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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 06, 2022, 09:39:13 PM

It's not just the Indian team. I have heard about similar incidents and issues from all the other Asian teams, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. BTW, I don't think that Rohit is suitable to lead the team for the long term. He will be 35 years soon and may remain in international scene for another one or two years. I would say that either Rishabh Pant or Shreyas Iyer should be made the captain at least in one of the formats, so that they could replace Rohit in a couple of years from now.

India is biggest board so don't compare it with countries like Pak, BAN, SL and Afghan. There must be tight control of board on players like we have in England and Australia. Rohit is just made captain, let him try something before we start saying that he is not suitable for captaincy. He can play for 2 to 3 years from here on.

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Quote from: virasog on January 06, 2022, 02:47:51 PM

I feel there is a lot of politics being developed inside the indian cricket board and it may not be good for the team. Indian team is one of the best teams in these days but usually its the battle between the boards and players which have bad effects on the overall performance of the team.
They should select one captain and stick to it, Rohit is the ideal choice for now.

It's not just the Indian team. I have heard about similar incidents and issues from all the other Asian teams, including Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. BTW, I don't think that Rohit is suitable to lead the team for the long term. He will be 35 years soon and may remain in international scene for another one or two years. I would say that either Rishabh Pant or Shreyas Iyer should be made the captain at least in one of the formats, so that they could replace Rohit in a couple of years from now.

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Quote from: doomloop on January 06, 2022, 02:40:07 PM

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I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

Dohni case was different as he didn't speak anything against his board while Kohli has spoken against his board. I am doubtful that he may lose his spot in team after this conflict. For now it seems like India have only one choice of Captain aka Rohit and he still has few years left to play which is a positive sign for Team India.

Dhoni and Kohli both are completely stories and have different minds right now after all criticism I am still feeling Kohli is safe even no one sure what is going to happen in next hour BCCI authorities will never take any serious action against him and try to solve this all politely because it is need of time and BCCI both but in case Kohli going to talk more than most chances his career will be doomed and then selectors have some good choices with having some good experience in domestic and IPL like KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer both are capable of holding things in better way now with strong system they can bring changes very frequently for better and bright future of Indian cricket.

I feel there is a lot of politics being developed inside the indian cricket board and it may not be good for the team. Indian team is one of the best teams in these days but usually its the battle between the boards and players which have bad effects on the overall performance of the team.
They should select one captain and stick to it, Rohit is the ideal choice for now.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 06, 2022, 12:22:44 AM

I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

Dohni case was different as he didn't speak anything against his board while Kohli has spoken against his board. I am doubtful that he may lose his spot in team after this conflict. For now it seems like India have only one choice of Captain aka Rohit and he still has few years left to play which is a positive sign for Team India.

Dhoni and Kohli both are completely stories and have different minds right now after all criticism I am still feeling Kohli is safe even no one sure what is going to happen in next hour BCCI authorities will never take any serious action against him and try to solve this all politely because it is need of time and BCCI both but in case Kohli going to talk more than most chances his career will be doomed and then selectors have some good choices with having some good experience in domestic and IPL like KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer both are capable of holding things in better way now with strong system they can bring changes very frequently for better and bright future of Indian cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

Special treatment for Hanuma Vihari? This article sounds like Mumbai lobby usual rant when some Mumbaikar player doesn't get any chance lol

Following his career for sometime and in my reading it looks like management using him as a rubber, use and throw strategy most of the time. In the past when things got hard for the team Vihari opened the inning and majority of time poor guy bat with the tail in tough condition (Like yesterday) but when it comes to leaving out someone he's the first choice for everyone and hardly get any chance when playing at home, btw If form is the main criteria then why persisting with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane? Okay, Kohli is captain but what about other 2.

