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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 27, 2022, 09:32:33 AM

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India has fair amount of problems when it comes to bigotry and religious fanaticism but when it comes to cricket then there is virtually no drama at all, it's all about meritocracy and nothing else. Just to give you example of Arjun Tendulkar (Sachin's son), he recently got rejected for even Mumbai's Ranji squad. For decade or so it started happening in other spots too.
I remember sometimes back some Ambedkarite (pro reservation) made a reservation jibe at the Cricket. With in a few hour everyone including Left-Centre-Right and literally every visible nutjob in the media ganged up together against this idea.

At first I laughed at the idea of quotas within the national cricket team. But then I realized that we already have that in international cricket. The South African national team has so called "transformation quotas" which calls for 7 non-white players in the national squad playing XI. Most of the top performers in South African domestic cricket are white players. But these guys will never get a chance to represent their country. Anyway, these sort of policies will never be implemented in Asian countries. No one supports such quotas here.

But the problem is that Asian countries do have quotas. We just don't realize it. There is a certain amount of favoritism in almost all Southeast Asian countries. Several countries (I am not saying any names here) do not give a lot of bright players a chance to play at the national level just because they support the opposition party. That is quite equivalent to having a quota system in my opinion. Asian say that they don't support the quota system but inside they do the exact same.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 27, 2022, 09:32:33 AM

At first I laughed at the idea of quotas within the national cricket team. But then I realized that we already have that in international cricket. The South African national team has so called "transformation quotas" which calls for 7 non-white players in the national squad playing XI. Most of the top performers in South African domestic cricket are white players. But these guys will never get a chance to represent their country. Anyway, these sort of policies will never be implemented in Asian countries. No one supports such quotas here.

It may be funny for many people but it's a serious concern for people living in South Africa who are for decades abused by white supremacy. Top performers of SA are no doubt white du Plessis, de kock but what's there use when they prefer IPL while national squad losing to weak team like Bangladesh in ODI series at home.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2022, 09:55:10 PM

India has fair amount of problems when it comes to bigotry and religious fanaticism but when it comes to cricket then there is virtually no drama at all, it's all about meritocracy and nothing else. Just to give you example of Arjun Tendulkar (Sachin's son), he recently got rejected for even Mumbai's Ranji squad. For decade or so it started happening in other spots too.

I remember sometimes back some Ambedkarite (pro reservation) made a reservation jibe at the Cricket. With in a few hour everyone including Left-Centre-Right and literally every visible nutjob in the media ganged up together against this idea.

At first I laughed at the idea of quotas within the national cricket team. But then I realized that we already have that in international cricket. The South African national team has so called "transformation quotas" which calls for 7 non-white players in the national squad playing XI. Most of the top performers in South African domestic cricket are white players. But these guys will never get a chance to represent their country. Anyway, these sort of policies will never be implemented in Asian countries. No one supports such quotas here.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 26, 2022, 09:00:06 PM

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I honestly believe that the politician was actually unbiased in terms of the political effect on the player. He actually tried to help the player's career but I also agree that in a country like India it obviously causes a lot more harm instead of good. Because that raises the question in other people's minds. And any player from any other religion can obviously say that if you follow the same religion as an important political figure you will have a better chance of playing for the national team. and that will eventually come back to bite the player.

Right now Umran is an emerging player and he has a bright career ahead. Now what happens is that some of the politicians may jump in to fray, and take credit for his success (similar to what Tharoor has done). And when politicians get involved, people forget the sports aspect and think about the political aspect. Tharoor is a representative of a particular political party and when he jumps in for someone the other camp may oppose that individual. That won't be the case, if Sourav Ganguly or Sachin Tendulkar issues a statement to support Umran. And all that said, I still don't think that Tharoor's intention was good. When was the last time he put up a cricket-related tweet?

I think this politician is just an admirer of cricket. Probably he just likes the cricket that he is watching from the player and because of the amusement that he got, I think he did what he did base on that. I don't think there will be any big problems caused by this.

Quote from: JSRAW on May 26, 2022, 09:55:10 PM

India has fair amount of problems when it comes to bigotry and religious fanaticism but when it comes to cricket then there is virtually no drama at all, it's all about meritocracy and nothing else. Just to give you example of Arjun Tendulkar (Sachin's son), he recently got rejected for even Mumbai's Ranji squad. For decade or so it started happening in other spots too.

