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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 17, 2022, 09:48:44 AM

In South Asia the economic conditions of players are not that good, imagine if you are certain that you won't be selected in national side and getting chance to play for GCC teams. 90% of such players will prefer to move to GCC. As far as loyalty is concerned, its GCC board responsibility to take notice of this if they are happy with this then who can stop them.

The mother of these all problems is economic situation in South Asia region mostly peoples migrating for better future and for average cricketers GCC is surely a big opportunity as we are watching currently, and they are enjoying with this all now recently ICC headquarter is also migrate here just for tax issues, so they will never bring any law which hurt them, and they lose these all benefits.

With this all few big countries are also in good favor of them just because of this all hypocrisy developing countries link PNG, Nepal, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh suffering very badly they have no enough funds for investing on infrastructural and their players are no able to perform in good way with these latest techniques.
ICC finances are also having big issue as they are depended mostly on India, Australia and England, so they are using this all for their sack.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on April 17, 2022, 08:30:29 AM

I really don't think if a person is not a citizen of a certain country he should be able to play for that particular country's cricket team. And I really think there should be a rule like that, otherwise, the countries which cannot invest in cricket at the moment is going to be just run over by the countries that are paying good enough money to get players who are not a citizen. and that is certainly taking a toll on the popularity of those countries which are trying to work hard to achieve their rightful place in cricket.

In all other sports associations they set rules which are acceptable for all members but sadly here in ICC they fail to settle things like this because here money is big power, so it's all fail with few countries are sending all teams which are not related to them but still they are playing for these countries. Which is killing this game's beauty and having issues for many countries those are playing with their native players and want to establish set up but fail to done things just because of financial problems and ICC is also not providing any positive assistance which is the biggest disaster.

GCC are rich countries, and they have the best facilities which are helping these adopted players to done better performance and give them trophies and better results for having good record, but spirit of game is dyeing.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:49:13 AM

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I don't understand why icc is crazy to include GCC into cricket despite knowing the fact that there is zero interest of cricket in native citizens. Now in current match between PNG and Oman, Oman is dominating as PNG need 130 runs in 13 overs with only 4 wikcets in hands. PNG has 100% locals but still at bottom of table.

If you really want to know the real reason, they have the resources and they have the infrastructure and countries like UAE, Saudi Arabia and Oman are willing to spend money to increase the infrastructure and make the game more popular why would ICC get between them and say no on spending money on improving the game and moreover the ICC headquarters is in the UAE with literally no tax levied on them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2022, 07:23:46 AM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 17, 2022, 05:49:32 AM

For people living in South Asia gcc is seen as a place to earn money and improve living standards. Cricketers moving to gcc are paid far better then how they are paid in domestic setups of there respective countries. Its still a good career for people who don't see there career in national teams of there countries.

Earning money should not be the sole criteria. They can represent franchise T20 clubs, and I don't have any problem with that. But when they represent countries such as Oman or Qatar, they should have some relationship with that country. International cricket can't stoop down to the level of club cricket, where there are no restrictions on who can take part. And let's not forget the fact that more than a dozen players from the UAE national team has been handed life bans during the last few years for match fixing. The reason is simple. They don't have any loyalty to the country which they represent. So they are ready to take money from bookies and fix matches.

How I see the situation is that people who know that they are not good enough to play for their respective countries try to play for these countries where the competition is not too good. And for some associate countries, I think these countries do pay really well for playing cricket. The people who know that they are never going to make it in their own country see this as a really good way of making money and also chasing their dream.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2022, 07:23:46 AM

Earning money should not be the sole criteria. They can represent franchise T20 clubs, and I don't have any problem with that. But when they represent countries such as Oman or Qatar, they should have some relationship with that country. International cricket can't stoop down to the level of club cricket, where there are no restrictions on who can take part. And let's not forget the fact that more than a dozen players from the UAE national team has been handed life bans during the last few years for match fixing. The reason is simple. They don't have any loyalty to the country which they represent. So they are ready to take money from bookies and fix matches.

