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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 16, 2013, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 05:49:14 PM

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Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 04:21:19 PM

Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

Its not. Its already too late if you figure the difficulty increase. The ship has sailed. Had we got our units on the 15th at the latest, we probably would have ROIed. We should have had them earlier and we would have profited some.

Hey who knows...Terrahash may throw us all a little bonus to our favor, to help offset that difficulty increase. Even a bonus k16 or two, for half price or something creative that won't break their bank and would satsify all those who have hung tight and have suffered a difficulty increase while waiting. Now that would calm things down,,lol, IF the chips actually are enroute.

I am about to issue a claim with my credit card and get a refund, but I'd consider not doing that if TH were to offer up more K64 boards for my partially full DX-Large so I have some potential for ROI. Otherwise, I'll let Discover duke it out with them.

ya, same boat here Sad

I don't see how you can force Terrahash in that position. It's not like they ordered extra chips because they knew they were going o shafted by Cloudhashing AND Bitsyncom.

You took the risk. And your products are almost here.

WHAT! nobody said anything about "forcing" anyone to do anything....quit trying to put words (text) in other peoples mouths/post in here...I just think it would be nice of them do to something special on their own for us...Now if your not interested in anything they may would like to do for us,,,than don't participate! We all know they owe us nothing more than the boards we ordered! DUHhhhh and quit twisting peoples words around for your retarted point of view.

Bitoy

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We just received 60 sample chips from Avalon. Apparently from the 20,000 chips order we placed on June 20th. There was no status updated on the order page, and we never received a tracking number. As knightlife pointed, some other people who placed order around the same time have received chips in the last couple days in the same fashion.

Suggestion, create k16 boards from the sample chips and raffle it your customers ( got the idea from Sebastian's group

Vigil

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Quote from: ak49er on August 16, 2013, 06:40:27 PM

Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 06:22:58 PM

To be honest, no one really "took the risk". We all purchased based on verbal contract that things would be delivered within a certain time-frame. If they weren't delivered, then contract was violated. It isn't up to any purchaser to own up to the late boards/chips, they have every right to pursue any legal course of action to remedy the situation. No purchaser is at fault.

TH isn't going to send everyone extra boards or gen 2 boards for free and it won't matter anyway, the window of opportunity is closed or almost closed. Difficulty will be at or above 75 M by the time anyone here gets thier boards and will within two weeks be up to 100M. You needed to be mining through the pre 50M and 50M diff to hit your ROI.

Very true that no purchaser is at fault, but every purchaser most definitely took a risk when they pre-ordered with the full knowledge that a product didn't exist. They took that risk so that they could be the first with the new boards.

I signed up for the emails from Terrahash before they opened up pre-orders. I ultimately decided not to order because I wasn't prepared to take the risk of missed delivery. I knew that that would put me behind the curve if they ever got the items to a point where I could order and get delivery within a few days to a week, but that's what I was most comfortable doing. If I had more liquid assets to invest I might have seen things differently, but I definitely made the decision based on risk. If anyone paid Terrahash money on a promise of goods and didn't see it as a risk, however trusting they were, then they're fools. That's not to say that they don't deserve refunds if they want, or the goods they've purchased ASAP, but beyond that I don't see that they're owed anything for loss of ROI.

The only risk they took was that they may have to use legal or PayPal/CC means to recoup their money in the case they weren't delivered on time or at all. They are owed, in a legal sense, any losses which they incurred due to late delivery. It doesn't always work out that the business has the assets to fulfill that and they often declare bankruptcy.

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Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 06:22:58 PM

To be honest, no one really "took the risk". We all purchased based on verbal contract that things would be delivered within a certain time-frame. If they weren't delivered, then contract was violated. It isn't up to any purchaser to own up to the late boards/chips, they have every right to pursue any legal course of action to remedy the situation. No purchaser is at fault.

