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Quote from: Haunebu on January 31, 2022, 01:28:33 PM

Quote from: Iranus on January 31, 2022, 10:50:42 AM

Ow, If we talk about money I don't think that we need to remind everyone how Ravichandran Ashwin was throwing the ball for a long time and ICC didn't do shit about it. Does anyone remember how much money India had at that time in ICC funds?
Yeah, now you know why a lot of decisions which were 50-50 went in India's favor. And India knows that very well too, they just don't want to talk about it.

What are you going on about? Are you talking about Ashwin's mankading incidents or something? Whatever the case, you are just speculating without any sort of evidence due to which your speculations are baseless.

Also, BCCI is a corrupt organization and they do influence the ICC in a major way(Positive and Negative), but it's also true that they are the primary providers of entertainment in the world of Cricket.

Ow wait, Ashwin didn't get when he was kept away from cricket for 6 months. At that time he corrected his bowling action. But ICC did not ban him for chucking. That was wrong on my part.

But we can say that he was kept out from cricket for six months and before that he was really chucking and bowling those leg spins. But that was never proved. Just like anything wrong India does never gets proved. And I think a lot of people or should I say a majority of people are going to agree that we don't want false entertainment which is presented saying it's true.

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Sorry to say, I had been misinformed, It's my bad. Ashwin didn't actually get banned from ICC but he was rather kept away from cricket for 6 months. And it was said that this was done because he might have got banned from the ICC because of his actions. That was the time when a lot of popular and great Pakistani spinners were getting banned for their actions.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 01, 2022, 01:30:15 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2022, 09:17:01 PM

It is ridiculous to post such baseless allegations. No one has accused Ashwin of chucking so far in his one and half decades of career, and I am not sure from where the OP got this idea. Ashwin has played in almost all the SENA nations, and I have never heard about anyone there complaining about his bowling action. And nowadays with technological advancement such as superslow video recording, it is almost impossible to get away with chucking. And the ICC has also formulated very strict laws against it.

ICC strict laws? Hahaha, you made my day lady. These laws are for players from small boards. Nobody can dare to check Indian player for chucking. Have you ever heard any major Aus ,Indian or English player reported for chucking - NO. Very recently Pakistani bowler who was performing too good in BBL was reported, clearly they don't like a brown bowler doing good.

That is not correct there have been instances in the past where players from the big 3 have been reported or have been called in the match for chucking. Before you point your fingers to these countries please do check this list in this article - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_cricketers_called_for_throwing

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 31, 2022, 09:17:01 PM

It is ridiculous to post such baseless allegations. No one has accused Ashwin of chucking so far in his one and half decades of career, and I am not sure from where the OP got this idea. Ashwin has played in almost all the SENA nations, and I have never heard about anyone there complaining about his bowling action. And nowadays with technological advancement such as superslow video recording, it is almost impossible to get away with chucking. And the ICC has also formulated very strict laws against it.

ICC strict laws? Hahaha, you made my day lady. These laws are for players from small boards. Nobody can dare to check Indian player for chucking. Have you ever heard any major Aus ,Indian or English player reported for chucking - NO. Very recently Pakistani bowler who was performing too good in BBL was reported, clearly they don't like a brown bowler doing good.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 31, 2022, 04:53:48 PM

Chucking controversy with Ashwin? It would be better if you back your statement with reports, articles etc. I have personally never seen any so far and i don't think Ashwin has any fixed action when bowling, seen him changing his action multiple times in the same over.

It is ridiculous to post such baseless allegations. No one has accused Ashwin of chucking so far in his one and half decades of career, and I am not sure from where the OP got this idea. Ashwin has played in almost all the SENA nations, and I have never heard about anyone there complaining about his bowling action. And nowadays with technological advancement such as superslow video recording, it is almost impossible to get away with chucking. And the ICC has also formulated very strict laws against it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 31, 2022, 04:53:48 PM

Quote from: Iranus on January 31, 2022, 10:50:42 AM

Ow, If we talk about money I don't think that we need to remind everyone how Ravichandran Ashwin was throwing the ball for a long time and ICC didn't do shit about it. Does anyone remember how much money India had at that time in ICC funds?

Chucking controversy with Ashwin? It would be better if you back your statement with reports, articles etc. I have personally never seen any so far and i don't think Ashwin has any fixed action when bowling, seen him changing his action multiple times in the same over.

This is the first time i am hearing about anyone complaining about the bowling action of Ravichandran Ashwin Cheesy

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There is no way BCCI will spent a dime saving a player and their career if they are having illegal bowling action. From where these misinformation are spreading Cheesy

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on January 30, 2022, 05:59:08 AM

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Quote from: galambo on January 29, 2022, 02:43:22 PM

If richness can buy talent then Indian team wouldn't be in such situation like they are right now. The problem with Bangladesh is something else they don't have adequate talent in the country. They are playing as test country for over 20 years and they haven't won even 20 test in these 20 years. I would say team like Afghanistan and Ireland better deserve to get test status.