@Sithara007, I'm not sure what to say about this decision. If what you are saying is true, Vihari is getting special treatment for whatever reason, this is not good. This is not good for both the deserving player and the future of Indian Cricket.
Because as this type of approach keeps on continuing, it will become a trend and there will be a time when well-deserving players will get lost. So this trend needs to be cut off at the very root and primary level.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 06, 2022, 12:22:44 AM

I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

Dohni case was different as he didn't speak anything against his board while Kohli has spoken against his board. I am doubtful that he may lose his spot in team after this conflict. For now it seems like India have only one choice of Captain aka Rohit and he still has few years left to play which is a positive sign for Team India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 06, 2022, 12:10:01 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

Special treatment for Hanuma Vihari? This article sounds like Mumbai lobby usual rant when some Mumbaikar player doesn't get any chance lol

Following his career for sometime and in my reading it looks like management using him as a rubber, use and throw strategy most of the time. In the past when things got hard for the team Vihari opened the inning and majority of time poor guy bat with the tail in tough condition (Like yesterday) but when it comes to leaving out someone he's the first choice for everyone and hardly get any chance when playing at home, btw If form is the main criteria then why persisting with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane? Okay, Kohli is captain but what about other 2.

I wonder why only a few people the questioned inclusion of vijay shankar, pant in World cup with 20 odd match of experience. Now here forget IPL but international level 10 matches have been captained by Rohit with good results and so we look forward that he will get us trophy as a captain. Kohli became ODI captain just in 2017 though we have drought of Cup from 2013 Dhoni also lost one WC as a captain.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 05, 2022, 09:35:37 PM

While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

Special treatment for Hanuma Vihari? This article sounds like Mumbai lobby usual rant when some Mumbaikar player doesn't get any chance lol

Following his career for sometime and in my reading it looks like management using him as a rubber, use and throw strategy most of the time. In the past when things got hard for the team Vihari opened the inning and majority of time poor guy bat with the tail in tough condition (Like yesterday) but when it comes to leaving out someone he's the first choice for everyone and hardly get any chance when playing at home, btw If form is the main criteria then why persisting with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane? Okay, Kohli is captain but what about other 2.

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While a lot of us have been focusing on the exclusion of Virat Kohli and the ongoing spat between him and Sourav Ganguly, another controversy is being played out in the margins. Hanuma Vihari was picked ahead of Shreyas Iyer, despite the latter being in good form. And this is not the first time that the selectors have given special treatment for Vihari. In a team where most of the batsmen averages around 50, Vihari has been able to get regular outings despite his test average being just 32 (I think only Temba Bavuma has a similar test batting average among all the regular batsmen).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ind-vs-sa-why-hanuma-vihari-replaced-virat-kohli-ahead-of-shreyas-iyer-for-johannesburg-test-101641215577645.html

The official justification is that Shreyas is unfit, which doesn't sound very believable for me.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on January 05, 2022, 09:14:00 AM

India is a team who have a lot of quality players not being able to play just because there are too many quality players for the squad.

If what you said comes out true and Virat is not playing to show his displeasure, that will be a huge loss for him. As India surely has a batter to replace him and once you get out of the Indian squad, it's quite hard to make a return.

And with the form Virat is in right now, I don't think what he's thinking is the right decision. He might be the sole reason for his own downfall and no one can do anything about it.

Right now, India is full of quality and skilled players, so now it's time for Kohli to came down on earth and do his work for staying into time for some more years because I check many cases discipline is most important for any team and country instead of player and his records. So, if he is doing anything selfishly then management need to take some stick action against him as this will be good for many others in pipeline for having better and powerful role in future.

I never have any doubt about his commitment for country and skills in this game, but now it's time for having change his mind and play like a legendary player instead of doing foul plays against any other even he is doing something wrong he needs to be good.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 05, 2022, 08:51:45 AM

You are right. Now that he is no longer the captain in any format, the board can easily replace him if he underperforms. He had the immunity of being auto-picked as he was the captain, and also he was given freedom outside the field as well but now I think he should be treated the same just like any other player.

If he does something out of the line, he should be punished accordingly. I'm not sure about whether he actually refused to play or not, maybe we need some days to actually figure out what the actual matter is.

To maintain discipline in the team boards have to take tough decisions no matter who is the player. Indians are crazy for cricket and there will be lots of replacement for virat Kohli. He need to be very careful in curretn situation as he has lost captaincy, he must not lose his position in the squad.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 04, 2022, 09:14:33 PM

A lot of rumors are circulating about Virat's absence in playing XI for the second test. Some say that he refused to play to show his displeasure against Ganguly and the BCCI. If there is any truth in this, then he is digging his own grave. No one is indispensable in the Indian team and a lot of talented youngsters are waiting for their chances. If someone like Venkatesh Iyer comes in the place of Kohli and performs well, then it will be extremely difficult for him to get back in to the squad. His fans are going to make a lot of noise for a few days, but in due course that will die down.

