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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 26, 2021, 03:11:50 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 26, 2021, 09:03:08 AM

I didn't knew about this match before and just came to know that Pakistan managed to win another big win against the BCCI. I told you that Indians after losing the T20 WC match won't remain the same strong team and you will see a lot of change in top teams ranking in near future.

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, why you think so because it was a under 19 India Pakistan match . So you think that a loss in a T20 match will weaken the Indian team and what do you think about the current tour of South Africa, will they show the same weakness in Test matches or just in T20 and ODI Tongue

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Well, Yes the loss in the world cup T20 match is the start of the downfall for Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI). Hope its is clear now

Well, as you asked the Performance of India of their current tour of South Africa, I think India may win the first test but it will not be a convincing win. Remember South Africa is a weakest team and India should have won by an innings. But as I said, downfall started for them.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 29, 2021, 10:52:49 PM

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Quote from: Theones on December 29, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

Give him some space guys, he was removed in disrespectful manner from ODI and T20 captaincy. He has done so much for Indian cricket and that's how you treat your legend player? Look at his performance ever since, he is not able to score runs anymore in Test. If he is bulling like that he will get more depressed with time.

If he is out of form, then the best possible course of action for him and for the team would be to take a break from test cricket and concentrate on domestic cricket for a few months. I have never heard about this excuse, like saying that a player is depressed and therefore he should be allowed to play in the national team. There are a lot of talented youngsters sitting at the bench, only because the oldies like Kohli would select players only based on their loyalty and not based on their skills and merit.

@Theones what’s done can’t be done and we can’t expect BCCI to apologise to him, or give out a public apology so he’ll have to just move on and play his natural game.

Also Virat is a much better player than Rahane and Pujara who should be removed from the team, and the current Indian team need’s Kohli aggressive behaviour to motivate them, however if he constantly fails with the bat in 2022 then yea I’ll too back the call for him to be removed from the team.

I agree too Rahane and Pujara should be removed and some else should be given a chance. Kohli is only trying to get some positive media attention and nothing else I think. I still would not like him to come back and show his aggressive behaviour on one hand and poor batting on the other. He is still struggling in the current test series and I think this will go on as he is more concentrated in doing what he is not good at than concentrating on his batting.

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Quote from: Theones on December 29, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

Give him some space guys, he was removed in disrespectful manner from ODI and T20 captaincy. He has done so much for Indian cricket and that's how you treat your legend player? Look at his performance ever since, he is not able to score runs anymore in Test. If he is bulling like that he will get more depressed with time.

If he is out of form, then the best possible course of action for him and for the team would be to take a break from test cricket and concentrate on domestic cricket for a few months. I have never heard about this excuse, like saying that a player is depressed and therefore he should be allowed to play in the national team. There are a lot of talented youngsters sitting at the bench, only because the oldies like Kohli would select players only based on their loyalty and not based on their skills and merit.

@Theones what’s done can’t be done and we can’t expect BCCI to apologise to him, or give out a public apology so he’ll have to just move on and play his natural game.

Also Virat is a much better player than Rahane and Pujara who should be removed from the team, and the current Indian team need’s Kohli aggressive behaviour to motivate them, however if he constantly fails with the bat in 2022 then yea I’ll too back the call for him to be removed from the team.

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Quote from: Theones on December 29, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

Give him some space guys, he was removed in disrespectful manner from ODI and T20 captaincy. He has done so much for Indian cricket and that's how you treat your legend player? Look at his performance ever since, he is not able to score runs anymore in Test. If he is bulling like that he will get more depressed with time.

If he is out of form, then the best possible course of action for him and for the team would be to take a break from test cricket and concentrate on domestic cricket for a few months. I have never heard about this excuse, like saying that a player is depressed and therefore he should be allowed to play in the national team. There are a lot of talented youngsters sitting at the bench, only because the oldies like Kohli would select players only based on their loyalty and not based on their skills and merit.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 28, 2021, 06:42:29 PM

Kohli's behaviour has been consistently like this whether he is off the field or in the field. What can you expect from him? He just came out shown the world what happens when your ego takes control over your decision-making capabilities. This was the primary reason why India had not won any major tournament under his captaincy. He is a good batter but it does not mean India cannot find a talent better than him this issue will hit him hard when the time comes.

