bilateral decision which are in favor of both boards, and only focus on to set the clash of indoPak for crazy fans because Pakistan and India rivalry is the beauty of entire cricket

Quote from: Haunebu on February 07, 2023, 10:48:17 AM

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

If Pakistan agree to shift Asia cup to UAE and take participation in world cup inside India then after that who will give guarantee that India will visit Pakistan for upcoming ICC champion trophy 🏆

Hopefully ICC comes up with a fair and transparent solution in this matter of Asia Cup as this is one of the most important cricket event this year and this involves teams and millions and billions of fans from many countries whose sentiments are with cricket.

Logically Asia Cup will be shifted to a neutral venue for everyone's approval and participation.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 07, 2023, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on February 06, 2023, 01:22:21 PM

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

But playing both event on neutral will be the only solution through which may be both board will agree to play with each other, rather than this no one borad BCCI , PCB will agree to play in each other country,
So in my view both borad should meet each other and take a bilateral decision which are in favor of both boards, and only focus on to set the clash of indoPak for crazy fans because Pakistan and India rivalry is the beauty of entire cricket

Quote from: Haunebu on February 07, 2023, 10:48:17 AM

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

If Pakistan agree to shift Asia cup to UAE and take participation in world cup inside India then after that who will give guarantee that India will visit Pakistan for upcoming ICC champion trophy 🏆

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on February 06, 2023, 01:22:21 PM

So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

They will never do that sadly since money is their primary focus which is why they will keep fighting each other as usual. Neutral venue for the Asia Cup makes sense, but it makes zero sense for the World Cup.

Why? Because the Indian government spent a lot of time and effort on preparing for the upcoming World Cup event which is way, way more important and popular when compared to the Asia Cup.

This is why the PCB should choose the best option which is participating in the World Cup for their own good.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 06, 2023, 10:41:08 PM

Quote from: Ayers on February 06, 2023, 04:43:25 PM

It is absolutely true that the batting team always gets a lot of rules in favor of them. I can absolutely bet that any genuine cricket fan is going to say that it is never a good match to see both teams absolutely destroy the bowling side. There has to be a balance for everything to be appealing. And I think cricket is losing that balance day by day.

Yes it is great to see someone like Chris Gayle smashing the ball all over the park. But that should not be happening every day. I know that Chris Gayle is retired. I'm just giving an example.

Completely agreed. Two decades ago, totals of 300+ were very rare in ODI matches. Out of 10-20 games, you may get one match where the team batting first would make a total of more than 300. And team chasing down targets of 300+ successfully were extremely rare. Now we have 350+ as the average total in ODIs that are played across the subcontinent. And it is not rare to see teams successfully chasing down targets of 350. Bowlers get smashed all over the park. So much so that it is starting to get repetitive. When something happens so often, it loses it's charm.

Its because teams these days are playing more T20 then ODI and Test format. Only if one can completely separate Test and ODI teams from T20 then we can have see genuine test match and ODI. This is something not possible in an era which is flooded with T20 leagues. These days if you cant score 300+ runs in ODI then more probability is you will loss the match. I think ICC must choose between ODI and T20 format.

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Quote from: Ayers on February 06, 2023, 04:43:25 PM

It is absolutely true that the batting team always gets a lot of rules in favor of them. I can absolutely bet that any genuine cricket fan is going to say that it is never a good match to see both teams absolutely destroy the bowling side. There has to be a balance for everything to be appealing. And I think cricket is losing that balance day by day.

Yes it is great to see someone like Chris Gayle smashing the ball all over the park. But that should not be happening every day. I know that Chris Gayle is retired. I'm just giving an example.

Completely agreed. Two decades ago, totals of 300+ were very rare in ODI matches. Out of 10-20 games, you may get one match where the team batting first would make a total of more than 300. And team chasing down targets of 300+ successfully were extremely rare. Now we have 350+ as the average total in ODIs that are played across the subcontinent. And it is not rare to see teams successfully chasing down targets of 350. Bowlers get smashed all over the park. So much so that it is starting to get repetitive. When something happens so often, it loses it's charm.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on February 03, 2023, 03:14:50 PM

We have too many rules in favour of batting which is also currently having big impact on the game but still things are manageable for the teams but recently as we have results in South Africa these are surely amazing specially in all innings we have good power hitting from the both sides and then in last ODI while Jofra Archer is at his best things settled in their favor which is also good and now with his comeback and performance like this we can expect good changes in England and their performance.

But England still needs to work on their domestic set up which is already well-balanced, but injuries are having serious impact on them and their players career in future now teams with better backup and strong domestic setup will survive and have chance to dominate this game, but we surely need big investments for this all as well.