India is a team who have a lot of quality players not being able to play just because there are too many quality players for the squad.

If what you said comes out true and Virat is not playing to show his displeasure, that will be a huge loss for him. As India surely has a batter to replace him and once you get out of the Indian squad, it's quite hard to make a return.

And with the form Virat is in right now, I don't think what he's thinking is the right decision. He might be the sole reason for his own downfall and no one can do anything about it.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 04, 2022, 10:53:21 PM

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A lot of rumors are circulating about Virat's absence in playing XI for the second test. Some say that he refused to play to show his displeasure against Ganguly and the BCCI. If there is any truth in this, then he is digging his own grave. No one is indispensable in the Indian team and a lot of talented youngsters are waiting for their chances. If someone like Venkatesh Iyer comes in the place of Kohli and performs well, then it will be extremely difficult for him to get back in to the squad. His fans are going to make a lot of noise for a few days, but in due course that will die down.

@Swordsoffreedom no he won’t be punished for actions or words said in the past, but now he’ll no longer enjoy the immunity that was given to him and if he doesn’t perform he won’t be given many chances by BCCI and they’ll happily replace him.

@Sithara007 was Kohli angry about the captaincy drama yes, but would he refuse to play when India is on the cusp of an historic win no, hence I don’t believe even for a second that he refused to play.

You are right. Now that he is no longer the captain in any format, the board can easily replace him if he underperforms. He had the immunity of being auto-picked as he was the captain, and also he was given freedom outside the field as well but now I think he should be treated the same just like any other player.

If he does something out of the line, he should be punished accordingly. I'm not sure about whether he actually refused to play or not, maybe we need some days to actually figure out what the actual matter is.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 04, 2022, 10:53:21 PM

@Swordsoffreedom no he won’t be punished for actions or words said in the past, but now he’ll no longer enjoy the immunity that was given to him and if he doesn’t perform he won’t be given many chances by BCCI and they’ll happily replace him.

@Sithara007 was Kohli angry about the captaincy drama yes, but would he refuse to play when India is on the cusp of an historic win no, hence I don’t believe even for a second that he refused to play.

India have played 5 Tests at Wanderers Stadium, 2 win and 3 draw. They are in a position to win current test also without Kohli. The rivalry b/w Kohli and BCCI will get tense with time and it will be Kohli who will lose the majority of his stake. There is lot of talent in India and BCCI will happily replace him with some new suitable talent who has no record of bulling the BCCI.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 04, 2022, 09:14:33 PM

A lot of rumors are circulating about Virat's absence in playing XI for the second test. Some say that he refused to play to show his displeasure against Ganguly and the BCCI. If there is any truth in this, then he is digging his own grave. No one is indispensable in the Indian team and a lot of talented youngsters are waiting for their chances. If someone like Venkatesh Iyer comes in the place of Kohli and performs well, then it will be extremely difficult for him to get back in to the squad. His fans are going to make a lot of noise for a few days, but in due course that will die down.

This principle is true in every cricketing environment. Its board that introduces a player to world and player must remain obedient to the board. How many domestics players have spoken against there boards? None, since they don't wanna lose there chance of making it to national team. Venkatesh Iyer, has scored 36 runns in 3 innings with one wicket but he can replace Kohli if BCCI members agree on it.

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In my opinion, a player or captain having an aggressive approach is okay but there is always a line and it should never be crossed.

As you said, Ganguly never crossed that line but Virat did so. Now that he has been removed from the captaincy role, I think that necessary actions can be taken against him for past actions or anything he does in the future. Once again, aggression sometimes helps on the ground but a player should never break the protocol or do such stuff that might humiliate another staff or person.

A lot of rumors are circulating about Virat's absence in playing XI for the second test. Some say that he refused to play to show his displeasure against Ganguly and the BCCI. If there is any truth in this, then he is digging his own grave. No one is indispensable in the Indian team and a lot of talented youngsters are waiting for their chances. If someone like Venkatesh Iyer comes in the place of Kohli and performs well, then it will be extremely difficult for him to get back in to the squad. His fans are going to make a lot of noise for a few days, but in due course that will die down.