Bangladesh has consistently underperformed, ever since they were granted test status. If you look at the population, Bangladesh is at the same level with Pakistan, and having a higher number when compared to Sri Lanka or Afghanistan. So why they are not performing up to the mark? One of the issues IMO is the domestic setup. Most of the cricketing infrastructure is still concentrated in and around Dhaka. And their overdependence on the spinners create issues when they play their matches in SENA nations.

Bangladesh's main problem is their cricket board. They have a lot of money, but they are not doing any infrastructure development for cricket. Bangladesh is probably the fourth richest cricket board. However, they have a very few international standard stadiums. At the same time, their domestic leagues are very low quality and corrupt. There is a lot of fixing in the domestic league which everyone knows now. Basically, these are the reasons why many talented players are losing. New talented players are not being created.

Match fixing has turned to be very common with the Bangladesh players. As said the fixing still continues with the domestic leagues, which has decreased with the international players after few players were caught. This truly affects the cricketing and while these countries try for the same game pattern of IPL, something different with different participation rules could make it popular. Because, IPL have already taken its place and gained the popularity. Maybe for the purpose of corruption they keep prioritising it.

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Quote from: Iranus on January 31, 2022, 10:50:42 AM

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But the criticism must be constructive, not abusive Wink

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Exactly, unfortunately majority of the fans lack this behaviour or unintentionally follow the latter route, may be because being abusive is fashionable in interweb. Having said that, few poster-fans seems to be in denial mode for some weird reasons.

Quote from: Iranus on January 31, 2022, 10:50:42 AM

Ow, If we talk about money I don't think that we need to remind everyone how Ravichandran Ashwin was throwing the ball for a long time and ICC didn't do shit about it. Does anyone remember how much money India had at that time in ICC funds?

Chucking controversy with Ashwin? It would be better if you back your statement with reports, articles etc. I have personally never seen any so far and i don't think Ashwin has any fixed action when bowling, seen him changing his action multiple times in the same over.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 31, 2022, 01:28:33 PM

What are you going on about? Are you talking about Ashwin's mankading incidents or something? Whatever the case, you are just speculating without any sort of evidence due to which your speculations are baseless.

Also, BCCI is a corrupt organization and they do influence the ICC in a major way(Positive and Negative), but it's also true that they are the primary providers of entertainment in the world of Cricket.

Without any doubt BCCI is the most corrupt organization in sports world, and they have some good influence in ICC just because of this now it's also really crap organization no dignity and no fair policy for all countries they are doing things just for their own pockets, and surely we will have some big negative points as well in near future. Few peoples still believe ICC can't survive without BCCI which is completely wrong because they can survive and have some good and fair system, but sadly greediness is having his own impact and few boards officials using this all for their own sack which is big point for strong influence of BCCI on ICC and their crap policies.

We have many cases against Indian players those need some good intention but ICC never done any action, and they have punishments for other weak board players in same cases.

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Quote from: Iranus on January 31, 2022, 10:50:42 AM

Ow, If we talk about money I don't think that we need to remind everyone how Ravichandran Ashwin was throwing the ball for a long time and ICC didn't do shit about it. Does anyone remember how much money India had at that time in ICC funds?

Yeah, now you know why a lot of decisions which were 50-50 went in India's favor. And India knows that very well too, they just don't want to talk about it.

What are you going on about? Are you talking about Ashwin's mankading incidents or something? Whatever the case, you are just speculating without any sort of evidence due to which your speculations are baseless.

Also, BCCI is a corrupt organization and they do influence the ICC in a major way(Positive and Negative), but it's also true that they are the primary providers of entertainment in the world of Cricket.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 30, 2022, 02:14:03 PM

If the political situation is stable then Afghanistan will produce great talents if not these players will move to other countries to earn their living, i have played with and against many players from Afghanistan in the UAE playing for clubs and some of the players i came across have the potential to play for the national side.

The pitch is really slow for batting and the bowlers will determine the champions or a special batsman who could tackle the pitch.

As far as cricket is concerned, if you have talent then it doesn't matter whether your upper tier moves to some other country or not. The talent is there to fill the gap. Many of Afghanistan players like Nabi used to play in club cricket in Pakistan before migrating back to there native town. Good news is that new regime is supporting the afghan cricket team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 30, 2022, 06:23:19 AM

Quote from: galambo on January 29, 2022, 02:43:22 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 29, 2022, 11:45:55 AM

I wasn't expecting anything different. Bangladesh is still a level below other test playing nations, be it among the senior level, or at the U19 level. Bangladeshi players are mostly sourced from college and school teams and most of them have no experience of playing outside that country. On the other hand, Indian players are taken care by the richest cricket board in the world and many of them already have IPL or state level contracts. Players like Rajvardhan Hangargekar have already represented the state team in Vijay Hazare Trophy.

