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August 07, 2013, 08:12:41 PM
lets just redirect our brain powers in pushing terrahash for answers...

Where are these overdue promised items:
1. Pictures of the DX Mini
2. Picture of a completed Klondike 16 w/ heat sink
3. Hashing rate reaching promised rate (not prototype.. i'd expect terrahash to have this down by now hopefully)
4. Invoice/POs of all components
5. Project timing for each step (project management style)

We will all rest better and be more willing to wait when we see those listed.

Otherwise, we feel like we need a refund. Simply because you've over promised and under delivered so far.
Time to rectify the Public Relations trajectory if you want repeat customers.

Terrahash, You dont have a product problem (crossing my fingers), you have a relationship problem with your customers.

We're back to this again? It's only been a few weeks and we're back to demanding proof of things??
We have seen their chip orders, seen them basically get endorsed by BKKcoins, seen them get their board hashing, seen their offices, and seen them take a regular part in the forum. Now you are saying you need to see POs for parts, finished boards (though the chips aren't here yet), and their project management plan? I think Terrahash has provided everything we need to see to know that they are legitimate. Do you need to see their credit card statements and home utility bills too? I'm with Joe on this, we just need to know when the chips arrive. That is all that matters. That is not something TH can control. Everyone is waiting for Yifu to send the chips. I would recommend reading this entire thread and spare us the fear mongering. This is the same garbage we see on other threads.... we need to see proof of.... you name it.

When I managed forex accounts I always told my clients "do not invest your rent". Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. But, I'll take it one step further, don't invest if you don't have the stomach for it. We all bought pre-orders, which the delivery of said pre-orders had multiple variables. Some of the variables are controlled by our seller, in this case TH. I think they have been working to hold up their end of things. The most important factor, chips, are not in their control. I don't think showing us a PO for pcbs and heatsinks is going to change our circumstances. You'll just demand to see something else next week. I personally verified that TH is legitimate and has the stated number of chips on order. They have contributed to BKK's work on the K16, which can be verified in his thread. I live a little over an hour from TH and have visited them twice. I do not see a need to go there now and check for boxes of heatsinks and pcbs. Even if I did, I'm sure some people would complain about something else and demand proof thereof. Read other threads and you'll see that everyone is upset about Avalon not sending the chips on time. Someone mentioned that only a small group of us are holding our orders? I'm sure the majority of people who ordered are holding their orders. Unless you spend 5-10x the original cost of a board or miner on ebay, you are waiting. Doesn't really matter who you buy from at this point. You could buy 100 asicminer usbs...

I want to note that TH told me that when they bought the 2 additional early May pre-orders (from an individual in the bay area) they did so at a premium. They wanted to make sure that there would be enough chips for all of us to be in the "first batch". I think they have done a lot to try to accommodate us and make sure that we all get what we paid for in a timely manner. Their money is tied up in paying for all of the parts that will complete our boards.

In some ways, I wish they would refund people asking for it, so we could buy your extra boards and be done with your complaining in this thread. nuff said.

Ya know, i appreciated that you went out there and took those videos and showed us the work in progress-klondike unit and I thought "wow! what a swell guy! we are lucky to have members in the community that will make this bitcoin work!". But now I am going through reading your pro-terrahash posts and talking down anyone who has ANY doubts whatsoever, I think I have to re-evaluate that initial misled thought.

I get it, you're not here to make friends.
And yes, I get it, Terrahash is at the mercy of Avalon
And no, I am not interested in arguing with you or trying to bestow the same kindness you've shown me or anyone with doubts and concerns about their orders.

BUT

What I AM interested in, is whether or not Terrahash has performed all the obligations to their customers (less avalon chips) to fulfill the orders.
I cannot fathom why anyone would not welcome this request for common courtesy that we, the customers, are entitled to.
(unless some units were furnished with sample chip shipments received to certain individuals for crowd control perhaps? Like the Nazis provided preferential treatment to certain selected jews to keep them marching into the gas chambers)

Let me put it this way, my gut tells me that terrahash do NOT have everything they need to mass produce our orders simply based on the inconsistencies of their stories, flip flopping, misleading statements, etc they have publicly displayed thus far.