TH isn't going to send everyone extra boards or gen 2 boards for free and it won't matter anyway, the window of opportunity is closed or almost closed. Difficulty will be at or above 75 M by the time anyone here gets thier boards and will within two weeks be up to 100M. You needed to be mining through the pre 50M and 50M diff to hit your ROI.

Very true that no purchaser is at fault, but every purchaser most definitely took a risk when they pre-ordered with the full knowledge that a product didn't exist. They took that risk so that they could be the first with the new boards.

I signed up for the emails from Terrahash before they opened up pre-orders. I ultimately decided not to order because I wasn't prepared to take the risk of missed delivery. I knew that that would put me behind the curve if they ever got the items to a point where I could order and get delivery within a few days to a week, but that's what I was most comfortable doing. If I had more liquid assets to invest I might have seen things differently, but I definitely made the decision based on risk. If anyone paid Terrahash money on a promise of goods and didn't see it as a risk, however trusting they were, then they're fools. That's not to say that they don't deserve refunds if they want, or the goods they've purchased ASAP, but beyond that I don't see that they're owed anything for loss of ROI.

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terrahash already said they would open up some more pre assembled boards, if they can get more chips.

on a different note, I think the hash rate increase is gonna stabalize after we hit 150 mil difficulty. Already you are seeing companies offering special deals because they cant sell anymore, and no one is gonna take a chance on a preorder after this. so we are gonna see about 300-500 TH from gen 1 and 2 chips, then maybe another 5-6 hundred TH after that..... so with 150 GH you should still be seeing a return of .366 btc per day at the end of this year or 10 a month.... maybe a 1:1 return in 9 months, and maybe even a 20% ROI by the end of the hardwares lifetime

of course this is just me being hopeful

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To be honest, no one really "took the risk". We all purchased based on verbal contract that things would be delivered within a certain time-frame. If they weren't delivered, then contract was violated. It isn't up to any purchaser to own up to the late boards/chips, they have every right to pursue any legal course of action to remedy the situation. No purchaser is at fault.

TH isn't going to send everyone extra boards or gen 2 boards for free and it won't matter anyway, the window of opportunity is closed or almost closed. Difficulty will be at or above 75 M by the time anyone here gets thier boards and will within two weeks be up to 100M. You needed to be mining through the pre 50M and 50M diff to hit your ROI.

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i too would keep my order if terrahash helped us along here. No point buying if no ROI.

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Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 05:49:14 PM

Quote from: bebfoo on August 16, 2013, 05:46:00 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 05:11:00 PM

Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 04:21:19 PM

Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

Its not. Its already too late if you figure the difficulty increase. The ship has sailed. Had we got our units on the 15th at the latest, we probably would have ROIed. We should have had them earlier and we would have profited some.

Hey who knows...Terrahash may throw us all a little bonus to our favor, to help offset that difficulty increase. Even a bonus k16 or two, for half price or something creative that won't break their bank and would satsify all those who have hung tight and have suffered a difficulty increase while waiting. Now that would calm things down,,lol, IF the chips actually are enroute.

I am about to issue a claim with my credit card and get a refund, but I'd consider not doing that if TH were to offer up more K64 boards for my partially full DX-Large so I have some potential for ROI. Otherwise, I'll let Discover duke it out with them.

ya, same boat here Sad

I don't see how you can force Terrahash in that position. It's not like they ordered extra chips because they knew they were going o shafted by Cloudhashing AND Bitsyncom.

You took the risk. And your products are almost here.

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Quote from: bebfoo on August 16, 2013, 05:46:00 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 05:11:00 PM

Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 04:21:19 PM

Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

Its not. Its already too late if you figure the difficulty increase. The ship has sailed. Had we got our units on the 15th at the latest, we probably would have ROIed. We should have had them earlier and we would have profited some.