I remember sometimes back some Ambedkarite (pro reservation) made a reservation jibe at the Cricket. With in a few hour everyone including Left-Centre-Right and literally every visible nutjob in the media ganged up together against this idea.

Actually, I believe the Indian people always want to keep politics out of cricket, that is a really good thing. I personally believe sports and politics should not mix with each other. But we have seen some problems happening in India because the cricketers played badly (talking about the problem that was created after the 2007 world cup). I believe India has come a long way since that. Everyone is quite understanding and always thinks rationally.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 27, 2022, 01:43:29 AM

I have been closely following IPL and have been amazed by the performance of Gujrat Titans and especially their captain Hardik Pandya. He has not only contributed as a baller but also as a batter in numerous occasions in this season of IPL while leading his team. They are already in the finals now and considering if they win the finals, will he replace K L Rahul as the vice captain of the Indian side? I also feel he is better than K L Rahul as a captain.

What do you guys think?

^ Considering he did not do well at all before the IPL I think it was actually a little bit of a gamble by the Gujarat Titans team to appoint him as the captain. And he certainly is showing that he is capable of doing the duty properly that he is given. I also think that he is actually better compared to KL Rahul. at least that's what is evident in this IPL till now. And his performing as a captain has also not had any bad effect on his performance I believe.

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I have been closely following IPL and have been amazed by the performance of Gujrat Titans and especially their captain Hardik Pandya. He has not only contributed as a baller but also as a batter in numerous occasions in this season of IPL while leading his team. They are already in the finals now and considering if they win the finals, will he replace K L Rahul as the vice captain of the Indian side? I also feel he is better than K L Rahul as a captain.

What do you guys think?

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Quote from: minairia3 on May 26, 2022, 09:55:25 AM

I honestly believe that the politician was actually unbiased in terms of the political effect on the player. He actually tried to help the player's career but I also agree that in a country like India it obviously causes a lot more harm instead of good. Because that raises the question in other people's minds. And any player from any other religion can obviously say that if you follow the same religion as an important political figure you will have a better chance of playing for the national team. and that will eventually come back to bite the player.

India has fair amount of problems when it comes to bigotry and religious fanaticism but when it comes to cricket then there is virtually no drama at all, it's all about meritocracy and nothing else. Just to give you example of Arjun Tendulkar (Sachin's son), he recently got rejected for even Mumbai's Ranji squad. For decade or so it started happening in other spots too.

I remember sometimes back some Ambedkarite (pro reservation) made a reservation jibe at the Cricket. With in a few hour everyone including Left-Centre-Right and literally every visible nutjob in the media ganged up together against this idea.

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Quote from: minairia3 on May 26, 2022, 09:55:25 AM

I honestly believe that the politician was actually unbiased in terms of the political effect on the player. He actually tried to help the player's career but I also agree that in a country like India it obviously causes a lot more harm instead of good. Because that raises the question in other people's minds. And any player from any other religion can obviously say that if you follow the same religion as an important political figure you will have a better chance of playing for the national team. and that will eventually come back to bite the player.

Right now Umran is an emerging player and he has a bright career ahead. Now what happens is that some of the politicians may jump in to fray, and take credit for his success (similar to what Tharoor has done). And when politicians get involved, people forget the sports aspect and think about the political aspect. Tharoor is a representative of a particular political party and when he jumps in for someone the other camp may oppose that individual. That won't be the case, if Sourav Ganguly or Sachin Tendulkar issues a statement to support Umran. And all that said, I still don't think that Tharoor's intention was good. When was the last time he put up a cricket-related tweet?

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 25, 2022, 10:21:28 PM

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I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

I believe that he’ll secure his place under Dravid (Indian coach) mentoring, and if he continues to follow Dravid’s instructions then there’s a huge possibility that he’ll develop into one of the best bowlers we have seen till date. However he should be told to ignore the expectations and just focus on his natural game, because the weight of expectations can harm his game and lastly I hope that team India will carefully groom him and help him deal with this newfound stardom.