It is absolutely true that the batting team always gets a lot of rules in favor of them. I can absolutely bet that any genuine cricket fan is going to say that it is never a good match to see both teams absolutely destroy the bowling side. There has to be a balance for everything to be appealing. And I think cricket is losing that balance day by day.

Yes it is great to see someone like Chris Gayle smashing the ball all over the park. But that should not be happening every day. I know that Chris Gayle is retired. I'm just giving an example.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on February 06, 2023, 01:23:11 PM

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Both India and Pakistan are not in a good position on the Safest countries list to live. For a long it is something fixed with Pakistan as a country that is not secure. The recent tour by New Zealand and other countries have made the statement wrong. The bomb blasts are still continuing and the economic situation is at its worst. While sending the team, the government will think of different things. Here we can't blame anyone for the decision of not to send team India for the Asia Cup.

After reading too many posts in this thread I have feeling we need to stop this all because we are nothing to talk about this all with nothing change going to happen in both countries policies which are having no space for each other just because of this most chances Asia Cup will be moved from the Pakistan and most chances Pakistan cricket team will also visit India for the ODI World Cup 2023 because if they will choose against this surely they have face consequences which are not good for them in current time no other board will give them any favour, and they can face backlash with their decision because this is not right time for doing things like these but what are they feeling and how they will handle things no one know right now just wait one more month and then all will be clear about this all because most chances in early days of March all will be clear and this all shit talk will be ended.

There is a high chance that the Asia cup is going to be moved away from Pakistan. And Pakistan will not be able to do anything because the politics of Pakistan is compromised right now. They have to solve a lot of other more important problems rather than this problem.

And Pakistan will also have no choice but to play in the world cup in India. Because without playing the world cup Pakistan is going to put themselves in a big spot of bother. And of course, that is not going to be good for the future of Pakistan cricket at all.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on February 06, 2023, 07:07:29 AM

Both India and Pakistan are not in a good position on the Safest countries list to live. For a long it is something fixed with Pakistan as a country that is not secure. The recent tour by New Zealand and other countries have made the statement wrong. The bomb blasts are still continuing and the economic situation is at its worst. While sending the team, the government will think of different things. Here we can't blame anyone for the decision of not to send team India for the Asia Cup.

After reading too many posts in this thread I have feeling we need to stop this all because we are nothing to talk about this all with nothing change going to happen in both countries policies which are having no space for each other just because of this most chances Asia Cup will be moved from the Pakistan and most chances Pakistan cricket team will also visit India for the ODI World Cup 2023 because if they will choose against this surely they have face consequences which are not good for them in current time no other board will give them any favour, and they can face backlash with their decision because this is not right time for doing things like these but what are they feeling and how they will handle things no one know right now just wait one more month and then all will be clear about this all because most chances in early days of March all will be clear and this all shit talk will be ended.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 06, 2023, 01:06:21 PM

Quote from: Marvell1 on February 06, 2023, 11:22:10 AM

I think the solution to this is very easy. Both teams need to come together and work something out. I mean both cricket boards. But that is of course not going to happen. And I do not think that anyone can decide if a country is safe or not Just by looking at the statistics.

Agreed. The BCCI is never going to give in to PCB's requests while the PCB are focusing on the bad options instead of thinking about the good options. Pakistan have more to lose than to gain by pulling out of the ODI World Cup.

Also, what you stated about stats related to country safety is partially true. You cannot deem any country just by looking at stats, but they do help for reference sake.

India and Pakistan are both necessary for each other, they are just like positive and negative pannel of cricket beauty ,if they play with each other the cricket beauty blow up, without them cricket is colour less. So I think both country should think about his crazy fans and should find a best solution for them, if BCCI didn't allow his team to Pakistan and Pakistan didn't allow his team to India and both are agree on neutral venue, then there is not better option for them because if India didn't participate in Asia Cup then it's a big revenue damage for Pakistan and if Pakistan didn't participate in world cup then it's should be a big revenue damage for India. So both board should avoid politics in cricket and just focus on enjoying cricket.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 06, 2023, 01:06:21 PM

Quote from: Marvell1 on February 06, 2023, 11:22:10 AM

I think the solution to this is very easy. Both teams need to come together and work something out. I mean both cricket boards. But that is of course not going to happen. And I do not think that anyone can decide if a country is safe or not Just by looking at the statistics.

Agreed. The BCCI is never going to give in to PCB's requests while the PCB are focusing on the bad options instead of thinking about the good options. Pakistan have more to lose than to gain by pulling out of the ODI World Cup.

Also, what you stated about stats related to country safety is partially true. You cannot deem any country just by looking at stats, but they do help for reference sake.