So let me once again invite Terrahash to clear its name in the public forum once and for all.
If Terrahash cannot, please refund all monies owed immediately as you are no where near meeting your obligations EVEN IF Avalon delivers tomorrow.

Therefore Terrahash is breaking the basic premises (not force majeure in this case, like you have suggested) for which we, misled customers, have willingly taken the risk to provide funds and await patiently for months, interest free.
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August 07, 2013, 07:14:27 PM
I wonder why it is so difficult for Th or any of em to simply call up avalon and ask what the ETA is for their chip order??? Ya know? Do you have to speak Chinese or something...lol


Ahhh Grasshopper I see....
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August 07, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
I wonder why it is so difficult for Th or any of em to simply call up avalon and ask what the ETA is for their chip order??? Ya know? Do you have to speak Chinese or something...lol

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August 07, 2013, 07:12:36 PM
Just read this: In other thread...


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August 07, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
Ok guys, here's the deal. Given the current conditions (rising difficulty, Avalon uncertainty, etc.), a lot of people who ordered chips from Avalon are willing to resell their chips at cost price. This was not true a month ago or so, when we made a deal to acquire two additional orders for a premium (We never bought those orders, but only made a deal to pay a premium once they had chips in hand). We have decided to scrap those deals and instead buy chip orders from people who want to get out by selling their order for the price they paid. We have got 3 offers so far. We will re-open pre-orders after buying these.

We will keep you posted on this development.

Also, all these 3 offers are for May orders.

Any thoughts of using alternative ASIC chips (non-Avalon) to fill orders?
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August 07, 2013, 06:42:11 PM
Ok guys, here's the deal. Given the current conditions (rising difficulty, Avalon uncertainty, etc.), a lot of people who ordered chips from Avalon are willing to resell their chips at cost price. This was not true a month ago or so, when we made a deal to acquire two additional orders for a premium (We never bought those orders, but only made a deal to pay a premium once they had chips in hand). We have decided to scrap those deals and instead buy chip orders from people who want to get out by selling their order for the price they paid. We have got 3 offers so far. We will re-open pre-orders after buying these.

We will keep you posted on this development.

Also, all these 3 offers are for May orders.

Sounds good. Keep us posted. Thanks Amir. Smiley
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August 07, 2013, 06:39:34 PM
That information is no more troubling than the fact that BFL has taken much longer than promised to deliver their orders. Yifu is not answering his phone or replying to emails. Everyone is trying to contact him. Apparently, he doesn't like to answer his phone when people are calling to complain. Many people who have been in past orders with Avalon have said that when he doesn't answer his phone, Avalon is about to ship products. We'll see if that holds true. Avalon has finally started shipping Batch 3 pre-orders the past couple of weeks. It looks like they are holding off of sending the bulk chips to catch up on their batch 3 miners. This isn't us getting scammed yet. It's just Avalon's bad customer service and unreliable order fulfillment procedures. At least Avalon is only 2 months behind and not 12 months+ behind. Everyone is looking for a reason to freak out. Take some xanax and relax. Avalon hasn't bought an island and fled the country or anything. Yifu and Avalon are trying to get into more public offerings. They wouldn't flee with everyone's money.  

I mean, come on.... over a month late? How late are everyone's BFL orders?

yeah except now Bitsyncom is falling apart. Gridchip, their chip designer (you know, the one who posted pictures of this massive amount of packaged AVALON chips to prove it https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2694806) is looking for new partners for his new 40nm chip, and saying things like "people with chips in their hands should consider themselves lucky..." and hinting to big delays at TSMC...

so maybe yifu has disappeared from the face of the earth because he is about to deliver  Roll Eyes or maybe shit is hitting the fan... In fact I may take that xanax anyway.
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August 07, 2013, 06:35:59 PM
Ok guys, here's the deal. Given the current conditions (rising difficulty, Avalon uncertainty, etc.), a lot of people who ordered chips from Avalon are willing to resell their chips at cost price. This was not true a month ago or so, when we made a deal to acquire two additional orders for a premium (We never bought those orders, but only made a deal to pay a premium once they had chips in hand). We have decided to scrap those deals and instead buy chip orders from people who want to get out by selling their order for the price they paid. We have got 3 offers so far. We will re-open pre-orders after buying these.

