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Quote from: jostorres on January 24, 2022, 03:51:26 PM

Quote from: Iranus on January 24, 2022, 11:21:40 AM

Listen, politics is always going to be a big problem in teams like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan.
And it's not going to be changing anytime soon. We have to accept that fact.
And most of the time it doesn't matter who plays better, there is certain favoritism going on in the team selectors' minds.

Agree with you here about this statement because we have no solid domestic setup which bring some natural talent and give better leadership lessons here mostly groups and personal likes and dislikes have more importance rather than merit and good policies handling Kohli issue is very poor from BCCI and now having some big troubles around them for having better replacement is another headache for them, so they need to do things in positive way currently just Rohit Sharma is capable for handling this all KL Rahul is failure in short term, so they need to set him for some time and then bring some better and long term policy for this all otherwise they are going to have bad time in next few months which can hurt them badly.

Right now the best way for BCCI to get out of this situation is to hand over Rohit Sharma the captaincy and maybe in that way India will perform better and these types of talks would be over.
And I do not understand what is up with these boards who seem to be absolutely unable to conduct with players properly.

And most of the time they're actually don't follow the code of conduct. Obviously, this generally happens because of the communication gap between the players and the board.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 24, 2022, 02:39:37 PM

Quote from: BALIK on January 24, 2022, 07:53:19 AM

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.

I disagree. Rohit hasn't proven himself as a better captain when compared to Kohli at the international level yet though he has proven himself as a better captain in the IPL.

What I think is you are giving Rahul a chance with the captaincy but not to Sharma which does not make any sense. It's better to experiment with something that might have a positive outcome right?

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 24, 2022, 09:26:46 PM

I don't have a good opinion about the elevation of Rohit Sharma as the captain, but at least we can agree that he's far better than KL Rahul. Age is not on his side, so within the next 2 years or so, the BCCI needs to look for a replacement. Two of my favorite choices are Rishabh Pant and Shreyas Iyer. But as you said, Rishabh can be immature and irresponsible at times. And Shreyas is yet to cement his position as a regular player in the national side. But who else is there in contention? These are the only two young players who have the capability to lead the squad.

I really believe India should try giving Rohit Sharma the captaincy and see how it works out because he has been around the team for a long time so he knows the ins and outs very well and he also has the experience. And honestly, I am not a fan of giving any young player the captaincy where they are much more experienced players.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

Pant under-performed in my opinion and Rohit would have definitely made a difference. He could have replaced Rahul as both the captain and as a batsman.

Also, Thakur single-handedly decimated the South African batsmen in one of the tests while Ashwin shouldn't be blamed since the pitches aren't spin friendly and he didn't concede too many runs.

Quote from: BALIK on January 24, 2022, 07:53:19 AM

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.

I disagree. Rohit hasn't proven himself as a better captain when compared to Kohli at the international level yet though he has proven himself as a better captain in the IPL.

Just to let you know under Hitman's captaincy India won Asia Cup, Nidahas Trophy and also under his leadership Mumbai Indian have won 5 IPL trophy, second best is Dhoni as far as IPL captaincy goes.

There are reports coming in that BCCI is set to hand over all format captaincy to Rohit, quickfix for 2 years max.

I think Rohit is a good choice as a captain for the Indian team.
From the Indian team's perspective, it is important that they make a final decision on a captain and give him some time so that he can settle and lead the team.
No captain can perform under pressure if he knows that on the poor performance he will be removed from captaincy. No matter the results, Rohit or any captain should be retained for one to two years and give him a fair chance to prove himself.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 24, 2022, 10:15:11 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on January 24, 2022, 02:39:37 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

Pant under-performed in my opinion and Rohit would have definitely made a difference. He could have replaced Rahul as both the captain and as a batsman.

Also, Thakur single-handedly decimated the South African batsmen in one of the tests while Ashwin shouldn't be blamed since the pitches aren't spin friendly and he didn't concede too many runs.

Quote from: BALIK on January 24, 2022, 07:53:19 AM

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.

I disagree. Rohit hasn't proven himself as a better captain when compared to Kohli at the international level yet though he has proven himself as a better captain in the IPL.

