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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 01:05:23 AM

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To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Do you think that adding more teams mean more competition. Even now if you look at the IPL teams only a few teams are competitive. The bottom teams are maintaining that position every season and they are not improving their performance and even if you add more teams the pool of player available for the IPL does not increase. I am not sure whether the revenue increases because there will be more matches but if you are looking at quality of matches i do not think it will make much of a difference.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 13, 2021, 11:08:13 PM

They have 8 teams in total (same with the IPL). On the other hand, other leagues such as the PSL, CPL and Hundred features just 6 teams. So as per the default setting, each team needs to play a total of 14 matches in BBL/IPL, compared to 10 in CPL and the other leagues. Also, I am not sure whether the channel partners will be happy with a shortened tournament (because they were promised a two month window). They can think about it later. But first they need to increase the salaries. CA is getting good profits from the BBL nowadays. What is the problem in sharing some of that with the players?

As BBL is longer than IPL, that means that they get a hefty amount from the TV's and sponsors. So increasing the fees of the players should not be a big problem for them. I don't know maybe this needs to be brought to their attention. Maybe if enough social media posts are made, or even some players step up to make some statements about it, they might consider increasing the fees.

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@LittleBitFunny IPL is no longer a league just for India, it’s an platform for player’s from all over the world to show their talent and secure a direct promotion to the playing 11 of their respective countries. Also BBL isn’t as heavily advertised as IPL is, and that’s a key factor why IPL is more watched then BBL.

To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

Oh, I didn't know about them adding 2 more teams to the league. So if 2 more teams are added, that means around 40 more players will get recruited which is a good sign for cricket in general. Then more promising players can shoe their talent and get a head-start in their careers.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 14, 2021, 02:26:30 AM

I won't be surprised if the IPL gets extended from the current duration of 2 months, to 3 months. If 10 teams are participating, then each team needs to play a total of 18 matches. In the group phase 90 matches needs to be played. If they want to keep the duration down to 2 months, then they need to agree for 2-matches per day schedule. The franchise owners may be against it, since they may be vary of the drop in TV ratings. The IPL to cricket will become what the English Premier League is to football (if it is not so, already).

If 3 months goes for IPL, then we have only 9 months left in a year where other T20 leagues will be held and international matches b/w countries will be played. 9 months is very little duration to complete all this. It will hurt the cricket IMO.
But seeing the money involved and power of BCCI, nothing is impossible for IPL.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2021, 01:05:23 AM

To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

I won't be surprised if the IPL gets extended from the current duration of 2 months, to 3 months. If 10 teams are participating, then each team needs to play a total of 18 matches. In the group phase 90 matches needs to be played. If they want to keep the duration down to 2 months, then they need to agree for 2-matches per day schedule. The franchise owners may be against it, since they may be vary of the drop in TV ratings. The IPL to cricket will become what the English Premier League is to football (if it is not so, already).

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@LittleBitFunny IPL is no longer a league just for India, it’s an platform for player’s from all over the world to show their talent and secure a direct promotion to the playing 11 of their respective countries. Also BBL isn’t as heavily advertised as IPL is, and that’s a key factor why IPL is more watched then BBL.

To add more into this, they are also adding 2 more teams and its going to get bigger now. More opportunity for additional players to showcase their talent. IPL already surpassed the ICC in terms of revenue and i won't be surprise if gap between them increase in coming years. Can imagine IPL dominating ICC tournament and bilateral series in next decade when BCCI manage to add more teams in the IPL.

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IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

India is well populated and big country in cricket community so just because of this they have biggest and richest league on Australian side they have one of the longest league which starts in December and ends in February and held in their cricketing season which is really strange as they have no big window for this even still good league but due to their cricketing system it's not able to have real benefits but still good for their board as they have good profit from this.

