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Yes I am sorry you are a dipshit.

I am out not because of lack of faith in Terrahash, they got fucked by the folks who didn't deliver their chips.

So me being out is a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in Avalon being able to deliver any time soon.

As I recall your whining and gnashing of teeth was all about "it's a scam" "I want to see proof of this and that"
"they haven't replied to anything, they made off with our money"

I still believe none of that.

terrahash, did you select DHL shipping? If so, you can see if any Avalon orders are incoming...

Joe,
I think an apology is in order!

I believe you made the wise choice, let's say TH get their chips in the next 3 weeks, then they have another 3 weeks to get them all out the door (absolute best case scenario) in 6 weeks your ROI is impossible. You are actually ahead of the curve on the flood of refund requests that will be coming in the next 3 weeks.

P.S. i am out too

I'll believe it if/when people start receiving chips.
If it's actually true, then it figures the news would come after I committed to getting out lol
But as I said before, I've made my choice and I'll stick with it and live with it

From http://www.avalon-asics.com/

Your right I apologies.  What I meant to say is I hope you receive what you ordered on time.

Not sure why that's necessary. Between the increasing difficulty, lack of information on chips, there are plenty of things to consider when looking to back out of this. Obviously, the one saving grace could be an increase in value of BTC. While this might be a bit of a stretch, people mined Bitcoins for little profit for a long time in the beginning, and they were rewarded. Do I really believe it could happen again? I'm not convinced it could, but the unexpected often happens.

The comment you made just does nothing but tick off those that are "stuck" in this purchase without an option to back out at this point.

I do wish a serious conversation could be had about why TH ignores all tickets. I mean, I get the refund issue, they are really stuck with that one, but even to respond with a: "We're sorry, our refund policy as of June xx, was to not issue refunds", however they don't even do that. Maybe legally, that's what they are being told to do, as being based in the US, especially CA, there are a bunch of things that could cause them grief if they documented their stance further than what they posted on their site.

But what about the more simple requests, such as address change, questions about ownership transfer, or status issues? Why would TH choose not to respond at all to those? It makes little sense to me. Being busy is one possibility, but has anyone actually heard back from opening a ticket and not having to stalk them by calling 100 times or showing up to their door?

Also, the fact that they threatened someone when they first did a Paypal chargeback (not me, as I heard nothing, but as mentioned I did cancel it on my own, only later to file a chargeback with my CC this past week) didn't sit very well with me. I imagine pre-orders will open again to pick up the charged back orders (there are a lot more than the ones posted here), but if things stay the same with the ROI, I wonder how many will be lining up for new orders at the same price. Then if they lower the price, they piss everyone else off. It's a tough spot, but such is the risk of starting a business, especially with other people's money.

TAKE NOTE! Abandon this crap.

Well, I'm out.  I've had no response to my cancellation request since 8/13/13, not even one telling me to FOAD, so I made the decision to commit and filed a dispute with my CC bank due to merchant's lack of ability to deliver merchandise or provide even an estimate of when they will be able to.

I'm sure some will think I'm a rotten person for it, and that's their opinion.  The truth of the matter is, while I recognize that TH isn't the root cause of the problem here, I don't believe I'll ever see my merchandise so I will fight for my money back and let TH go after Bitsyncom for their losses.  For better or worse this is the way the civil legal system for disputes is designed to work in the US.

Sure, I could wait for TH to go after Bitsyncom first, but I see 2 problems with that.  First, I run the risk of the statute of limitations passing; Second, even if TH sued Bitsyncom and won (since I don't believe for one second that they'll refund money willingly) they will have spent a lot of money on legal costs and they still would have to try to actually collect on that judgment.  That whole process could take years and we still would likely only get partial refunds, which would (legally speaking) still leave TH on the hook for the balance - but by then the statute of limitations for a small claims suit would be past and there would be no legal recourse to force them to pay it.

So to all who are sticking it out - I hope it works out for you some way somehow.  Good luck to you, you have hardier stomachs than I do; and if you're further down than very low 600s in the orders in the queue, you should be raising up one, unless for some strange reason my bank decides to deny my dispute.

^^^ True about the spreadsheet, but bear in mind I have multiple accounts (terrahash) for group buys and other reasons.

I really look forward to it...

Not very likely, maybe a more cheap offer to us on BF miners the most I expect..

Since Terrahash stated they might be using Bitfury's chips, i would not mind them doing something like a trade in value.. Where we trade in our current order and use that to fund the development of the bitfury boards and chips..

I mean seriously at this point the order i have with Terrahash, will never make ROI. I Just dont see the point.

So true..

gets more and more depressing... should just sell my K64 and K16 and use the money to take a vacation..sigh

Don't forget the other 600,000 chips that are likely to be used. That alone will leap frog difficulty in addition to those companies whether they come out with chips or not.

While I didn't touch avalon chips, i feel for those going through this mess.   really sucks.

Not for the DIY community that purchased chips, not for Terrahash, or AlphaHPC, or LSD, or BitCentury, or BKKCoins, or Burnin, or any of the others..  Yifu screwed us all bigtime.

Something tells me its not going to end well.