Just to let you know under Hitman's captaincy India won Asia Cup, Nidahas Trophy and also under his leadership Mumbai Indian have won 5 IPL trophy, second best is Dhoni as far as IPL captaincy goes.

There are reports coming in that BCCI is set to hand over all format captaincy to Rohit, quickfix for 2 years max.

I won’t say Pant played bad but could he have played better then the answer is yes, he has the power to be a match winner and the coach now needs to tell him to start playing smartly rather than hit every ball he sees. Another reason given by commentators was Rahul looked confused and he’s yet not ready to captain the team, so will Rohit perform better I feel the answer is yes because of his experience.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 24, 2022, 02:39:37 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

Pant under-performed in my opinion and Rohit would have definitely made a difference. He could have replaced Rahul as both the captain and as a batsman.

Also, Thakur single-handedly decimated the South African batsmen in one of the tests while Ashwin shouldn't be blamed since the pitches aren't spin friendly and he didn't concede too many runs.

Quote from: BALIK on January 24, 2022, 07:53:19 AM

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.

I disagree. Rohit hasn't proven himself as a better captain when compared to Kohli at the international level yet though he has proven himself as a better captain in the IPL.

Just to let you know under Hitman's captaincy India won Asia Cup, Nidahas Trophy and also under his leadership Mumbai Indian have won 5 IPL trophy, second best is Dhoni as far as IPL captaincy goes.

There are reports coming in that BCCI is set to hand over all format captaincy to Rohit, quickfix for 2 years max.

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Quote from: BALIK on January 24, 2022, 07:53:19 AM

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.
And it's about the whole team failing to win, nothing came together for them to win. And I have to agree that the bowlers failed badly

I don't have a good opinion about the elevation of Rohit Sharma as the captain, but at least we can agree that he's far better than KL Rahul. Age is not on his side, so within the next 2 years or so, the BCCI needs to look for a replacement. Two of my favorite choices are Rishabh Pant and Shreyas Iyer. But as you said, Rishabh can be immature and irresponsible at times. And Shreyas is yet to cement his position as a regular player in the national side. But who else is there in contention? These are the only two young players who have the capability to lead the squad.

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Quote from: Iranus on January 24, 2022, 11:21:40 AM

Listen, politics is always going to be a big problem in teams like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan.
And it's not going to be changing anytime soon. We have to accept that fact.
And most of the time it doesn't matter who plays better, there is certain favoritism going on in the team selectors' minds.

Agree with you here about this statement because we have no solid domestic setup which bring some natural talent and give better leadership lessons here mostly groups and personal likes and dislikes have more importance rather than merit and good policies handling Kohli issue is very poor from BCCI and now having some big troubles around them for having better replacement is another headache for them, so they need to do things in positive way currently just Rohit Sharma is capable for handling this all KL Rahul is failure in short term, so they need to set him for some time and then bring some better and long term policy for this all otherwise they are going to have bad time in next few months which can hurt them badly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

Pant under-performed in my opinion and Rohit would have definitely made a difference. He could have replaced Rahul as both the captain and as a batsman.

Also, Thakur single-handedly decimated the South African batsmen in one of the tests while Ashwin shouldn't be blamed since the pitches aren't spin friendly and he didn't concede too many runs.

Quote from: BALIK on January 24, 2022, 07:53:19 AM

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.

I disagree. Rohit hasn't proven himself as a better captain when compared to Kohli at the international level yet though he has proven himself as a better captain in the IPL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on January 23, 2022, 04:35:23 PM

India is seriously missing Rohit who could changed the results of some of these matches since Rahul is clearly out of form recently. Players like Pant keep letting the team down again and again consistently.
The team is actually depending way more on lower order batsman like Thakur, Chahar etc in recent times which says a lot. This particular South African team keeps impressing me.

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. A lot was expected from Shreyas Iyer, but he couldn't live up to those expectations. But I would say that the batsmen did more or less OK. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

After losing the Test series to South Africa, India lost the ODI series 3-0 due to poor shots, poor timing, and overall in critical situation. Neither as a captain nor as a batsman, KL Rahul failed. Consider Pant's irresponsibility. With this kind of mentality, you cannot expect to win a big match. Rohit Sharma is a perfect choice for ODI captaincy according to former India head coach Ravi Shastri. IPL is now the focus of the BCCI instead of solving the problems with the Indian national team. Though I prefer Kohli as a captain, the politics at the BCCI are not good.

