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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2021, 10:25:13 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 08:06:08 PM

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

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That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2021, 05:26:19 PM

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

First the smaller boards are not willing to unite or stand on a stance. Secondly even they combine together, they won't be able to generate the funds to support the cricket.

Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2021, 10:25:13 PM

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

English Premier League is completely different from Indian Premier League we can't compare these because they have massive market and their few policies are also not applicable here in Indian Premier League like in few clubs they have no local player mostly dominant by foreign players and there are no restrictions from their The FA about anything. Here, you can't play more than 4 foreign players.

For me, it is good idea if they like to go all through English Premier League then surely they will be able to have massive revenue and exposure will also very big instead of current with nearly 16 to 20 teams, but it's need some very long time as well as 5 to 6 months which kill all other cricket.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 15, 2021, 05:26:19 PM

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 08:06:08 PM

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 15, 2021, 11:36:24 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 09:33:57 AM

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

12-14 will be pushing it too far. I am not sure whether it can happen within the next decade. IPL started in 2008 and it took 14 years to expand from 8 teams to 10. The next expansion to 12 teams may also take a similar duration. Even now there are a lot of doubts about whether the 10-team format will work out properly in 2022. IMO, a better option would be to add a second tier league with 10 more teams, with the top most team being promoted to the IPL (and the lowest ranking side of the IPL relegated).

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

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That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 15, 2021, 02:04:00 PM

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Looks like you wanted to say 2 billion dollars but you claimed to have 2 million. A single board is having a net worth two billion dollars is absolutely crazy and since you pin pointed this, i wanted to know the net revenue each cricket board makes.

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Quote from: GbitG on October 15, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.0;topicseen

Thanks for highlighting this issue but even then people are talking about IPL here. Since this thread is about ODIs, we dont have any ODI series going on right now as WCT20 is about to begin. People are beyond any doubt getting crazy about IPL. The way things are going very soon we will have only IPL left to discuss in whole cricket eco system.

That's what BCCI wants Wink

It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

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Quote from: GbitG on October 15, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.0;topicseen

Thanks for highlighting this issue but even then people are talking about IPL here. Since this thread is about ODIs, we dont have any ODI series going on right now as WCT20 is about to begin. People are beyond any doubt getting crazy about IPL. The way things are going very soon we will have only IPL left to discuss in whole cricket eco system.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2021, 09:33:57 AM

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

12-14 will be pushing it too far. I am not sure whether it can happen within the next decade. IPL started in 2008 and it took 14 years to expand from 8 teams to 10. The next expansion to 12 teams may also take a similar duration. Even now there are a lot of doubts about whether the 10-team format will work out properly in 2022. IMO, a better option would be to add a second tier league with 10 more teams, with the top most team being promoted to the IPL (and the lowest ranking side of the IPL relegated).

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 14, 2021, 04:44:15 PM

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

Right now they are not going for quality they have intention about revenue and more profit through selling teams and their TV Rights because if they are going to extend this for 3 months then surely It's going to increase their income and profit automatically. And about quality it's never been their problem they are bringing few quality players with big amounts, and they are also giving their best even teams have nothing from this all. ICC is also had no issues with this all because their favorite boards having income without any work just through players after having 2 more teams mean more foreign players and more income for them.

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Quote from: Qunenin on October 15, 2021, 12:56:22 AM

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2021, 10:20:03 PM

Quote from: SirLancelot on October 12, 2021, 12:44:53 PM

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

BBL is not as popular as IPL therefore it seems a bit boring if the more matches are played in this league and the tournament is extended. If they pay more money to players, no one will mind the long duration of the tournament. Think about, if IPL duration is extended, there will be no objection from anyone because its popular and fans willing to see more matches.

Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 15, 2021, 03:45:31 AM

^ Another reason that IPL has more spotlight than BBL is maybe because IPL has been happening since a long time ago and if I'm not wrong, IPL is the first franchise cricket to be started. Also, another thing that could be a factor over here is the marketing. IPL is very heavily marketed all over the world which is not the case for BBL.

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.0;topicseen

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 14, 2021, 09:04:10 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 08:08:57 PM

Yup, 10 team format from 2022 season. Close estimate would be 16 ish new foreign players (4 player in the team and 3-4 back up in the squad for each franchise) and approx 26-32 capped or uncapped local talent. So its a win-win situation for players.