Give him some space guys, he was removed in disrespectful manner from ODI and T20 captaincy. He has done so much for Indian cricket and that's how you treat your legend player? Look at his performance ever since, he is not able to score runs anymore in Test. If he is bulling like that he will get more depressed with time.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 28, 2021, 06:42:29 PM

Kohli's behaviour has been consistently like this whether he is off the field or in the field. What can you expect from him? He just came out shown the world what happens when your ego takes control over your decision-making capabilities. This was the primary reason why India had not won any major tournament under his captaincy. He is a good batter but it does not mean India cannot find a talent better than him this issue will hit him hard when the time comes.

As long as he was Captain of Indian team in all format, everything was going fine but as soon as he is stripped off from Captaincy he started this behavior. Of course such behavior can only be seen when you are removed from power. BCCI should make sure that no one in there team is indispensable. Kohli is good player but that doesnt mean he cant be replaced.

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Quote from: barbara44 on December 28, 2021, 02:43:03 PM

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Kohli is only removed from captaincy of odi and t20. He is still captain of test team and strong member of squad in all formats. He must not start such things about BCCI since he had lot of cricket left to play. He can perform better as a batsmen if he has no burden of captaincy. Honestly I like him as a player but he do cheap things most of the times.

None of us want Kohli's remarkable career to end badly. Sourav Ganguly, who is now the president of BCCI, also retired from all forms of cricket at an early age due to conflict with the board. Kohli should improve his performance without getting into conflict with the board. His captaincy has not brought good results to India in recent times, now his performance is even worse. If he continues to perform like that, he is going to be dropped from the Indian squad quickly.

Personal ego and conflicts have very bad impact on many legendary sports persons because many times they feel not good about these and done unusual decisions which bring them down with very good career right now same thing happening with Kohli few months back I was never expecting things like this can happen against player like Kohli but sadly suddenly after arrival of Ganguly many things changed for him and now talks about his career on top on all forums of cricket.

Hopefully he will take some wise decision and will not go ahead with his personal ego and try to end this all for the sack of his outstanding career and his country.

Kohli's behaviour has been consistently like this whether he is off the field or in the field. What can you expect from him? He just came out shown the world what happens when your ego takes control over your decision-making capabilities. This was the primary reason why India had not won any major tournament under his captaincy. He is a good batter but it does not mean India cannot find a talent better than him this issue will hit him hard when the time comes.

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Kohli is only removed from captaincy of odi and t20. He is still captain of test team and strong member of squad in all formats. He must not start such things about BCCI since he had lot of cricket left to play. He can perform better as a batsmen if he has no burden of captaincy. Honestly I like him as a player but he do cheap things most of the times.

None of us want Kohli's remarkable career to end badly. Sourav Ganguly, who is now the president of BCCI, also retired from all forms of cricket at an early age due to conflict with the board. Kohli should improve his performance without getting into conflict with the board. His captaincy has not brought good results to India in recent times, now his performance is even worse. If he continues to perform like that, he is going to be dropped from the Indian squad quickly.

Personal ego and conflicts have very bad impact on many legendary sports persons because many times they feel not good about these and done unusual decisions which bring them down with very good career right now same thing happening with Kohli few months back I was never expecting things like this can happen against player like Kohli but sadly suddenly after arrival of Ganguly many things changed for him and now talks about his career on top on all forums of cricket.

Hopefully he will take some wise decision and will not go ahead with his personal ego and try to end this all for the sack of his outstanding career and his country.

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One thing I know about Ganguly is that he is very aggressive, at the same time he never crosses the line. This is not true with Kohli. Rather than showing aggression, he always try to bully his opponents. Sometimes it work out, and sometimes it doesn't. Also, blaming everything on Ganguly is not going to make things easy for Kohli. For the last several weeks I am witnessing uncouth social media posts from supporters of Kohli. He should stay away from such behavior, or his career will get negatively impacted.

Kohli is only removed from captaincy of odi and t20. He is still captain of test team and strong member of squad in all formats. He must not start such things about BCCI since he had lot of cricket left to play. He can perform better as a batsmen if he has no burden of captaincy. Honestly I like him as a player but he do cheap things most of the times.

None of us want Kohli's remarkable career to end badly. Sourav Ganguly, who is now the president of BCCI, also retired from all forms of cricket at an early age due to conflict with the board.

Kohli should improve his performance without getting into conflict with the board. His captaincy has not brought good results to India in recent times, now his performance is even worse. If he continues to perform like that, he is going to be dropped from the Indian squad quickly.

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Quote from: coinism on December 28, 2021, 10:30:44 AM

Kohli is only removed from captaincy of odi and t20. He is still captain of test team and strong member of squad in all formats. He must not start such things about BCCI since he had lot of cricket left to play. He can perform better as a batsmen if he has no burden of captaincy. Honestly I like him as a player but he do cheap things most of the times.