Listen, politics is always going to be a big problem in teams like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan.
And it's not going to be changing anytime soon. We have to accept that fact.
And most of the time it doesn't matter who plays better, there is certain favoritism going on in the team selectors' minds.

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India vs South Africa 3ODI, India lost 3match.South Africa played really well.Their team combination was really good.India missed Rohit sharma,Jadeja and Hardik service. Rohit could change the game but unfortunately he didn’t play this series. South Africa batting and bowling both site were really good this series.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 23, 2022, 04:35:23 PM

India is seriously missing Rohit who could changed the results of some of these matches since Rahul is clearly out of form recently. Players like Pant keep letting the team down again and again consistently.
The team is actually depending way more on lower order batsman like Thakur, Chahar etc in recent times which says a lot. This particular South African team keeps impressing me.

The team expects a lot more from their lower-order batsman because the top order doesn't seem to click at times. And at that time they seem to be so desperate. And this mostly is happening because the team has a lot of internal problems which is preventing them from performing at their best. These problems need to be fixed as soon as possible.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. A lot was expected from Shreyas Iyer, but he couldn't live up to those expectations. But I would say that the batsmen did more or less OK. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

I have to say that in my opinion, Rohit is a better captain in comparison to Kohli or Rahul. Because of Virat, I think that he wins by his own performance, not because of crazy good captaincy. But Rohit is a better captain and makes better decisions.
And it's about the whole team failing to win, nothing came together for them to win. And I have to agree that the bowlers failed badly

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on January 23, 2022, 04:35:23 PM

India is seriously missing Rohit who could changed the results of some of these matches since Rahul is clearly out of form recently. Players like Pant keep letting the team down again and again consistently.

The team is actually depending way more on lower order batsman like Thakur, Chahar etc in recent times which says a lot. This particular South African team keeps impressing me.

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. A lot was expected from Shreyas Iyer, but he couldn't live up to those expectations. But I would say that the batsmen did more or less OK. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

More or less batsmen did some contribution. From the bowlers end there is big lagging. Also sometimes at the time of need the batsmen doesn't perform, one such has happened with pant in the last ODI. Since 2020 in ODI matches the wicket fall of opponent was after 100+ runs. In an ODI against Australia Indian bowlers marked the worst, unable to take a single wicket scoring 258 runs batting second. From there atleast Indian bowlers should've made changes in the play, but nothing big has changed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. A lot was expected from Shreyas Iyer, but he couldn't live up to those expectations. But I would say that the batsmen did more or less OK. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

Nowadays 287 is not a big target and team who is playing to avoid whitewash should have chased that quite easily but it went other way round. Chahar one wrong shot was the reason why India lost this game. Had he not panicked in the end, it will be an easy win for india. Rohit is a better choice for captaincy then KL Rahul.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 23, 2022, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on January 23, 2022, 04:35:23 PM

India is seriously missing Rohit who could changed the results of some of these matches since Rahul is clearly out of form recently. Players like Pant keep letting the team down again and again consistently.

The team is actually depending way more on lower order batsman like Thakur, Chahar etc in recent times which says a lot. This particular South African team keeps impressing me.

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. A lot was expected from Shreyas Iyer, but he couldn't live up to those expectations. But I would say that the batsmen did more or less OK. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

After losing the Test series to South Africa, India lost the ODI series 3-0 due to poor shots, poor timing, and overall in critical situation. Neither as a captain nor as a batsman, KL Rahul failed. Consider Pant's irresponsibility. With this kind of mentality, you cannot expect to win a big match. Rohit Sharma is a perfect choice for ODI captaincy according to former India head coach Ravi Shastri. IPL is now the focus of the BCCI instead of solving the problems with the Indian national team. Though I prefer Kohli as a captain, the politics at the BCCI are not good.

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Quote from: Haunebu on January 23, 2022, 04:35:23 PM

India is seriously missing Rohit who could changed the results of some of these matches since Rahul is clearly out of form recently. Players like Pant keep letting the team down again and again consistently.

