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Quote from: laurenB7742 on September 26, 2021, 02:55:53 AM

The Indian women's team had a great win against the Australian women's team. This is their first win in the series. In women's cricket, the Australian team is much stronger than any other team. Winning against them is challenging for any team. Congratulations to the Indian women's team, they have done a great job and they have beaten Australia.

Yes.. Australia and England are a step ahead of the rest, as far as women's cricket is concerned. Does that really surprise you? CA and ECB have invested heavily in women's cricket, unlike the BCCI. Despite a lot of requests for the WIPL, the BCCI has refused to come up with a franchise league for the women cricketers. They are now asking the national women's players to take part in WBBL and the Women's Hundred. How shameful is this? They are effectively saying that they don't have any money for the women's players and therefore they can play in tournaments organized by the CA and ECB. Is the development of women's cricket in India the responsibility of the Australian and English boards?

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 26, 2021, 02:44:48 AM

Was watching the India Women match and they need just 8 runs in the last two overs, they had a good start but they lost wickets in the middle and i really wanted to see them win the match in Australia. I hope they can control their nerves and take the team to victory as Sneh Rana and the experience of Jhulan Goswami is more than enough to rotate the strike and take the team to a victory.
I thought India would choke once again but Goswami sealed the victory for India.

The Indian women's team had a great win against the Australian women's team. This is their first win in the series. In women's cricket, the Australian team is much stronger than any other team. Winning against them is challenging for any team. Congratulations to the Indian women's team, they have done a great job and they have beaten Australia.

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Was watching the India Women match and they need just 8 runs in the last two overs, they had a good start but they lost wickets in the middle and i really wanted to see them win the match in Australia. I hope they can control their nerves and take the team to victory as Sneh Rana and the experience of Jhulan Goswami is more than enough to rotate the strike and take the team to a victory.

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Sneh Rana is gone, went for a big hit, just 2 more wickets left and 6 runs from 8 balls, singles please.

I thought India would choke once again but Goswami sealed the victory for India.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2021, 10:00:57 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 25, 2021, 11:42:09 AM

Another important update.

BCCI also gave green light to next domestic season. Hope everything goes well, fingers crossed.

- Starts on 28 Sep 2021 and run till 2 April 2022
- Bio bubble setup in 25 cities, Partnering with Apollo hospitals.
- 13 tournaments with 1054 domestic matches in the 2021-22 season Shocked

(Previous seasons had more games but this is still very big considering pandemic)
- Irani Trophy (Series between Ranji Winner and Rest of India), Duleep Trophy are excluded.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/119175/bcci-to-conduct-13-tournaments-1054-domestic-games-in-2021-22-season

So we will have the 4-day competition after a gap of three years? If I was not wrong, the Ranji trophy was last played in 2019. Now they are not taking the COVID situation that seriously, because almost everyone is either fully or partially vaccinated and even in case someone is infected the chances are that it will not result in hospitalization. Given the lax attitude towards quarantine and other preventive measures, I am not sure whether bio-bubbles are practical for thousands of players. Who is going to make sure that there is no breach?

Yeah, 2020-21 season got cancelled due to covid.

Vaccination drive is going okay, cases are going down and they can't afford to cancel another season so can understand their POV. Well they are partnering with the hospitals and hotels for a reason but I agree that monitoring the large pool of players could be daunting task, let's see. Would be great if they can avoid Maharashtra, Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Andhra venues, although i know its not going to happen specially with Maharashtra case.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 25, 2021, 11:42:09 AM

Another important update.

BCCI also gave green light to next domestic season. Hope everything goes well, fingers crossed.