@LittleBitFunny IPL is no longer a league just for India, it’s an platform for player’s from all over the world to show their talent and secure a direct promotion to the playing 11 of their respective countries. Also BBL isn’t as heavily advertised as IPL is, and that’s a key factor why IPL is more watched then BBL.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

India is well populated and big country in cricket community so just because of this they have biggest and richest league on Australian side they have one of the longest league which starts in December and ends in February and held in their cricketing season which is really strange as they have no big window for this even still good league but due to their cricketing system it's not able to have real benefits but still good for their board as they have good profit from this.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on October 13, 2021, 09:13:38 AM

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

They have 8 teams in total (same with the IPL). On the other hand, other leagues such as the PSL, CPL and Hundred features just 6 teams. So as per the default setting, each team needs to play a total of 14 matches in BBL/IPL, compared to 10 in CPL and the other leagues. Also, I am not sure whether the channel partners will be happy with a shortened tournament (because they were promised a two month window). They can think about it later. But first they need to increase the salaries. CA is getting good profits from the BBL nowadays. What is the problem in sharing some of that with the players?

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Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

Indeed, IPL- the biggest franchise cricket ends in within a month or a month and 10 days whereas BBL is a lengthy tournament. Sometimes I myself get bored of so many matches and lose track of who's playing good and who' playing bad. Another downside of longer tournaments is that it somewhat hampers International schedules and other franchise cricket as well. So I think rather than increasing the money, they should shorten the length of the tournament a bit.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on October 12, 2021, 12:44:53 PM

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

Personally I believe that the BBL salaries should be higher. If that is not possible, then they should shorten the duration. While the other leagues such as PSL and CPL gets completed in just around a month, the BBL is considerably longer and goes on for two months. Each franchise side plays a total of 14 matches in the group phase. So the work load for the players is much higher when compared to the other leagues. The Pakistan Super League has much higher salaries, and each franchise plays only 10 matches in the group stage.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2021, 10:05:06 PM

They have this stupid salary cap, which is kept at a very low level. It was OK when the BBL first launched (2011), but during the last decade player salaries have gone up by manytimes. Right now the highest paid player in BBL receives a salary that is only around 1/10th of that received by the highest paid player in the IPL. And the work load is almost the same. Given this, many of the local players prefer to play in other leagues such as Vitality Blast and CPL, rather than participating in the BBL.

Now it's already big changes happening but sadly CA is not adopting this all because I remember few decades back there was serious issue about salaries between CA and players Association, so many players was settling in England because they have nearly doubled money from home country.

But, sadly It's still going on as now just because of BBL they already have very good money in their account and many other things also happening which give them good resources, but Board is not going to change their attitude about this. If they do not bring some changes then surely few other Leagues can take over, and they will go with their second class players in this League.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on October 11, 2021, 04:41:50 AM

This is happening in BigBash for some time because some years back I also read few local players refuse to play this league because they feel they have not enough money from them which is strange for me because they have some good market and their media partnership is also very good but still they are unable to give good salaries to players is really strange because if they pay good then surely big players will come, and they have good viewer ship and good number of peoples in grounds as well.

Few years back, just because of these salaries issues, mostly Australian players was love to play in England instead of Australian domestic matches because they have some better salaries from them.

They have this stupid salary cap, which is kept at a very low level. It was OK when the BBL first launched (2011), but during the last decade player salaries have gone up by manytimes. Right now the highest paid player in BBL receives a salary that is only around 1/10th of that received by the highest paid player in the IPL. And the work load is almost the same. Given this, many of the local players prefer to play in other leagues such as Vitality Blast and CPL, rather than participating in the BBL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 09, 2021, 09:38:31 PM

Ironically the salaries in BPL are higher than BBL. The Big Bash League has this strange upper limit for salaries and many of the players have refused to take part in it, due to this threshold. Last year (2019-20), Sandeep Lamichhane left BBL after a few matches, after he got a higher paying contract with the BPL. Local players like David Warner have refused to play in the BBL. It may be the third largest franchise league in the world (in terms of revenue and viewership), but CA is not managing it properly.

This is happening in BigBash for some time because some years back I also read few local players refuse to play this league because they feel they have not enough money from them which is strange for me because they have some good market and their media partnership is also very good but still they are unable to give good salaries to players is really strange because if they pay good then surely big players will come, and they have good viewer ship and good number of peoples in grounds as well.