In South Asia the economic conditions of players are not that good, imagine if you are certain that you won't be selected in national side and getting chance to play for GCC teams. 90% of such players will prefer to move to GCC. As far as loyalty is concerned, its GCC board responsibility to take notice of this if they are happy with this then who can stop them.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 17, 2022, 05:34:06 AM

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Assume how these mercenary players from India and Pakistan are reaching Oman and United Arab Emirates, do you think that their cricket board is coming to India and Pakistan to recruit these players or do you think that these players are moving to these countries looking for new opportunities and go for selection process and if they have the talent they will be picked. I doubt they will be sending scouts rather these players are moving to their country to play the game.

There are already enough cricket players in Pakistan and India, so there is no need to PCB and BCCI to go out and hunt for players. GCC have zero interest in cricket but they have money, just to fulfil there passion they have made a cricket team out of expats. Players from Pakistan and India love to play for GCC since it gives the huge money.

We can't say players from India and Pakistan were moving to GCC countries looking for cricketing career. It is common to see more number of people from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan from neighbouring countries getting settled in GCC countries. As the GCC countries are much into horse racing and other form of games, these expats have helped in creating national cricket teams. Also this doesn't mean they are paid big.

There could be a situation where a player wants to play cricket for his national team but it is not going to be good enough to play for India, Bangladesh, or Pakistan. So maybe he can see this as an opportunity for himself to play cricket professionally even though he knows that the same is not going to be there. so probably some people might take a chance in this way and the people living in these countries have some good general ideas about how to play cricket so they don't have to struggle too much in there.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:49:13 AM

I don't understand why icc is crazy to include GCC into cricket despite knowing the fact that there is zero interest of cricket in native citizens. Now in current match between PNG and Oman, Oman is dominating as PNG need 130 runs in 13 overs with only 4 wikcets in hands. PNG has 100% locals but still at bottom of table.

Teams like Oman and the United Arab Emirates are full of former first class players from India and Pakistan. The native players from PNG and Nepal doesn't have that experience and therefore they can't compete against these mercenary teams. On top of that, the ICC has reduced funding to teams like Nepal and Kenya during the last decade. This further reduces the ability of these countries to give proper training to their players. The GCC nations on the other hand are having unlimited access to funds and they have the best cricket infrastructure in the world.

Even I am strictly against this rule by ICC but if we check all system and facilities which are providing these GCC countries it's a good for game and cricketers because right now many countries are not able to invest in this game and have their best quality for national teams and on other side these countries are only giving money and have their required players those are giving them good results even it's not good for countries like PNG and Nepal but still good enough because in long run ICC is not doing things which are very important for improvement of marketing and few other things so these GCC countries are doing their work even it's just for own sack and not good for game but still investing which is good.
ICC headquarter are here in Dubai which is also good as it's helping them for having some good cut in taxes which is not available in any other country.

I really don't think if a person is not a citizen of a certain country he should be able to play for that particular country's cricket team. And I really think there should be a rule like that, otherwise, the countries which cannot invest in cricket at the moment is going to be just run over by the countries that are paying good enough money to get players who are not a citizen. and that is certainly taking a toll on the popularity of those countries which are trying to work hard to achieve their rightful place in cricket.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 17, 2022, 05:49:32 AM

For people living in South Asia gcc is seen as a place to earn money and improve living standards. Cricketers moving to gcc are paid far better then how they are paid in domestic setups of there respective countries. Its still a good career for people who don't see there career in national teams of there countries.

Earning money should not be the sole criteria. They can represent franchise T20 clubs, and I don't have any problem with that. But when they represent countries such as Oman or Qatar, they should have some relationship with that country. International cricket can't stoop down to the level of club cricket, where there are no restrictions on who can take part. And let's not forget the fact that more than a dozen players from the UAE national team has been handed life bans during the last few years for match fixing. The reason is simple. They don't have any loyalty to the country which they represent. So they are ready to take money from bookies and fix matches.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 17, 2022, 05:34:06 AM

We can't say players from India and Pakistan were moving to GCC countries looking for cricketing career. It is common to see more number of people from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan from neighbouring countries getting settled in GCC countries. As the GCC countries are much into horse racing and other form of games, these expats have helped in creating national cricket teams. Also this doesn't mean they are paid big.

For people living in South Asia gcc is seen as a place to earn money and improve living standards. Cricketers moving to gcc are paid far better then how they are paid in domestic setups of there respective countries. Its still a good career for people who don't see there career in national teams of there countries.