- Starts on 28 Sep 2021 and run till 2 April 2022
- Bio bubble setup in 25 cities, Partnering with Apollo hospitals.
- 13 tournaments with 1054 domestic matches in the 2021-22 season Shocked

(Previous seasons had more games but this is still very big considering pandemic)
- Irani Trophy (Series between Ranji Winner and Rest of India), Duleep Trophy are excluded.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/119175/bcci-to-conduct-13-tournaments-1054-domestic-games-in-2021-22-season

So we will have the 4-day competition after a gap of three years? If I was not wrong, the Ranji trophy was last played in 2019. Now they are not taking the COVID situation that seriously, because almost everyone is either fully or partially vaccinated and even in case someone is infected the chances are that it will not result in hospitalization. Given the lax attitude towards quarantine and other preventive measures, I am not sure whether bio-bubbles are practical for thousands of players. Who is going to make sure that there is no breach?

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 21, 2021, 03:14:14 AM

BCCI announced India's 2021-22 home season schedule. Let's hope no more covid drama.

Also one good announcement for domestic cricketers

https://twitter.com/JayShah/status/1439887126049394690

Another important update.

BCCI also gave green light to next domestic season. Hope everything goes well, fingers crossed.

- Starts on 28 Sep 2021 and run till 2 April 2022
- Bio bubble setup in 25 cities, Partnering with Apollo hospitals.
- 13 tournaments with 1054 domestic matches in the 2021-22 season Shocked

(Previous seasons had more games but this is still very big considering pandemic)
- Irani Trophy (Series between Ranji Winner and Rest of India), Duleep Trophy are excluded.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/119175/bcci-to-conduct-13-tournaments-1054-domestic-games-in-2021-22-season

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 24, 2021, 07:28:17 PM

The fact is that small boards have always said yes no matter what was the condition because they need revenue. Big boards are already generating good revenue therefore they show their tantrums. Small boards have tried their level best to increase revenue but till now they have been struggling, until then the situation will remain the same.

^ I agree with you the boards are independent organizations but they have to obey when the government gives out any instructions. What I feel like is that the NZL board thought that the tour was safe for them and maybe at the very last moment they got some news or rumor or something by which they felt threatened and they were forced to pull out of the series. We all know what had happened with Sri Lanka in Pakistan so it is very normal for the government and the board to be extra careful with these kinds of issues.

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 24, 2021, 09:48:52 PM

Again.. there is no point in blaming the cricket boards, when the decision is taken by the government. In this case, the New Zealand government asked the NZC to pull out of Pakistan and they complied with that. If the Bangladesh government ask the BCB to do the same in future, then I am afraid that the BCB will be forced to do so. On paper, the cricket boards are independent entities. But in security related matters, they need to follow the government directives. As far as I know, this is a political issue and need to be resolved between the governments. Let's leave the cricket boards for now.

^^ I have to disagree with you mate. You have to understand how humiliating this is for the Pakistan Board. I'm not saying that you have to play with your life at risk, what I'm saying is, you should have done enough research about your tour before playing that right? And teams are already frightened to play in Pakistan and this gesture from the NZL Board may have put the future of cricket playing in Pakistan in doubt.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 24, 2021, 07:28:17 PM

The fact is that small boards have always said yes no matter what was the condition because they need revenue. Big boards are already generating good revenue therefore they show their tantrums. Small boards have tried their level best to increase revenue but till now they have been struggling, until then the situation will remain the same.

Again.. there is no point in blaming the cricket boards, when the decision is taken by the government. In this case, the New Zealand government asked the NZC to pull out of Pakistan and they complied with that. If the Bangladesh government ask the BCB to do the same in future, then I am afraid that the BCB will be forced to do so. On paper, the cricket boards are independent entities. But in security related matters, they need to follow the government directives. As far as I know, this is a political issue and need to be resolved between the governments. Let's leave the cricket boards for now.

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Quote from: ene1980 on September 23, 2021, 06:40:55 PM

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County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

If they could make the same pitches for international cricket that would be great, the game now a days favors the batsman and they need to be bowler friendly as well just to test the players and which county matches are you talking about that ends in a couple of days. I am not a big fan of watching all the matches but i am curious to know which matches are bowler friendly as i would like to see those matches.