If richness can buy talent then Indian team wouldn't be in such situation like they are right now. The problem with Bangladesh is something else they don't have adequate talent in the country. They are playing as test country for over 20 years and they haven't won even 20 test in these 20 years. I would say team like Afghanistan and Ireland better deserve to get test status.

What situation you're talking about?
Only because they lost series in SA? I think fans should cut some slacks to their team sometimes. Lots of chatters going around Indian team in recent time is not because they are bad team but they have set their standard high as Vintage windies or Steve Waugh's Aus.
They were number 1 test ranking side since 2016-17, they slipped into 2nd position (2 times) for only 9-10 months in last 5-6 years (4 Test Mace back to back). Yes they didn't win any ICC trophy but it doesn't prove anything IMO, considering their winning ratio is at all time high (home-away) in history of Indian cricket.

Listen fans are always going to expect better because they are not some schoolyard wannabe team, they are the Indian cricket team and the only reason why they get paid so well is because they are expected to do better. But the criticism must be constructive, not abusive Wink

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 30, 2022, 11:52:02 AM

Well said. Anyone with a half-decent brain knows the fact that money does actually help buy talent around the world in any type of sport since it's a huge motivator.
For example, successful leagues like the IPL helped discover so many talented players over the years in various teams(Not just India). Money is one of the primary reasons why India has, will and shall always be a dominant team across all formats of Cricket.

Ow, If we talk about money I don't think that we need to remind everyone how Ravichandran Ashwin was throwing the ball for a long time and ICC didn't do shit about it. Does anyone remember how much money India had at that time in ICC funds?

Yeah, now you know why a lot of decisions which were 50-50 went in India's favor. And India knows that very well too, they just don't want to talk about it.

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Quote from: jostorres on January 31, 2022, 01:33:37 AM

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Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 12:45:01 PM

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It was not only there national squad that is too good in playing cricket, the U19 team reaching semi final clearly indicates that Afghanistan has talent that can take cricket in Afghanistan to further heights. I am interested in seeing Afghanistan winning this U19 WC as this will be good for cricket as we have one more permanent member joining in.

If the political situation is stable then Afghanistan will produce great talents if not these players will move to other countries to earn their living, i have played with and against many players from Afghanistan in the UAE playing for clubs and some of the players i came across have the potential to play for the national side.

The pitch is really slow for batting and the bowlers will determine the champions or a special batsman who could tackle the pitch.

This is good point because currently situation is not good in Afghanistan, and they are completely under some disaster which can start again some civil war or other things which are not favourable for them and many other countries with this they have good talent many players can move like we have in the UAE, Oman, Kuwait and Saudi Arab from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka this is good option for them as well which will help them, and they will be able to give their good performance for their adopted country because in next few years they are spending some good money but still they have no better local talent because Gulf Countries youths are not having good interest in cricket they are doing other things which they feel better for them, so these Afghans can move and have their better options.

Moving might be an option but if Afghanistan wants to prosper as a cricketing Nation I suggest that they should not do this type of thing and the reason is they have a lot of talent.
Maybe they can find some more talents through some type of talent Hunt.

But as you guys said the problem is the political situation in Afghanistan. You can remember the time when Afghanistan was dependent on only Mohammad nabi's money. So, the situation is really hard for Afghanistan cricket. Everyone is unsure of their future.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 30, 2022, 02:14:03 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 12:45:01 PM

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It was not only there national squad that is too good in playing cricket, the U19 team reaching semi final clearly indicates that Afghanistan has talent that can take cricket in Afghanistan to further heights. I am interested in seeing Afghanistan winning this U19 WC as this will be good for cricket as we have one more permanent member joining in.

If the political situation is stable then Afghanistan will produce great talents if not these players will move to other countries to earn their living, i have played with and against many players from Afghanistan in the UAE playing for clubs and some of the players i came across have the potential to play for the national side.

The pitch is really slow for batting and the bowlers will determine the champions or a special batsman who could tackle the pitch.

This is good point because currently situation is not good in Afghanistan, and they are completely under some disaster which can start again some civil war or other things which are not favourable for them and many other countries with this they have good talent many players can move like we have in the UAE, Oman, Kuwait and Saudi Arab from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka this is good option for them as well which will help them, and they will be able to give their good performance for their adopted country because in next few years they are spending some good money but still they have no better local talent because Gulf Countries youths are not having good interest in cricket they are doing other things which they feel better for them, so these Afghans can move and have their better options.