We will keep you posted on this development.

Also, all these 3 offers are for May orders.

So how many chips do you physically have in house ready to be soldered?
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August 07, 2013, 06:31:31 PM
Of course you will
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August 07, 2013, 05:31:05 PM

I am the customer. I have not received my product nor was I told that there were no refunds available. I did not agree to any terms or conditions that delineated a no refund policy. If I want a refund for whateverthefuckingreason then I deserve one.



The no refunds policy was actually in place before the pre-orders started.  Not their fault you couldn't read.

But Amir told people earlier that refunds would be offered up until the ship date.  The policy was changed 2 days before the order period was opened up. So it was a bit disingenuous.   Undecided

No just before they opened up for orders Cloudhashing who basically fronted them enough cash to get starters with a large order ditched them for another horse and demanded a refund in Bitcoins after Terrahash had already placed an order with Avalon for 10,000 bulk chips.

They were commited to the project by that point and cloudhashing screwed them over. They could't afford to offer refunds or let that happen again.

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August 07, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
I mean, come on.... over a month late? How late are everyone's BFL orders?

You make a valid point, but still not a comforting one.   Undecided   Just because BFL are ridiculous late on their orders shouldn't excuse anyone else from doing the same thing.  If anything, it should be motivation to stick to a stated timeline IMHO, or at least handle the delays more gracefully than BFL has.
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August 07, 2013, 05:00:25 PM
I mean, come on.... over a month late? How late are everyone's BFL orders?

Apples and Oranges man.. No manufacturing involved, just repacking the chips and shipping out.    We know the chips exist, so what is worrying everyone is the lack of communication on the delays.
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August 07, 2013, 04:59:03 PM
That information is no more troubling than the fact that BFL has taken much longer than promised to deliver their orders. Yifu is not answering his phone or replying to emails. Avalon is finally shipping Batch 3 pre-orders the past couple of weeks. It looks like they are holding off of sending the bulk chips to catch up on their batch 3 miners. This isn't us getting scammed yet. It's just Avalon's bad customer service and unreliable order fulfillment procedures. At least Avalon is only 2 months behind and not 12 months+ behind. Everyone is looking for a reason to freak out. Take some xanax and relax. Avalon hasn't bought an island and fled the country or anything. Yifu and Avalon are trying to get into more public offerings. They wouldn't flee with everyone's money.  

I mean, come on.... over a month late? How late are everyone's BFL orders?
Whew I was wondering when you would chime in KL! lol, ya I have been snooping around the forums and news bases and havent seen anything concrete on anyone vanishing with 14 million,,,well at least not yet? lol, I dont mind waiting a little longer,,,but boy what assurances and guarantees does TH or any open source orders get from avalon... A bill of sale in Bitcoin,,,no strings attached...except reputation,,,,thats what BTC really is all about,,,,trust,,,but there is a lot greedy crooks out there! They sure are holding lot$ of Bitcoin..avalon
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August 07, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
That information is no more troubling than the fact that BFL has taken much longer than promised to deliver their orders. Yifu is not answering his phone or replying to emails. Everyone is trying to contact him. Apparently, he doesn't like to answer his phone when people are calling to complain. Many people who have been in past orders with Avalon have said that when he doesn't answer his phone, Avalon is about to ship products. We'll see if that holds true. Avalon has finally started shipping Batch 3 pre-orders the past couple of weeks. It looks like they are holding off of sending the bulk chips to catch up on their batch 3 miners. This isn't us getting scammed yet. It's just Avalon's bad customer service and unreliable order fulfillment procedures. At least Avalon is only 2 months behind and not 12 months+ behind. Everyone is looking for a reason to freak out. Take some xanax and relax. Avalon hasn't bought an island and fled the country or anything. Yifu and Avalon are trying to get into more public offerings. They wouldn't flee with everyone's money.  