So let's be fair about this if ICC changes Asia Cup venue than why not also change world cup venue and shift both to a neutral country so that both teams should play in 2 most important events of the year?

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Quote from: Mr.corol on February 06, 2023, 01:06:38 PM

England vs Bangladesh ODI series next March. England team will come to Bangladesh. Bangladesh has not won any series with England so far. I think since Bangladesh will play at home. I think Bangladesh team can win this ODI series. Bangladesh vs England ODI series will be held in three matches. Bangladesh vs England first match will start on March 1.
And the second match will be on March 3. And the third match will be on March 6.

Several years ago (2016) there was a match between Bangladesh and England where the chance of win for Bangladesh were 90 percent but Bangladesh lost that match as well. Since then I consider Bangladesh as an unpredictable team. Undoubtedly England is a good team but their cricketing rhythm has declined in recent times. Moreover, Bangladesh often plays well in Bangladeshi venues. From that point of view I think Bangladesh can win even one match. But if England's bowler Jofra Archer can't make any impact then I would say that Bangladesh can be ahead.

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England vs Bangladesh ODI series next March. England team will come to Bangladesh. Bangladesh has not won any series with England so far. I think since Bangladesh will play at home. I think Bangladesh team can win this ODI series. Bangladesh vs England ODI series will be held in three matches. Bangladesh vs England first match will start on March 1.
And the second match will be on March 3. And the third match will be on March 6.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on February 06, 2023, 11:22:10 AM

I think the solution to this is very easy. Both teams need to come together and work something out. I mean both cricket boards. But that is of course not going to happen. And I do not think that anyone can decide if a country is safe or not Just by looking at the statistics.

Agreed. The BCCI is never going to give in to PCB's requests while the PCB are focusing on the bad options instead of thinking about the good options. Pakistan have more to lose than to gain by pulling out of the ODI World Cup.

Also, what you stated about stats related to country safety is partially true. You cannot deem any country safe just by looking at stats, but they do help for reference sake.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on February 06, 2023, 09:11:47 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on February 06, 2023, 07:07:29 AM

Both India and Pakistan are not in a good position on the Safest countries list to live. For a long it is something fixed with Pakistan as a country that is not secure. The recent tour by New Zealand and other countries have made the statement wrong. The bomb blasts are still continuing and the economic situation is at its worst. While sending the team, the government will think of different things. Here we can't blame anyone for the decision of not to send team India for the Asia Cup.

Bro! From where do you get this information about the safety of anyone living in both countries? Why are you so desperate for Indian players to visit Pakistan? What would happen if Indian players do not visit Pakistan? What is the need or the urge for you to post such a reply? Just take a chill pill bro and please stop advocating for the safety & security of Indian players if they visit Pakistan.

You know and I know that Indian players will not visit Pakistan. We all know the history of these two nations. We also know how the Pakistan economy started to deteriorate after 2016. Everything is available for you and your fellow brothers to read on the internet still you guys are posting the same shit.
All of this needs to be stopped as we are talking nonsense here and spamming a beautiful thread on cricket. Let's be wise and look forward to the neutral venue where both teams will play in the Asia cup and the ODIWC game that will be played in India.

It is actually very simple. The Indian players do not feel very safe going to Pakistan for Asia Cup. And that's why I do not think that they actually should go. But on the other hand, that is obviously not going to be ideal for Pakistan. And before Pakistan also said that they are not going to play in the world cup if India does not come to Pakistan for the Asia cup. Because the world cup is going to be hosted by India. Problems everywhere.

I think the solution to this is very easy. Both teams need to come together and work something out. I mean both cricket boards. But that is of course not going to happen. And I do not think that anyone can decide if a country is safe or not Just by looking at the statistics.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on February 06, 2023, 07:07:29 AM

Both India and Pakistan are not in a good position on the Safest countries list to live. For a long it is something fixed with Pakistan as a country that is not secure. The recent tour by New Zealand and other countries have made the statement wrong. The bomb blasts are still continuing and the economic situation is at its worst. While sending the team, the government will think of different things. Here we can't blame anyone for the decision of not to send team India for the Asia Cup.

Bro! From where do you get this information about the safety of anyone living in both countries? Why are you so desperate for Indian players to visit Pakistan? What would happen if Indian players do not visit Pakistan? What is the need or the urge for you to post such a reply? Just take a chill pill bro and please stop advocating for the safety & security of Indian players if they visit Pakistan.

You know and I know that Indian players will not visit Pakistan. We all know the history of these two nations. We also know how the Pakistan economy started to deteriorate after 2016. Everything is available for you and your fellow brothers to read on the internet still you guys are posting the same shit.