No one has any doubt about Kohli's addition and his place in current cricket but doing things like this is surely can hurt his career because still BCCI is very big brand, and they will not accept any things from any player which create problems for them, and they face humiliation. He is a good player but with his statements and attitude he can lose his respect and place in Indian team I also read few complaints coming against him by his captain era which are not good, but now time is already changed, so he also needs to change mind and now just concentrate on his batting because with this he can achieve some better respect and value in all way.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 27, 2021, 08:57:06 PM

One thing I know about Ganguly is that he is very aggressive, at the same time he never crosses the line. This is not true with Kohli. Rather than showing aggression, he always try to bully his opponents. Sometimes it work out, and sometimes it doesn't. Also, blaming everything on Ganguly is not going to make things easy for Kohli. For the last several weeks I am witnessing uncouth social media posts from supporters of Kohli. He should stay away from such behavior, or his career will get negatively impacted.

Kohli is only removed from captaincy of odi and t20. He is still captain of test team and strong member of squad in all formats. He must not start such things about BCCI since he had lot of cricket left to play. He can perform better as a batsmen if he has no burden of captaincy. Honestly I like him as a player but he do cheap things most of the times.

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Quote from: GbitG on December 27, 2021, 02:59:30 PM

Mate, right now no one is friend or buddy all doing for their own sack we have some bad history of Gangualy involved in many conflicts, and he knows how to handle things like this, so they will prefer their own dignity instead of a Legend of game or superhero of cricket. But I am feeling they need to do this all wisely because it's very important for BCCI and Kohli both surely do this all with mutual understanding but still Gangualy and BCCI have some advantage for all things.

One thing I know about Ganguly is that he is very aggressive, at the same time he never crosses the line. This is not true with Kohli. Rather than showing aggression, he always try to bully his opponents. Sometimes it work out, and sometimes it doesn't. Also, blaming everything on Ganguly is not going to make things easy for Kohli. For the last several weeks I am witnessing uncouth social media posts from supporters of Kohli. He should stay away from such behavior, or his career will get negatively impacted.

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This is not happening first time we have very long history of changes like this because these both countries are very furious about this cricket game and Indian were very confident about this win, but suddenly it's all happened which was never been in any mind, so India lost and after this shocking defeat Kohli lost his captaincy and now some serious rift between BCCI and Kohli which is having not positive impact on both parties hopefully all will be settled in a good way and both parties will respect each other for better future. Currently, Kohli is one of best batting icon in cricket, he needs to stay and have some good performance for his country.

BCCI is big board and there officials must react wisely in such situations. Its fine to remove Ravi from Coaching but kohli must not be removed in such manner. This will destroy his confidence, which can be seen in his performance in recent test series. Gangualy has brought his old friend dravid as coach but removed one legend from captaincy.

Mate, right now no one is friend or buddy all doing for their own sack we have some bad history of Gangualy involved in many conflicts, and he knows how to handle things like this, so they will prefer their own dignity instead of a Legend of game or superhero of cricket. But I am feeling they need to do this all wisely because it's very important for BCCI and Kohli both surely do this all with mutual understanding but still Gangualy and BCCI have some advantage for all things.

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Quote from: GbitG on December 27, 2021, 02:26:02 PM

This is not happening first time we have very long history of changes like this because these both countries are very furious about this cricket game and Indian were very confident about this win, but suddenly it's all happened which was never been in any mind, so India lost and after this shocking defeat Kohli lost his captaincy and now some serious rift between BCCI and Kohli which is having not positive impact on both parties hopefully all will be settled in a good way and both parties will respect each other for better future. Currently, Kohli is one of best batting icon in cricket, he needs to stay and have some good performance for his country.

BCCI is big board and there officials must react wisely in such situations. Its fine to remove Ravi from Coaching but kohli must not be removed in such manner. This will destroy his confidence, which can be seen in his performance in recent test series. Gangualy has brought his old friend dravid as coach but removed one legend from captaincy.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 26, 2021, 09:03:08 AM

I didn't knew about this match before and just came to know that Pakistan managed to win another big win against the BCCI. I told you that Indians after losing the T20 WC match won't remain the same strong team and you will see a lot of change in top teams ranking in near future.

As far as I know Kohli lost his captaincy both in ODI and t20 because of defeat against Pakistan. The game b/w india and Pakistan is not just a match, its way more then that, Before T20 WC, India conducted IPL at UAE and it was predicted that they are very much used to UAE conditions and are favorite for the tournament. India will no doubt undergo many changes in coming days.