English County cricket

Pitch was way too much seam friendly that 2-3 match got over under 2 days at the exactly same time. These pitches attracted some attention and fair amount of backlace when England's team got bowled out in 1 session at lord's against the Indian team and failed to bat whole day during the 4th Oval Test.

Argument was England batters don't have mindset to bat longer because of such system and obviously can't face spin as they hardly face any spinner in County, also English seamers-batters are not equipped for flat pitches. One commentator said that we can't play spin in India, we can't play on flat pitch and their seamers bullying us at our own backyard.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 24, 2021, 11:17:09 AM

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I remember the terrorist incident at Christchurch. 51 people died and a few of the Bangladesh players narrowly escaped from getting shot at. But the difference here is that the Bangladesh government decided that it is safe to continue with the tour and conveyed the message to the BCB. In case of New Zealand team in Pakistan, it was different. The directive came from the New Zealand government to abandon the tour, and CNZ just followed the order. So these two incidents are not directly comparable.

If the Bangladesh government or the Bangladesh cricket board thought that and made a decision that it is not safe for Bangladesh players to play the series when there was an attack in New Zealand they could have called the team home but they never did. If New Zealand government and their cricket board feels that there is a threat to the team, then they can call the team home and that is what they have done.

The fact is that small boards have always said yes no matter what was the condition because they need revenue. Big boards are already generating good revenue therefore they show their tantrums. Small boards have tried their level best to increase revenue but till now they have been struggling, until then the situation will remain the same.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 24, 2021, 11:17:09 AM

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I remember the terrorist incident at Christchurch. 51 people died and a few of the Bangladesh players narrowly escaped from getting shot at. But the difference here is that the Bangladesh government decided that it is safe to continue with the tour and conveyed the message to the BCB. In case of New Zealand team in Pakistan, it was different. The directive came from the New Zealand government to abandon the tour, and CNZ just followed the order. So these two incidents are not directly comparable.

If the Bangladesh government or the Bangladesh cricket board thought that and made a decision that it is not safe for Bangladesh players to play the series when there was an attack in New Zealand they could have called the team home but they never did. If New Zealand government and their cricket board feels that there is a threat to the team, then they can call the team home and that is what they have done.

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Quote from: bitgov on September 24, 2021, 12:40:32 AM

Everyday is not Sunday. We saw a situation where Bangladesh cricket team just escaped a massacre on Muslim worship place but small boards didn't made any issue out of it and continue there tour's to NZ. Definatly big 3 will need support of other boards in the long run. Who knows we may have something bigger then ipl from small boards in years to come.

I remember the terrorist incident at Christchurch. 51 people died and a few of the Bangladesh players narrowly escaped from getting shot at. But the difference here is that the Bangladesh government decided that it is safe to continue with the tour and conveyed the message to the BCB. In case of New Zealand team in Pakistan, it was different. The directive came from the New Zealand government to abandon the tour, and CNZ just followed the order. So these two incidents are not directly comparable.

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Quote from: ene1980 on September 24, 2021, 07:21:51 AM

I placed a bet on Australian women to win the match but it looks like India Women has an opportunity here to win the match as they need to score at 8.57 runs per over which i think is an impossible task even though they have wickets in hand. Australia Women need 80 runs in 56 balls and it looks like i need to cash out, good play India women.

Australia wins by five wickets with a thrilling last ball. It was an amazing comeback from Australia, but the fielding by India was poor. They dropped catches, runs were missed, and stumpings were missed. The team deserved to lose! My hat's off to the Aussie women Beth Mooney, who displayed grit in all 50 overs of Australia's chase and was named Player of the Match. Moreover, Australia deserved to win. Congratulations on your win @ene1980.

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I placed a bet on Australian women to win the match but it looks like India Women has an opportunity here to win the match as they need to score at 8.57 runs per over which i think is an impossible task even though they have wickets in hand. Australia Women need 80 runs in 56 balls and it looks like i need to cash out, good play India women.