The problem with any southeast Asian country is that they generally hype up a youngster too much. And at a point even though the youngster performs well it is believed that he is not performing at his level best and that obviously puts a lot more pressure on him. I hope that does not happen to him.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 25, 2022, 08:56:11 PM

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I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

In a politically charged country such as India, there is another danger of being dragged in to one of the ideological camps. Most of the Indians keep politics out of sports, but sometimes things get tricky. Recently one of the politicians from a pro-Muslim party demanded that Umran Malik should be included in the national team (that was before he was selected for the T20 squad).

https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1515667247762927621

I believe that these incidents do more harm to the prospects of this player rather than good. He will be stereotyped as representing just one community and obviously there will be polarization from the opposite camp. Why can't these stupid politicians stay away from cricket?

I honestly believe that the politician was actually unbiased in terms of the political effect on the player. He actually tried to help the player's career but I also agree that in a country like India it obviously causes a lot more harm instead of good. Because that raises the question in other people's minds. And any player from any other religion can obviously say that if you follow the same religion as an important political figure you will have a better chance of playing for the national team. and that will eventually come back to bite the player.

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There is fair chance for Umran Malik, Moshin Khan, Harshal Patel to get into the Indian squad. These players when given support to play international matches, surely will progress. Within the Indian team there'll be lots of politics, so that even if the players weren't performing good at the beginning they should be given consistent chances.

I am not witnessing the India A team playing a lot of matches these days. It is better not to count on the Indian domestic cricket system, since the quality is not as good as what they have in England or Australia. So what we need is more matches from the India A or the India U-23 teams. But the BCCI doesn't have any interest in them. Why can't they organize a few tours from India A or the U-23 team to associate nations such as Nepal, Kenya, Namibia or Malaysia? It is going to be mutually beneficial. The younger Indian players, we all as the associate nations will benefit from such tours.

^ I think BCCi might have a say in that because we already know that this is the only cricket board that thinks they are some premium product that is obviously above everyone else.

So, I don't know if BCCI is going to let that happen. They will obviously look for their benefit otherwise they will not let the Indian team play against an associate nation. But, I think it could be a great option for them to play against the other team which places cricket regularly like Bangladesh or any other team.

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Quote from: romero121 on May 25, 2022, 10:27:21 PM

There is fair chance for Umran Malik, Moshin Khan, Harshal Patel to get into the Indian squad. These players when given support to play international matches, surely will progress. Within the Indian team there'll be lots of politics, so that even if the players weren't performing good at the beginning they should be given consistent chances.

I am not witnessing the India A team playing a lot of matches these days. It is better not to count on the Indian domestic cricket system, since the quality is not as good as what they have in England or Australia. So what we need is more matches from the India A or the India U-23 teams. But the BCCI doesn't have any interest in them. Why can't they organize a few tours from India A or the U-23 team to associate nations such as Nepal, Kenya, Namibia or Malaysia? It is going to be mutually beneficial. The younger Indian players, we all as the associate nations will benefit from such tours.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 25, 2022, 10:21:28 PM

I believe that he’ll secure his place under Dravid (Indian coach) mentoring, and if he continues to follow Dravid’s instructions then there’s a huge possibility that he’ll develop into one of the best bowlers we have seen till date. However he should be told to ignore the expectations and just focus on his natural game, because the weight of expectations can harm his game and lastly I hope that team India will carefully groom him and help him deal with this newfound stardom.

There is fair chance for Umran Malik, Moshin Khan, Harshal Patel to get into the Indian squad. These players when given support to play international matches, surely will progress. Within the Indian team there'll be lots of politics, so that even if the players weren't performing good at the beginning they should be given consistent chances.

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I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer.

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

I believe that he’ll secure his place under Dravid (Indian coach) mentoring, and if he continues to follow Dravid’s instructions then there’s a huge possibility that he’ll develop into one of the best bowlers we have seen till date. However he should be told to ignore the expectations and just focus on his natural game, because the weight of expectations can harm his game and lastly I hope that team India will carefully groom him and help him deal with this newfound stardom.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 25, 2022, 09:41:24 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 25, 2022, 05:49:06 AM

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer.