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Quote from: galambo on April 17, 2022, 02:24:13 AM

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Assume how these mercenary players from India and Pakistan are reaching Oman and United Arab Emirates, do you think that their cricket board is coming to India and Pakistan to recruit these players or do you think that these players are moving to these countries looking for new opportunities and go for selection process and if they have the talent they will be picked. I doubt they will be sending scouts rather these players are moving to their country to play the game.

There are already enough cricket players in Pakistan and India, so there is no need to PCB and BCCI to go out and hunt for players. GCC have zero interest in cricket but they have money, just to fulfil there passion they have made a cricket team out of expats. Players from Pakistan and India love to play for GCC since it gives the huge money.

We can't say players from India and Pakistan were moving to GCC countries looking for cricketing career. It is common to see more number of people from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan from neighbouring countries getting settled in GCC countries. As the GCC countries are much into horse racing and other form of games, these expats have helped in creating national cricket teams. Also this doesn't mean they are paid big.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2022, 09:18:31 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:49:13 AM

I don't understand why icc is crazy to include GCC into cricket despite knowing the fact that there is zero interest of cricket in native citizens. Now in current match between PNG and Oman, Oman is dominating as PNG need 130 runs in 13 overs with only 4 wikcets in hands. PNG has 100% locals but still at bottom of table.

Teams like Oman and the United Arab Emirates are full of former first class players from India and Pakistan. The native players from PNG and Nepal doesn't have that experience and therefore they can't compete against these mercenary teams. On top of that, the ICC has reduced funding to teams like Nepal and Kenya during the last decade. This further reduces the ability of these countries to give proper training to their players. The GCC nations on the other hand are having unlimited access to funds and they have the best cricket infrastructure in the world.

Even I am strictly against this rule by ICC but if we check all system and facilities which are providing these GCC countries it's a good for game and cricketers because right now many countries are not able to invest in this game and have their best quality for national teams and on other side these countries are only giving money and have their required players those are giving them good results even it's not good for countries like PNG and Nepal but still good enough because in long run ICC is not doing things which are very important for improvement of marketing and few other things so these GCC countries are doing their work even it's just for own sack and not good for game but still investing which is good.

ICC headquarter are here in Dubai which is also good as it's helping them for having some good cut in taxes which is not available in any other country.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 17, 2022, 02:20:42 AM

Assume how these mercenary players from India and Pakistan are reaching Oman and United Arab Emirates, do you think that their cricket board is coming to India and Pakistan to recruit these players or do you think that these players are moving to these countries looking for new opportunities and go for selection process and if they have the talent they will be picked. I doubt they will be sending scouts rather these players are moving to their country to play the game.

There are already enough cricket players in Pakistan and India, so there is no need to PCB and BCCI to go out and hunt for players. GCC have zero interest in cricket but they have money, just to fulfil there passion they have made a cricket team out of expats. Players from Pakistan and India love to play for GCC since it gives the huge money.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2022, 09:18:31 PM

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Teams like Oman and the United Arab Emirates are full of former first class players from India and Pakistan. The native players from PNG and Nepal doesn't have that experience and therefore they can't compete against these mercenary teams. On top of that, the ICC has reduced funding to teams like Nepal and Kenya during the last decade. This further reduces the ability of these countries to give proper training to their players. The GCC nations on the other hand are having unlimited access to funds and they have the best cricket infrastructure in the world.

Assume how these mercenary players from India and Pakistan are reaching Oman and United Arab Emirates, do you think that their cricket board is coming to India and Pakistan to recruit these players or do you think that these players are moving to these countries looking for new opportunities and go for selection process and if they have the talent they will be picked. I doubt they will be sending scouts rather these players are moving to their country to play the game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2022, 09:18:31 PM

Teams like Oman and the United Arab Emirates are full of former first class players from India and Pakistan. The native players from PNG and Nepal doesn't have that experience and therefore they can't compete against these mercenary teams. On top of that, the ICC has reduced funding to teams like Nepal and Kenya during the last decade. This further reduces the ability of these countries to give proper training to their players. The GCC nations on the other hand are having unlimited access to funds and they have the best cricket infrastructure in the world.