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Quote from: romero121 on January 30, 2022, 06:50:36 PM

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It is true. Even if the political situation isn't good, somehow the government can arrange for good coaching out of the country. More talents are hidden and many fear of being into any sports activities. Within such a short time period getting into the semi final is really a big achievement. Because there were more old teams that are part of the tournament.

From what i understand Afghanistan does have a new government who came into power after throwing out the ruling government and if they have the mentality to provide coaching and safety to the players outside their country then they can very well giver the security inside the country as they are the right wing extremist group creating all the havoc in Afghanistan Cheesy

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 30, 2022, 02:14:03 PM

Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 12:45:01 PM

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It was not only there national squad that is too good in playing cricket, the U19 team reaching semi final clearly indicates that Afghanistan has talent that can take cricket in Afghanistan to further heights. I am interested in seeing Afghanistan winning this U19 WC as this will be good for cricket as we have one more permanent member joining in.

If the political situation is stable then Afghanistan will produce great talents if not these players will move to other countries to earn their living, i have played with and against many players from Afghanistan in the UAE playing for clubs and some of the players i came across have the potential to play for the national side.

It is true. Even if the political situation isn't good, somehow the government can arrange for good coaching out of the country. More talents are hidden and many fear of being into any sports activities. Within such a short time period getting into the semi final is really a big achievement. Because there were more old teams that are part of the tournament.

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Quote from: galambo on January 30, 2022, 12:45:01 PM

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It was not only there national squad that is too good in playing cricket, the U19 team reaching semi final clearly indicates that Afghanistan has talent that can take cricket in Afghanistan to further heights. I am interested in seeing Afghanistan winning this U19 WC as this will be good for cricket as we have one more permanent member joining in.

If the political situation is stable then Afghanistan will produce great talents if not these players will move to other countries to earn their living, i have played with and against many players from Afghanistan in the UAE playing for clubs and some of the players i came across have the potential to play for the national side.

The pitch is really slow for batting and the bowlers will determine the champions or a special batsman who could tackle the pitch.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on January 30, 2022, 10:55:12 AM

So we now have 3 teams from Big 3 (England, Australia and England) and Afghanistan team in the semi finals. All Eyes will now be on Afghanistan, as they could make history by winning the first Under 19 world cup. If Bangladesh can do it last time, why cant they be the winner this time.

It was not only there national squad that is too good in playing cricket, the U19 team reaching semi final clearly indicates that Afghanistan has talent that can take cricket in Afghanistan to further heights. I am interested in seeing Afghanistan winning this U19 WC as this will be good for cricket as we have one more permanent member joining in.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 30, 2022, 06:23:19 AM

What situation you're talking about?

Only because they lost series in SA? I think fans should cut some slacks to their team sometimes. Lots of chatters going around Indian team in recent time is not because they are bad team but they have set their standard high as Vintage windies or Steve Waugh's Aus.

Well said. Anyone with a half-decent brain knows the fact that money does actually help buy talent around the world in any type of sport since it's a huge motivator.

For example, successful leagues like the IPL helped discover so many talented players over the years in various teams(Not just India). Money is one of the primary reasons why India has, will and shall always be a dominant team across all formats of Cricket.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on January 30, 2022, 12:03:41 AM

It seems like the Bangladesh A team and the U-19 team both have issues in batting line-up. The bowlers did a decent job as only a few Indian batters were able to score good. After this match I am expecting Indian batsmen to start playing better than what they did with Bangladesh.

The Indian U-19 team has now reached seven straight quarterfinals in the U-19 World Cup! Even though Bangladesh made them work, it would have been more fun if they had opted to bowl first in the morning. The Bangladeshi bowlers constantly made them work hard to score runs. India, however, made it to the semis, but it will be a tough battle this time.

So we now have 3 teams from Big 3 (England, Australia and England) and Afghanistan team in the semi finals. All Eyes will now be on Afghanistan, as they could make history by winning the first Under 19 world cup. If Bangladesh can do it last time, why cant they be the winner this time.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on January 30, 2022, 05:59:08 AM

Bangladesh's main problem is their cricket board. They have a lot of money, but they are not doing any infrastructure development for cricket. Bangladesh is probably the fourth richest cricket board. However, they have a very few international standard stadiums. At the same time, their domestic leagues are very low quality and corrupt. There is a lot of fixing in the domestic league which everyone knows now. Basically, these are the reasons why many talented players are losing. New talented players are not being created.

Wherever there is corruption in the cricket board, the talent is negatively impacted. We have many examples, such as the case with Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, West Indies and South Africa in addition to Bangladesh. I am not sure whether they are the 4th richest board (that may not be true probably, as India, Australia, England, Pakistan and New Zealand are definitely richer when compared to the BCB). The funds are either getting stolen or misused. I am witnessing no improvement in the quality of domestic cricket in Bangladesh.

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