I don't have an issue with the foreign players part. As we have seen for this season, the overseas players performed well for all of the franchises. Enough backup is available and some of the promising players such as Southee, Neesham, Tahir and Smith could not play because of the 4-player restriction. But the same can't be said about the local players. The franchises are struggling to recruit enough talent locally. Look at SRH and RR. Their local players have contributed hardly anything this season. I would suggest increasing the foreign player cap from 4 to 5 by next season. For the English Premier League, they don't have any such cap. So why should the IPL have one?

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

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^ Another reason that IPL has more spotlight than BBL is maybe because IPL has been happening since a long time ago and if I'm not wrong, IPL is the first franchise cricket to be started. Also, another thing that could be a factor over here is the marketing. IPL is very heavily marketed all over the world which is not the case for BBL.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2021, 10:20:03 PM

Quote from: SirLancelot on October 12, 2021, 12:44:53 PM

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

BBL is not as popular as IPL therefore it seems a bit boring if the more matches are played in this league and the tournament is extended. If they pay more money to players, no one will mind the long duration of the tournament. Think about, if IPL duration is extended, there will be no objection from anyone because its popular and fans willing to see more matches.

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Quote from: coinism on October 14, 2021, 06:30:16 AM

If 3 months goes for IPL, then we have only 9 months left in a year where other T20 leagues will be held and international matches b/w countries will be played. 9 months is very little duration to complete all this. It will hurt the cricket IMO.
But seeing the money involved and power of BCCI, nothing is impossible for IPL.

If this is going to happen then surely we will see some massive changes in future because then surely this will cut Indian cricket schedule, and it's also had some big impact on other boards and teams as well.

Maybe we will watch some better changes through ICC because they will also big beneficiary of this and big 3 are already having good profit because of their players, but this will also bring some other issues also very terribly like we have few years back in England as players will burn with this all and having many issues like mental and other health relative hopefully they all will bring some better solution for this all.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 08:08:57 PM

Yup, 10 team format from 2022 season. Close estimate would be 16 ish new foreign players (4 player in the team and 3-4 back up in the squad for each franchise) and approx 26-32 capped or uncapped local talent. So its a win-win situation for players.

I don't have an issue with the foreign players part. As we have seen for this season, the overseas players performed well for all of the franchises. Enough backup is available and some of the promising players such as Southee, Neesham, Tahir and Smith could not play because of the 4-player restriction. But the same can't be said about the local players. The franchises are struggling to recruit enough talent locally. Look at SRH and RR. Their local players have contributed hardly anything this season. I would suggest increasing the foreign player cap from 4 to 5 by next season. For the English Premier League, they don't have any such cap. So why should the IPL have one?

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Oh, I didn't know about them adding 2 more teams to the league. So if 2 more teams are added, that means around 40 more players will get recruited which is a good sign for cricket in general. Then more promising players can shoe their talent and get a head-start in their careers.

Yup, 10 team format from 2022 season. Close estimate would be 16 ish new foreign players (4 player in the team and 3-4 back up in the squad for each franchise) and approx 26-32 capped or uncapped local talent. So its a win-win situation for players.

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

Competition is not the issue IMO. For example if you look at their squad then you will find players like Sanju, Buttler, Stokes, Archer, Chris Morris etc in Rajasthan Royals. KL Rahul, Mayank Aggarwal, Shami, Chris Jordan, Nicolas Pooran, Gayle etc in the Punjab. So quality squad is available for them, its just that they are not utilizing resources well when comparing to other franchise. One big example is Maxwell, he had poor run for the Punjab but now look at him in the RCB jersey.

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Quote from: perfect999 on October 13, 2021, 11:23:42 PM

India is well populated and big country in cricket community so just because of this they have biggest and richest league on Australian side they have one of the longest league which starts in December and ends in February and held in their cricketing season which is really strange as they have no big window for this even still good league but due to their cricketing system it's not able to have real benefits but still good for their board as they have good profit from this.

As far as I know, BPL was supposed to be held sometime during January or February and it will have a time clash between BPL and BBL. So it already is having an effect on other franchise cricket. So if the time is decreased a bit, maybe we would see more variety franchise cricket and more International cricket played at that same time. I don't know, maybe BBL's length is just too long.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 14, 2021, 04:44:15 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 01:05:23 AM

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

Those teams which are not able to perform in IPL are those where the franchise is reluctant to let go of non-performing players and also the old ones. Some of these players feel they are playing in that team because they have now become legends. These so-called legends should be chucked out and new players should be introduced. Many veterans have been asking the same. I agree two new teams will make the tournament more competitive but if these two teams also follow the same footsteps then nothing will be left.

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