Few years back, just because of these salaries issues, mostly Australian players was love to play in England instead of Australian domestic matches because they have some better salaries from them.

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Quote from: Iranus on October 10, 2021, 08:54:08 AM

I think that BPL is the biggest franchise T20 cricket after IPL and Big Bash League. The team contains a good number of quality players from both local and players from abroad. But it was very unfortunate that they were not able to host. And that's a good point you mentioned that as the financial situation of Bangladesh is getting better, they can invest more into this league and make it better every year.

I agree with wiss19. BPL doesn't currently rank among the top-5 leagues. There is no point in importing superstars from countries like West Indies and Australia. They need to produce quality local talent first. Look at the foreign franchise leagues. Only Shakib al Hasan and Mustafizur Rahman are included in the squads, because the other players simply don't have the quality. If they expand BPL without developing the local talent, then the league will be completely dominated by the foreign players and local youngsters won't get a chance.

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Quote from: Iranus on October 10, 2021, 08:54:08 AM

I think that BPL is the biggest franchise T20 cricket after IPL and Big Bash League. The team contains a good number of quality players from both local and players from abroad. But it was very unfortunate that they were not able to host. And that's a good point you mentioned that as the financial situation of Bangladesh is getting better, they can invest more into this league and make it better every year.

Currently, they are not big as you are mentioning, but they could be if they have done some good marketing in near future right now we have this list as IPL, Vitality Blast, BigBash, CPL and PSL then BPL is coming.

In my view they need some good time for coming in top 5, but it's not impossible for them as they are slowly and sturdily doing good job for their domestic and International games other good thing for them is they are not in any conflict just because of their geographical way as we have right now Pakistan. This could be big advantage for them and their progress in future.

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Quote from: nhaila on October 09, 2021, 04:45:13 PM

BPL obviously very popular premier league in Bangladesh after IPL and bigbash but Bangladesh don't arrange BPL T20 league due to the some political issues, budgets for player, and recently coronavirus pandemic situations. Just wait and see Bangladesh also arrange BPL next year guys.

Surely BPL could be best brand for Bangladesh in next few years as their economy is on good rise, and they have some good committed peoples around Cricket Board those are doing hard work for this. This year just because of T20 world cup and Covid-19 they have few issues but good thing they are ready for next year in early stages even they have no issues with BBL which is also held in December/January.

Some good number of quality players already in touch with this league and in coming years as they have some good budget then they can do some better for their own fans.

I think that BPL is the biggest franchise T20 cricket after IPL and Big Bash League. The team contains a good number of quality players from both local and players from abroad. But it was very unfortunate that they were not able to host. And that's a good point you mentioned that as the financial situation of Bangladesh is getting better, they can invest more into this league and make it better every year.

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Quote from: nhaila on October 09, 2021, 04:45:13 PM

BPL obviously very popular premier league in Bangladesh after IPL and bigbash but Bangladesh don't arrange BPL T20 league due to the some political issues, budgets for player, and recently coronavirus pandemic situations. Just wait and see Bangladesh also arrange BPL next year guys.

Surely BPL could be best brand for Bangladesh in next few years as their economy is on good rise, and they have some good committed peoples around Cricket Board those are doing hard work for this. This year just because of T20 world cup and Covid-19 they have few issues but good thing they are ready for next year in early stages even they have no issues with BBL which is also held in December/January.

Some good number of quality players already in touch with this league and in coming years as they have some good budget then they can do some better for their own fans.

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I understand that its impossible to see a series between India and Pakistan ever again. The geographical structure is changing very quickly and you never know what will happen after 10 years. But other countries like New Zealand and England, who had their tour planned, should come and play.

Once again, it is up to the ICC. If the ICC impose strict penalties on teams that refuse to tour, then there is a good chance that the cricket boards of SENA nations would request their own governments to provide permission to tour Pakistan. But as things stand now, these boards don't face any losses if they refuse to tour (the losses will be borne by the PCB). It is not fair, if you ask me. But cricket is different from the other sports and things are like this. Hopefully Pakistan will be able to convince these boards to change their decision.