The team is actually depending way more on lower order batsman like Thakur, Chahar etc in recent times which says a lot. This particular South African team keeps impressing me.

It is strange that you are blaming Pant. Actually he did much better than the other batsmen. Scored a total of 101 runs from three matches and let's not forget the fact that he is the keeper as well. Rohit would have made a difference? I don't know, because Shikhar Dhawan was also in good touch as the opener (169 runs from 3 matches). KL Rahul failed, both as a captain and as a batsman. A lot was expected from Shreyas Iyer, but he couldn't live up to those expectations. But I would say that the batsmen did more or less OK. It was the bowlers who failed - especially Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Shardul Thakur and Ravichandran Ashwin.

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India is seriously missing Rohit who could have changed the results of some of these matches since Rahul is clearly out of form recently. Players like Pant keep letting the team down again and again consistently.

The team is actually depending way more on lower order batsman like Thakur, Chahar etc in recent times which says a lot. This particular South African team keeps impressing me.

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Quote from: teosanru on January 23, 2022, 01:09:05 PM

Yes true i was very confident about India winning this match and Deepak chahar made it look as if India will easily clinch the game but after his wicket match looked dead. I am surprised to see india getting whitewashed by underdogs south africa, this is the Indian team that has to get ready for the world cup next year. Even though world cup is going to be on the home ground for India which is very favourable for them still I feel this team isn't really robust enough to fight in the world cup

A very sad end of Indian cricket team tour to SA, apart from 1st test they lost every game here. This tour must be an easy win for India but they end up having a whitewash in ODIs. Meanwhile its a good sign for SA cricket, this shows that they are not totally down and out rather have spark to play quality cricket.

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India lost this match by 4 runs. That wicket of Deepak chahar again changed the match and india lost all their wicket in 283 runs. Chahar batted brilliantly and bough in back in the contest. But in that situation he should have stayed till the end and win the match for India.

Deepak Chahar had brought some hope for India with his thrilling performance. This match was full of excitement in the death overs for his performance. India was going to loss the match, but he brought the hope back for them. Anyway, India got whitewashed by South Africa. I was thinking that India will win the last match, unfortunately the lost it by 4 runs only.

Yes true i was very confident about India winning this match and Deepak chahar made it look as if India will easily clinch the game but after his wicket match looked dead. I am surprised to see india getting whitewashed by underdogs south africa, this is the Indian team that has to get ready for the world cup next year. Even though world cup is going to be on the home ground for India which is very favourable for them still I feel this team isn't really robust enough to fight in the world cup

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Quote from: Lordshiva on January 23, 2022, 11:55:15 AM

India lost this match by 4 runs. That wicket of Deepak chahar again changed the match and india lost all their wicket in 283 runs. Chahar batted brilliantly and bough in back in the contest. But in that situation he should have stayed till the end and win the match for India.

Deepak Chahar had brought some hope for India with his thrilling performance. This match was full of excitement in the death overs for his performance. India was going to loss the match, but he brought the hope back for them. Anyway, India got whitewashed by South Africa. I was thinking that India will win the last match, unfortunately the lost it by 4 runs only.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on January 23, 2022, 12:09:32 PM

I can't believe that India lost his match when they were so close to a win. Even if Deepak Chahar was out and could not finish the match for India but what about the rest of the batsmen. Jasprit Bumrah and Yuzvendra Chahal should have scored 8 runs in 13 balls but unfortunately, they could not do so. Quinton de Kock played some great innings in this series and he deserved the man of the series.

It is really a pathetic display from India and I remember the last tour of India to South Africa where India dominated the host in all departments and won the ODI series as well as Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav were peak in their form at those times. Now, India is struggling under new coach and captain and I guess it would be too blender mistake from India management to change both of these role at a same time as transition is becoming too hard unnecessarily.

Another thing, India need to address immediately is, hectic schedule of matches. India must be the only country, I guess keeps on playing since last T20 WC and in next 2 months, IPL will start again and not sure what are series are scheduled in between for those 2 months of time as revenue is the only goal for BCCI and performance is only next to that, it seems.

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