@Swordsoffreedom no he won’t be punished for actions or words said in the past, but now he’ll no longer enjoy the immunity that was given to him and if he doesn’t perform he won’t be given many chances by BCCI and they’ll happily replace him.

@Sithara007 was Kohli angry about the captaincy drama yes, but would he refuse to play when India is on the cusp of an historic win no, hence I don’t believe even for a second that he refused to play.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 04, 2022, 11:58:46 AM

In my opinion, a player or captain having an aggressive approach is okay but there is always a line and it should never be crossed.

As you said, Ganguly never crossed that line but Virat did so. Now that he has been removed from the captaincy role, I think that necessary actions can be taken against him for past actions or anything he does in the future. Once again, aggression sometimes helps on the ground but a player should never break the protocol or do such stuff that might humiliate another staff or person.

A lot of rumors are circulating about Virat's absence in playing XI for the second test. Some say that he refused to play to show his displeasure against Ganguly and the BCCI. If there is any truth in this, then he is digging his own grave. No one is indispensable in the Indian team and a lot of talented youngsters are waiting for their chances. If someone like Venkatesh Iyer comes in the place of Kohli and performs well, then it will be extremely difficult for him to get back in to the squad. His fans are going to make a lot of noise for a few days, but in due course that will die down.

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Quote from: galambo on January 03, 2022, 12:27:20 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 03, 2022, 05:51:47 AM

Kohli is waiting for his 71st century, 2 years and counting Roll Eyes

Don't know why they included Bumrah, he could use some rest. The way he's performing in Tests, he's national treasure, in fact he should be covered in wool by the BCCI and may be give him $1-2 million worth of extra contract so that he can play only in tests and WC, no need to waste his energy on bilateral limited cricket.

Are you serious? Man Jasprit Jasbirsingh Bumrah is just 28 years old and has played only 25 Tests so far. first he has long way to prove he is a national treasurer or not. Secondly, there is no need for such young player to be preserve for specific format. let him play till his 35 then we can think about that.

You failed to understand the point here. Since he is a national treasure, its better to play him in the key matches which matter the most. Even though he is in his young age of 28 but in sports injuries can come anytime irrespective of age. It's not that he will be exhausted by continuous play, it's only to save him from unforeseen injuries and use him when India needs him most.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 09:01:06 PM

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I think row between Ganguly and Kohli. They both have played there part and its the Indian cricket who has to suffer because of this conflict. BCCI did wrong by removing there ODI and T20 captain in such manner. Kohli is not performing, its because of this pressure or he is not interested in playing?

During 90s (when I was a kid), I used to be a die-hard fan of Ganguly. At least compared to the other players at that time (Sachin, Dravid.etc), Ganguly was known for his aggressiveness. He even had some issues with the national team coach, when he was the captain. Now Kohli is another player who is well known for his aggressive behavior. But the difference between Ganguly and Kohli is that the former never crossed the line and always maintained the protocol, while the latter blatantly violated it as per his will. IMO, Kohli needs to be blamed for his arrogance and that probably resulted in the ongoing issues with Ganguly and the other officials.

In my opinion, a player or captain having an aggressive approach is okay but there is always a line and it should never be crossed.

As you said, Ganguly never crossed that line but Virat did so. Now that he has been removed from the captaincy role, I think that necessary actions can be taken against him for past actions or anything he does in the future. Once again, aggression sometimes helps on the ground but a player should never break the protocol or do such stuff that might humiliate another staff or person.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 03, 2022, 09:01:06 PM

During 90s (when I was a kid), I used to be a die-hard fan of Ganguly. At least compared to the other players at that time (Sachin, Dravid.etc), Ganguly was known for his aggressiveness. He even had some issues with the national team coach, when he was the captain. Now Kohli is another player who is well known for his aggressive behavior. But the difference between Ganguly and Kohli is that the former never crossed the line and always maintained the protocol, while the latter blatantly violated it as per his will. IMO, Kohli needs to be blamed for his arrogance and that probably resulted in the ongoing issues with Ganguly and the other officials.

Kohli has achieved so much because of BCCI. I heard that "MRF" his sponsor of bat pay him 1 billion Indian rupees annually for putting sticker on his bat (correct me if I am wrong). Don't know what other sponsors pay him. Even if BCCI has removed him from captaincy there was no point in giving such statesmen, as he is still part of the team.

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