Hey who knows...Terrahash may throw us all a little bonus to our favor, to help offset that difficulty increase. Even a bonus k16 or two, for half price or something creative that won't break their bank and would satsify all those who have hung tight and have suffered a difficulty increase while waiting. Now that would calm things down,,lol, IF the chips actually are enroute.

I am about to issue a claim with my credit card and get a refund, but I'd consider not doing that if TH were to offer up more K64 boards for my partially full DX-Large so I have some potential for ROI. Otherwise, I'll let Discover duke it out with them.

ya, same boat here Sad

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Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 05:11:00 PM

Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 04:21:19 PM

Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

Its not. Its already too late if you figure the difficulty increase. The ship has sailed. Had we got our units on the 15th at the latest, we probably would have ROIed. We should have had them earlier and we would have profited some.

Hey who knows...Terrahash may throw us all a little bonus to our favor, to help offset that difficulty increase. Even a bonus k16 or two, for half price or something creative that won't break their bank and would satsify all those who have hung tight and have suffered a difficulty increase while waiting. Now that would calm things down,,lol, IF the chips actually are enroute.

I am about to issue a claim with my credit card and get a refund, but I'd consider not doing that if TH were to offer up more K64 boards for my partially full DX-Large so I have some potential for ROI. Otherwise, I'll let Discover duke it out with them.

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130k chips... so thats 13 orders lol HIGHLY doubt thats going towards terrahash

haha

MinermanNC

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Quote from: Vigil on August 16, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 04:21:19 PM

Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

Its not. Its already too late if you figure the difficulty increase. The ship has sailed. Had we got our units on the 15th at the latest, we probably would have ROIed. We should have had them earlier and we would have profited some.

Hey who knows...Terrahash may throw us all a little bonus to our favor, to help offset that difficulty increase. Even a bonus k16 or two, for half price or something creative that won't break their bank and would satsify all those who have hung tight and have suffered a difficulty increase while waiting. Now that would calm things down,,lol, IF the chips actually are enroute.

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Quote from: MinermanNC on August 16, 2013, 04:21:19 PM

Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

Its not. Its already too late if you figure the difficulty increase. The ship has sailed. Had we got our units on the 15th at the latest, we probably would have ROIed. We should have had them earlier and we would have profited some.

MinermanNC

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Very vague at best... who was it that was calculating orders vs shipments? so out of 130k chips who can expect how much and when?
Do we/TH stand a chance, if this is really so? coud be another stall and delay move....from yifu. He is good a stringing people along. Lets hope its real.

MinermanNC

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Quote from: bitcoin carpenter on August 16, 2013, 03:59:53 PM

130000 chips just sent out Shocked

Yes, for the for whatever its worth department ...lol

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Ignore Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013
Today at 08:54:16 PM #1168

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at the moment of writing, another 130k chips have gone out, and will proceed to ship more as we get them. ( and no, they are not samples.)

Vigil

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Just did an estimation over at http://www.coinish.com/calc/#. Assuming an 11.7% reduction in profitability each week, I won't make $300 over the course of a year with 18 GH/s. Had we got these when we were supposed to I would have broke even around 30 days.

At some point, not sure when, the difficulty rise will drop-off drastically. This probably won't be for another year or two - once the mining companies start maximizing the ASIC performance.

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130000 chips just sent out Shocked

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Quote from: BitSyncom on August 16, 2013, 03:54:16 PM

at the moment of writing, another 130k chips have gone out, and will proceed to ship more as we get them. ( and no, they are not samples.)

For now, I'm still hoping that the TH chips will arrive very soon Grin

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I decided I am going to ebay my terrahash account with 1 18 gigahash miner that is currently set to be hosted by terrahash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261266406528&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123

Incase anyone wants it.

If you pay with a bid on bitcoin, it's actually cheaper than paying with paypal when terrahash first started selling.

Vigil

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How can B1 and B2 orders not been delivered yet they are sending out B3? Did the purchase order info just get lost and Avalon thinks they were all fulfilled in B1 and B2? That doesn't really add up.

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