This is not happening first time we have very long history of changes like this because these both countries are very furious about this cricket game and Indian were very confident about this win, but suddenly it's all happened which was never been in any mind, so India lost and after this shocking defeat Kohli lost his captaincy and now some serious rift between BCCI and Kohli which is having not positive impact on both parties hopefully all will be settled in a good way and both parties will respect each other for better future. Currently, Kohli is one of best batting icon in cricket, he needs to stay and have some good performance for his country.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 26, 2021, 09:03:08 AM

I didn't knew about this match before and just came to know that Pakistan managed to win another big win against the BCCI. I told you that Indians after losing the T20 WC match won't remain the same strong team and you will see a lot of change in top teams ranking in near future.

As far as I know Kohli lost his captaincy both in ODI and t20 because of defeat against Pakistan. The game b/w india and Pakistan is not just a match, its way more then that, Before T20 WC, India conducted IPL at UAE and it was predicted that they are very much used to UAE conditions and are favorite for the tournament. India will no doubt undergo many changes in coming days.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 26, 2021, 09:03:08 AM

I didn't knew about this match before and just came to know that Pakistan managed to win another big win against the BCCI. I told you that Indians after losing the T20 WC match won't remain the same strong team and you will see a lot of change in top teams ranking in near future.

After IPL came into picture, the age-group cricket in India also changed. Now many of the U-19 cricketers believe that they are at a level equal to that of god. Hopefully with this defeat, they will come back to their senses and introspect about what went wrong. The same malice that is affecting the national squad seems to have crept in to the age group squads as well. There are reports of players not following the quarantine rules and disobeying the match officials. Not a good sign for cricket in India.

Same time, it is possible to see more potential players unlike the age through the IPL. The attitude of the players must be punished for not obeying the rules. However Indian Cricket team won't weaken just because of a defeat. These days one more mistake the players does is focusing to get auctioned into IPL tournaments and not towards the national team.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 26, 2021, 09:03:08 AM

I didn't knew about this match before and just came to know that Pakistan managed to win another big win against the BCCI. I told you that Indians after losing the T20 WC match won't remain the same strong team and you will see a lot of change in top teams ranking in near future.

After IPL came into picture, the age-group cricket in India also changed. Now many of the U-19 cricketers believe that they are at a level equal to that of god. Hopefully with this defeat, they will come back to their senses and introspect about what went wrong. The same malice that is affecting the national squad seems to have crept in to the age group squads as well. There are reports of players not following the quarantine rules and disobeying the match officials. Not a good sign for cricket in India.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 26, 2021, 09:03:08 AM

I didn't knew about this match before and just came to know that Pakistan managed to win another big win against the BCCI. I told you that Indians after losing the T20 WC match won't remain the same strong team and you will see a lot of change in top teams ranking in near future.

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, why you think so because it was a under 19 India Pakistan match . So you think that a loss in a T20 match will weaken the Indian team and what do you think about the current tour of South Africa, will they show the same weakness in Test matches or just in T20 and ODI Tongue

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If Pakistan can tour England, Australia and South Africa and starts winning series then we can say that they started to change drastically, other than that how can you compare both the teams Wink

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Quote from: Theones on December 26, 2021, 06:38:14 AM

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LOL.. so this will be like the second consecutive defeat for the Indian national side against Pakistan, in the ICC tournaments. A few months back they lost to Pakistan by 10 wickets during the T20 World Cup. India is still at 2nd spot in Group A and it looks very likely that they will reach the semi-finals. The next match for India is against Afghanistan and they should win that one easily given the recent performance of the Afghan U-19 side. In case they finish second in Group A, then their opponents in semis will be Bangladesh.

Indian U19 cricket team performance cant be compared with Indian team performance in recent T20 WC. They scored 237 runs by batting first and was in the game till the last ball. On last ball Pakistan need 2 runs to win and it was Ahmed Khan four that take Pakistan to victory. T20 WC match was very much one sided just like Ashes series.

I agree with your point but still this was very good match between two archrivals and have very thrilling and entertaining end with last ball four runs give Pakistan another win and now this is showing some significant change in Pakistan cricket with the arrival of Ramiz Hassan Raja he changes many things which are giving positive results for team and PCB. Even it's still very long way to go for them because they are struggling in many ways but always positive changes give good results which are now happening again for Pakistan Cricket Team and PCB. Now we will have some more competitions in future between these two teams with good and healthy environment.

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