I don't think ICC can do any strict penalties like this because it's not a sports organization, it's just political wing of few big countries in common wealth, and they are using this just for own sack. Here three countries are very big, and they have one puppet CNZ, so no other board can challenge them right now until they fight for their own sack. In near future cricket is going to be more dead and just leagues game instead of nations games which was few years back just because of really biased policies from very few countries those kill its beauty.
In next few years we will watch few big leagues and never have great moments of fight and passion for cricket.

So this means that we would have many cricket leagues and the nations will only play against each other in the world cup events only. This structure is similar to fifa where we have different leagues and countries compete in major tournaments like world cup or euro cup. If this happens it won't be good for the game.

That is what is happening now isn't it! Only when there is a ICC tournament all countries are playing with each other otherwise when was the last time you saw India playing with Zimbabwe? This situation cannot be controlled by ICC as they are completely dependent on big boards for revenue.

This is true. In particular the dominance of BCCI can be seen much on ICC. However Zimbabwe playing against Afghanistan and similar teams in that cadre seems to be good than playing India or other top teams. With the introduction of T20 format ODI lost its importance. This is also a major reason why we can't see ODI's played against every teams.

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I understand that its impossible to see a series between India and Pakistan ever again. The geographical structure is changing very quickly and you never know what will happen after 10 years. But other countries like New Zealand and England, who had their tour planned, should come and play.

Once again, it is up to the ICC. If the ICC impose strict penalties on teams that refuse to tour, then there is a good chance that the cricket boards of SENA nations would request their own governments to provide permission to tour Pakistan. But as things stand now, these boards don't face any losses if they refuse to tour (the losses will be borne by the PCB). It is not fair, if you ask me. But cricket is different from the other sports and things are like this. Hopefully Pakistan will be able to convince these boards to change their decision.

I don't think ICC can do any strict penalties like this because it's not a sports organization, it's just political wing of few big countries in common wealth, and they are using this just for own sack. Here three countries are very big, and they have one puppet CNZ, so no other board can challenge them right now until they fight for their own sack. In near future cricket is going to be more dead and just leagues game instead of nations games which was few years back just because of really biased policies from very few countries those kill its beauty.
In next few years we will watch few big leagues and never have great moments of fight and passion for cricket.

So this means that we would have many cricket leagues and the nations will only play against each other in the world cup events only. This structure is similar to fifa where we have different leagues and countries compete in major tournaments like world cup or euro cup. If this happens it won't be good for the game.

That is what is happening now isn't it! Only when there is a ICC tournament all countries are playing with each other otherwise when was the last time you saw India playing with Zimbabwe? This situation cannot be controlled by ICC as they are completely dependent on big boards for revenue.

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ICC means big 3, so these all are taking some good earning from IPL directly or indirectly, but these are beneficiaries, so you can understand now from where I am heard and talking about this all.

About Bangladesh, they are already having their own League, and it's doing good for them in start maybe they have no good enough profit but as they are going hopefully in next few years they will be able to have some good profit from this which will help them for their structure and giving good salaries to their players as right now Bangladesh is 210 Million population country, and recently they have some good progress in different fields.

It is not actually big 3. Now it is big 4. New Zealand also sides with the big 3 boards on a regular basis and now the big 3 consider the NZC as one of them. But even then, there are 8 other test playing nations. The problem is not with the big 3, but with the lack of unity among the remaining 8 boards. When Pawar/Srinivasan changed the revenue sharing model to favor the big 3, many of the smaller boards supported them. If I remember correctly, the new proposal was passed with more than two-third of the votes.

There are total of 8 big teams at the moment. If you include England, Australia, India and New Zealand in big 3 or big 4 teams, then the remaining teams left are Pakistan, Srilanka, South Africa and West Indies. If south Africa didn't have domestic problems, they could have included in the big teams setup. The problem is that small teams / boards doesn't have the money or power to speak for themselves and also their performance is not up to the mark.

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