I mean, come on.... over a month late? How late are everyone's BFL orders?
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August 07, 2013, 04:47:47 PM
WOW Zurg,,, If any thruth to this,,,,we all be in deep doo doo $$$$$

$14,000,000.00+ in Avalon chips missing, and you thought BFL was bad? (self.Bitcoin)

submitted 27 minutes ago* by defconoi





Avalon is currently over a month late in shipping over $14 Million dollars in Avalon asic chips to group buys on Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtf-avalon-ship-the-chips-264098

This could quite possibly be the biggest Bitcoin theft in History.

If anyone can contact Yifu Guo of Avalon for chip status/confirmation that they will ship, please do. They have ignored all contact emails and phone calls for over a month

EDIT: um this would explain things.... oh noooooo! lol

Yeah, read that thread. Almost like a lynching party is out for Avalon.
The one positive thing is that SebastianJu is now there also.
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August 07, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
WOW Zurg,,, If any thruth to this,,,,we all be in deep doo doo $$$$$

$14,000,000.00+ in Avalon chips missing, and you thought BFL was bad? (self.Bitcoin)

submitted 27 minutes ago* by defconoi





Avalon is currently over a month late in shipping over $14 Million dollars in Avalon asic chips to group buys on Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtf-avalon-ship-the-chips-264098

This could quite possibly be the biggest Bitcoin theft in History.

If anyone can contact Yifu Guo of Avalon for chip status/confirmation that they will ship, please do. They have ignored all contact emails and phone calls for over a month

EDIT: um this would explain things.... oh noooooo! lol
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August 07, 2013, 03:39:02 PM
I wonder why it is so difficult for Th or any of em to simply call up avalon and ask what the ETA is for their chip order??? Ya know? Do you have to speak Chinese or something...lol, I mean with $78,000 per batch ya think there would be some formal line of communications...I understand TH cant build and ship till they have all the parts in house...but what about avalon are they waiting for a shipment of silcon or something lol if anyone has a good answer please post Smiley why the big mystery on a shipment anyways

Exactly!

Check this out :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2886486
Kinda what I am thinking that TH should have been doing the last week or 2.
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August 07, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
I wonder why it is so difficult for Th or any of em to simply call up avalon and ask what the ETA is for their chip order??? Ya know? Do you have to speak Chinese or something...lol, I mean with $78,000 per batch ya think there would be some formal line of communications...I understand TH cant build and ship till they have all the parts in house...but what about avalon are they waiting for a shipment of silcon or something lol if anyone has a good answer please post Smiley why the big mystery on a shipment anyways
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August 07, 2013, 02:57:44 PM

I am the customer. I have not received my product nor was I told that there were no refunds available. I did not agree to any terms or conditions that delineated a no refund policy. If I want a refund for whateverthefuckingreason then I deserve one.



The no refunds policy was actually in place before the pre-orders started.  Not their fault you couldn't read.

But Amir told people earlier that refunds would be offered up until the ship date.  The policy was changed 2 days before the order period was opened up. So it was a bit disingenuous.   Undecided
lol ya it sure was  Angry
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August 07, 2013, 02:52:56 PM

I am the customer. I have not received my product nor was I told that there were no refunds available. I did not agree to any terms or conditions that delineated a no refund policy. If I want a refund for whateverthefuckingreason then I deserve one.



The no refunds policy was actually in place before the pre-orders started.  Not their fault you couldn't read.

But Amir told people earlier that refunds would be offered up until the ship date.  The policy was changed 2 days before the order period was opened up. So it was a bit disingenuous.   Undecided

That was before cloudhashing screwed them.
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