All of this needs to be stopped as we are talking nonsense here and spamming a beautiful thread on cricket. Let's be wise and look forward to the neutral venue where both teams will play in the Asia cup and the ODIWC game that will be played in India.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on February 05, 2023, 07:02:04 AM

This is really tough for any country to leave rights of hosting any event, just because of their lame fears how can ICC change the venue of Asia Cup.
If all of a sudden something happened in Pakistan right before this meeting this is not their fault . These things can happen in any country .

Except for the Punjab province of Pakistan, all other provinces are struggling and people are dying for food. When Pakistan cannot provide food security to its own citizens how can it provide life security to Indian players? Think about it! Rather thinking about India or BCCI.

When there is a famine in a country, it is natural that law enforcement will deteriorate. But it is true that financial crisis has started in Pakistan but there is no possibility of famine. As suicide bombings are frequent in their country, it is natural to worry about safety. How Pakistan can convince the world about its security matters. If they don't change the venue, the problem is unlikely to be resolved.

Yes that is the reason we can't convince to anyone because in Pakistan, the nation of Pakistan is also not safe so how it will convince others to come to the country. Economic crisis is on peak in the Pakistan. In the last days we saw a case of bomb blast in Peshawar in the Police line.

A visitor can ask question that if your police which will give security to us, is not safe so how can we be safe in your country. It is really difficult to convince anyone at this time. Sad

Both India and Pakistan are not in a good position on the Safest countries list to live. For a long it is something fixed with Pakistan as a country that is not secure. The recent tour by New Zealand and other countries have made the statement wrong. The bomb blasts are still continuing and the economic situation is at its worst. While sending the team, the government will think of different things. Here we can't blame anyone for the decision of not to send team India for the Asia Cup.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on February 05, 2023, 12:31:50 PM

Even I have feeling here talk is completely waste of time, and we have nothing positive about this all because final decisions are coming from the relative authorities and boards but still I have feeling PCB is saying they will not go for the World Cup is not right decision because with these things can go worst for them, and they can lose funds and many more things even I have feeling India is trying hard for destroy Pakistani cricket with their power which is not possible but still right now if they have some sense they have to visit India for the world cup and also try to move Asia Cup in any other country which could be beneficial for them on and off the field but still last decision is coming from PCB and Government of Pakistan in March so lets wait and watch how things will be ended for this all.

Do not worry Pakistan will not skip the world cup. PCB is showing toughness at the moment as they cannot go back on what Ramiz Raja had said when he was the Chairman. They also know the repercussions of skipping the world cup. They will play both tournaments as they know they do not have any support at the moment from other boards. But, the problem here is that they are looking stupid and desperate in front of all other boards.

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This is really tough for any country to leave rights of hosting any event, just because of their lame fears how can ICC change the venue of Asia Cup.
If all of a sudden something happened in Pakistan right before this meeting this is not their fault . These things can happen in any country .

Except for the Punjab province of Pakistan, all other provinces are struggling and people are dying for food. When Pakistan cannot provide food security to its own citizens how can it provide life security to Indian players? Think about it! Rather thinking about India or BCCI.

When there is a famine in a country, it is natural that law enforcement will deteriorate. But it is true that financial crisis has started in Pakistan but there is no possibility of famine. As suicide bombings are frequent in their country, it is natural to worry about safety. How Pakistan can convince the world about its security matters. If they don't change the venue, the problem is unlikely to be resolved.

Yes that is the reason we can't convince to anyone because in Pakistan, the nation of Pakistan is also not safe so how it will convince others to come to the country. Economic crisis is on peak in the Pakistan. In the last days we saw a case of bomb blast in Peshawar in the Police line.

A visitor can ask question that if your police which will give security to us, is not safe so how can we be safe in your country. It is really difficult to convince anyone at this time. Sad

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Quote from: elevates on February 05, 2023, 08:31:53 AM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on February 05, 2023, 07:02:04 AM

This is really tough for any country to leave rights of hosting any event, just because of their lame fears how can ICC change the venue of Asia Cup.
If all of a sudden something happened in Pakistan right before this meeting this is not their fault . These things can happen in any country .

Except for the Punjab province of Pakistan, all other provinces are struggling and people are dying for food. When Pakistan cannot provide food security to its own citizens how can it provide life security to Indian players? Think about it! Rather thinking about India or BCCI.

When there is a famine in a country, it is natural that law enforcement will deteriorate. But it is true that financial crisis has started in Pakistan but there is no possibility of famine. As suicide bombings are frequent in their country, it is natural to worry about safety. How Pakistan can convince the world about its security matters. If they don't change the venue, the problem is unlikely to be resolved.

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