Now you must got your answer of why there is cricket world cup having only 10 teams. With such policies new countries can't develop infrastructure to produce quality players and team. GCC is known to be gambling hub and icc must be getting its fair share that's why they have given so much relaxation to GCC.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 16, 2022, 11:49:13 AM

I don't understand why icc is crazy to include GCC into cricket despite knowing the fact that there is zero interest of cricket in native citizens. Now in current match between PNG and Oman, Oman is dominating as PNG need 130 runs in 13 overs with only 4 wikcets in hands. PNG has 100% locals but still at bottom of table.

Teams like Oman and the United Arab Emirates are full of former first class players from India and Pakistan. The native players from PNG and Nepal doesn't have that experience and therefore they can't compete against these mercenary teams. On top of that, the ICC has reduced funding to teams like Nepal and Kenya during the last decade. This further reduces the ability of these countries to give proper training to their players. The GCC nations on the other hand are having unlimited access to funds and they have the best cricket infrastructure in the world.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2022, 09:31:15 AM

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Currently an ODI match between Papua New Guinea and Oman is ongoing, as a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2. If you check the points table, you will see the irony. Teams with native players, such as Nepal and PNG are languishing at the bottom of the table. On the other hand, United Arab Emirates and Oman are in the top-3. And both these teams doesn't have a single citizen representing them. It is a sham and the specialty here is that this sham is approved by the ICC. Don't you think that these countries should have at least one citizen in their playing XI?

I don't understand why icc is crazy to include GCC into cricket despite knowing the fact that there is zero interest of cricket in native citizens. Now in current match between PNG and Oman, Oman is dominating as PNG need 130 runs in 13 overs with only 4 wikcets in hands. PNG has 100% locals but still at bottom of table.

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Quote from: coinism on April 16, 2022, 06:37:00 AM

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Actually, the thing is cricket is not appreciated all over the world as much as football. And that is a big reason why ICC is getting away with a lot of things that they shouldn't be getting away with.

We have only a few teams playing cricket regularly and even in the cricket world cup I think only 12 to 14 teams play at maximum. And if only 12 teams are playing tournaments, then only 12 teams cannot be called the World Cup. Cricket should have been a lot more widespread throughout the years but ICC failed to accomplish that task.

In cricket world cup only 4 to 5 teams are strong enough to compete for title rest are at level of associate teams. There is no comparison for fifa and icc, as fifa has done enough efforts for recognition of football at international level and reverse is true for icc.

What to say?

Currently an ODI match between Papua New Guinea and Oman is ongoing, as a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2. If you check the points table, you will see the irony. Teams with native players, such as Nepal and PNG are languishing at the bottom of the table. On the other hand, United Arab Emirates and Oman are in the top-3. And both these teams doesn't have a single citizen representing them. It is a sham and the specialty here is that this sham is approved by the ICC. Don't you think that these countries should have at least one citizen in their playing XI?

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 14, 2022, 06:58:51 PM

Actually, the thing is cricket is not appreciated all over the world as much as football. And that is a big reason why ICC is getting away with a lot of things that they shouldn't be getting away with.

We have only a few teams playing cricket regularly and even in the cricket world cup I think only 12 to 14 teams play at maximum. And if only 12 teams are playing tournaments, then only 12 teams cannot be called the World Cup. Cricket should have been a lot more widespread throughout the years but ICC failed to accomplish that task.

In cricket world cup only 4 to 5 teams are strong enough to compete for title rest are at level of associate teams. There is no comparison for fifa and icc, as fifa has done enough efforts for recognition of football at international level and reverse is true for icc.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2022, 09:04:12 PM

We are having the ODI world cup next year, and only 10 teams are taking part in it. So you are right. These 8-team (women's world cup) and 10-team competitions can't be termed as "World" cups. And I don't agree with a previous comment that the fans don't prefer smaller teams in the world cup. When the decision was taken to limit the number of participants to just 10, there was a lot of criticism in the social media, by the fans. But then the ICC hardly ever listen to anyone else, and they just ignored those protests.

I think icc should make a law that every continent has representation in WC like we have in fifa WC. You are right ten countries tournament can't be named as world cup. You have to admit that cricket is not a global game but game popular in South Asia and few other countries.

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