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

Yes, fast bowlers are prone to injuries but there have been players bowlers who have made their mark in history during their short span career. I expect the same from this guy too and at the moment he is only 22 and can go without any major injuries for another 3 or 4 years. The most important aspect to stay injury free for a fast bowlers is good diet and fitness which I am sure he is knows well.

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Quote from: rugrats on May 25, 2022, 02:26:48 PM

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

In a politically charged country such as India, there is another danger of being dragged in to one of the ideological camps. Most of the Indians keep politics out of sports, but sometimes things get tricky. Recently one of the politicians from a pro-Muslim party demanded that Umran Malik should be included in the national team (that was before he was selected for the T20 squad).

https://twitter.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1515667247762927621

I believe that these incidents do more harm to the prospects of this player rather than good. He will be stereotyped as representing just one community and obviously there will be polarization from the opposite camp. Why can't these stupid politicians stay away from cricket?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 25, 2022, 09:41:24 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 25, 2022, 05:49:06 AM

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer.

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

I actually think he has decent enough skill with the best that he can generate. but it will be wrong to hype him up too much because we have seen a lot of youngsters getting hyped up too much and not performing as he was expected later. and he has to maintain fitness really well because it is really easy for fast bowlers to get injured.

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The problem with Bumrah is that once he starts getting hit for boundaries, it is really hard for him to get back into the aggressive rhythm that he generally likes. But for Muhammad Shami, I think the major problem is that he generally balls a little too short for my liking. He has to concentrate a lot on his length and I think he is good. I think it is really necessary to give time or I should say invest time into the future and really recognize which youngster face bowler is going to do well and all of the rising youngsters should be given enough chances.

Agreed on Bumrah. Once he is under pressure, he loses his rhythm. That never happens with Shami, as he is more cool headed. And regarding short pitched deliveries from Shami, I guess he do that because he plays a lot of test matches. Such bowling style is not very suitable in limited overs cricket, but he hasn't done that bad in T20 and ODI. Anyway, I believe that the Indian selectors should look at the younger bowlers as a suitable replacement for Shami/Bumrah/Ishant in the long term. Enough chances were given to bowlers such as Siraj and they haven't performed up to the mark. Now it is time to give such chances to pacers such as Umran and Avesh.

Yes, I also believe that Indians should really look at their young prospects and nurtured them well because this current generation is not getting any younger. I think that Bumrah has some good years of service left for India but he alone is not going to be enough and he will also not be in good form always. I am not talking about the youngsters that have been given chances after chances and they still could not deliver, I am talking about the youngsters fresh out of the blocks.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 25, 2022, 05:49:06 AM

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer.

One of his deliveries in the IPL was clocked at 157 kmph. I believe that this is the fastest an Indian has ever bowled in any format of cricket. He is just 22 years old and in case he can cement his place in the Indian team, then I am sure that he will go a long way. But with all the bowlers who bowls at such a pace, injury should be a concern. Just one major injury and his career will be gone. I have seen this so many times, and international cricket lost a lot of promising express pace bowlers due to injury. Jofra Archer is the latest one.

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I do not think for now Kohli can influence the selection of players as he is no longer the captain of the team. I do feel that Indian team as a whole unit is a mix of aggressive and calm individuals. Bhumrah is a completely different bowlers you cannot compare him with either Shami or Ishant. He has the ability to perform under pressure which most Indian bowlers are unable to. Ishant Sharma is a good bowler but has been affected by injuries and that is one of the reason why he is not so consistent in his performance. Shami and Bumrah combination has always proved to be deadly for the other team.

Well.. I would disagree. IMO, Shami is more consistent when compared to Bumrah. He is more cool headed and performs better under pressure IMO. Bumrah is faster, but sometimes he loses control over the ball. And regarding Ishant, I agree that he is prone to injuries. Also, Ishant requires some assistance from the pitch and doesn't perform very well in flat tracks. A number of younger pacers are coming up, including Umran Malik, Avesh Khan and Mohsin Khan. It needs to be seen who will raise to international level and stay there consistently.

I think the chance of Umran Malik cementing his position in the national squad is pretty high at the moment. He has been already selected for the T20 between SA which will be played in India. I feel if he performs well in the T20 squad then he might also get into the ODI squad which basically will cement his position. Another advantage for him to getting a permanent position in the Indian squad is that he is a fast pacer and not a medium pacer.

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