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on September 23, 2021, 04:44:18 PM

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Everyday is not Sunday. We saw a situation where Bangladesh cricket team just escaped a massacre on Muslim worship place but small boards didn't made any issue out of it and continue there tour's to NZ. Definatly big 3 will need support of other boards in the long run. Who knows we may have something bigger then ipl from small boards in years to come.

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The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

What do you expect differently, do you think they can move against any cricket board that are funding them. What can the ICC do in situation like this, ban the board that are giving them the most funds and hence they can cut down on the funding to all the small cricket boards, are you happy if there is a situation like this or do you think they can do in situations like these.

Not like that. There is no need to ban them. But they must be informed of their limitations. Since the non-existence of the ICC still exists, no cricket board can make all decisions individually. The ICC should have been informed about this. They are the main source of funding for the ICC. Of course they will take advantage of some extra opportunities. That is why it is difficult to accept that they will take all decisions without the permission of the ICC.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 23, 2021, 10:59:58 PM

I agree to a certain extent that BCCI influences ICC decisions, but think practically without BCCI IPL many boards would be facing revenues crunch, and they pay to all the boards whose player’s are participating so it’s a win win for all.

Also as fans we wanted more T20 so what was ICC going to do ignore the fans voices?, and now when we have more T20 we blame ICC for not doing enough not sure who’s to be blamed the fans or ICC?.

IPL benefits only a few boards such as WICB, CA, ECB and CNZ (because the IPL pays 20% of the player's salary as foreigner release fee). Smaller boards as well as the PCB don't benefit, as they don't have anyone from their country playing in the IPL. And I don't know whether the ICC receives anything from the IPL revenues (my guess is that they don't).

Now coming to T20, I agree that this is the most popular format as of now. But the ICC is still headed by traditionalists and for them the test cricket is first priority. Take the case with any full member. On average, the national teams spend 50-60 days each playing test cricket every year. For ODI, this waters down to 20-30 days, and for T20I, the number is even lower.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 23, 2021, 08:17:07 PM

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Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Cricket is no more a gentlemen game. When money is involved you will always support that board which makes more money than those who rely on it. It is not BCCI's fault that they have created a tournament that pays well not only to the players but to other boards associated with it. ICC does not have anything to do with domestic tournaments but the governing body has representatives who are part of the poor board. Why don't these members raise their voices against such issues? You cannot blame only the rich boards here.

I agree to a certain extent that BCCI influences ICC decisions, but think practically without BCCI IPL many boards would be facing revenues crunch, and they pay to all the boards whose player’s are participating so it’s a win win for all.

Also as fans we wanted more T20 so what was ICC going to do ignore the fans voices?, and now when we have more T20 we blame ICC for not doing enough not sure who’s to be blamed the fans or ICC?.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 23, 2021, 06:34:59 PM

I wouldn't say that quality is not there. You can easily find 8-10 quality teams who can beat any SENA country domestic team here in India 9 out of 10 times and able to put good show in SENA country against local teams. Even 3-4 local teams can give good scare to any touring team (intl), we have seen this in the past countless time.

County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

In county cricket, almost all of the 18 teams are at the same level. But in the Indian domestic cricket, out of the 38 teams you have 4-5 extremely good teams such as Karnataka, Delhi and Mumbai, and then on the other end of the spectrum you have a few teams who are there just to make up the numbers (Sikkim, Mizoram.etc). Personally I favor organizing Indian domestic cricket in the form of zonal sides - such as Northern Zone and Central Zone. There are too many state sides and the quality gets diluted when you form the state-based squads.

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Quote from: add1ct3dd on September 23, 2021, 04:44:18 PM

Quote from: bitgov on September 23, 2021, 01:31:15 PM

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Cricket is no more a gentlemen game. When money is involved you will always support that board which makes more money than those who rely on it. It is not BCCI's fault that they have created a tournament that pays well not only to the players but to other boards associated with it. ICC does not have anything to do with domestic tournaments but the governing body has representatives who are part of the poor board. Why don't these members raise their voices against such issues? You cannot blame only the rich boards here.

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