Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 65. (Read 530660 times)

At Meeh's request, Cryptoslave and myself have joined the Anoncoin team as project managers. As you are all probably aware, the Anoncoin developers have full time jobs, and Meeh in particular has been having a hard time juggling his responsibilities at work, Anoncoin, and i2p. He has not been able to keep everyone in the community as informed as they should, and this will all change. Cryptoslave and I will bridge the gap between the development team and community, and we will provide much needed help in organizing certain aspects of the project. For myself, I have relevant experience as the head of a scientific research lab, so I think that I am up to the job.

We are not here to pump the coin, and ask that you judge both us and the developers based on the progress that is made, not the price of the coin. We are well aware that Anoncoin is at a low point in its history, and many (including myself) are disappointed with the missed deadlines, the problems with the difficulty algorithm, and the fact that many exchanges are not accepting deposits or withdrawals. We face an uphill battle, and it is easy to become disheartened when other so-called anonymous coins are seeing progress and adoption.

Despite the immediate difficulties we face, I still believe that Anoncoin has much to offer. To start with, it is the only coin that offers support of the i2p darknet. You have all seen the recent news of Tor darknet market places being raided by authorities, showing the need for incorporating i2p into digital currencies. Equally important, even if the Zerocoin deadlines proved to be overly optimistic, Anoncoin is still the only coin that has made progress on its implementation. Though other coins are claiming to be implementing Zerocoin as well, if you look closely, you will see that they have only copied the publicly available Zerocoin library into their code, and nothing else. But finally, all of the developers are committed to internet privacy issues, and are not in to cryptocurrencies to make money. Anyone who thinks otherwise just needs to look at the long term trend in the value of ANC...

I can assure you that progress is being made, and that both Gnosis and Meeh are working on fixing the most pressing issues (the difficulty algorithm, and an update to the bitcoin 0.9.3 base code). It is true that Meeh does not visit bitcointalk often, in part because of the rampant trolling and sock puppets, but he is on IRC, and that is where most of the core team members meet and discuss things. I would like to invite you all to join us on the #anoncoin irc channel, either via i2p, or by our new server irc.greyhat.no (port 6697). If you are really interested, ask us to invite you to join the developer channel as well. We are currently migrating the irc forums to greyhat (and leaving freenode) given the greater level of privacy that is offered (such as connections via ssl).

Our first priority will be to put together an Anoncoin development schedule, and the community will be able to use this to see the progress that is being made. We are tentatively planning on three releases, one to fix the immediate problems, a second to implement fully i2pd and other features, and third zerocoin. This will likely require 2 hard forks. We are also planning on rolling out a new forum as the trolling at bitcointalk is becoming annoying to everyone. I expect to share the development schedule with all of you in about a weeks' time.

Finally, I would like to remind you how you can keep informed on the Anoncoin project. The best sources of information concerning anoncoin:

• The #anoncoin IRC channel (and corresponding developer channel)
• The Anoncoin wiki
• The AnoncoinNews and AnoncoinProject twitter feeds.
• The Anoncoin reddit page
• and lastly, here.

Stay tuned...

Stoked to see the changes, wasn't sure when you guys would formally be making these changes. Happy to see it sooner rather than later. Its nice to hear about Meehs stronger understanding of newer btc code base, 9+, and the updated improvements of i2p. I'm mainly excited about getting a timeline in a few? days on needed wallet/algo updates so we can trade on main exchanges again. Make us proud! Hope you've been waiting with us dragon

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Hey Meeh, this is the NEW PR GUY in whom we need to trust?

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Cryptoslave Brand new account
THE NEW PR GUY IS HERE
WELCOME TO THE ANONCOIN COMEDY or DRAMA depending of point of view (SmokingSkull )

Don't tell me I have not warned you.

Hi!

I will do my best to provide a healthy direction to the Anoncoin network

I recognize the situation could look better than what it is now but it is only because this coin is still a work in progress

But progress only go forward and there is the promise of a great future for ANC!

Good joke.
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Meeh Last Post: October 04, 2014, 04:19:08 AM

He really was very active as PR. Now we understand why he did not do his job of developer.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/meeh-106663

We had the Meeh pump and dump last year.
We had the Gnosis pump and dump some weeks ago.
Now, place to the lunokhod2 pump and dump. Expect zerocoin release early next year!
Who will be the next pump and dump actor?

Well, ok then.  Looking forward to an update and status report.

Splendid news, glad to hear it!

Message from Meeh

Meeh has asked myself (lunokhod) and cryptoslave to take a more formal role in the Anoncoin project as project managers. This move is designed to give the other developers more time to concentrate on what they do best, all while bringing in extra help to aid in dealing with general organizational and PR issues.

We will provide a more detailed statement in the next 24 hours as to what this will mean in practice. You can rest assured that development is continuing and that the project has not been abandoned: If things were not moving forward, we would never have agreed to take on this responsibility!

https://sigterm.no/pastebin/?63f04c0fc2455287#RParhwYSXqDkdWVNbRCFTzWeYph6//uZWkTVY1tgTIk=

I was extrapolating a feature based on the inherent qualities of wallets, i.e., keys which can give varying degrees of authority or information about funds to other keys.

Your last question, that is the whole point. Math breakthroughs that can be foreseen are not a threat to current keys and would not threaten new uses of those keys within reason. Quantum computers it makes no sense to speculate about. The strength of keys now would take so many trillions of years to break using an array of supercomputers today. No intelligent guess could be made regarding speeds of future computers using newer technology.

As to what is needed 'to make that happen', for you and me only patience.

I point it out so that people who are less inclined to math will stop falling in these traps so easily. A person must be very simple to buy into the Zerocoin that has been peddled on this thread. What will happen when conners or the academic thugs of governments try to pump something more clever? For that reason I warn people, play along quietly but do not trust a coin as anonymous until the anonymity is derived from the same keys used for transactions now. There is no need for more and someone adds more only because either a) they are unable to solve the problem so they cobble something together or b) they have hidden intentions.

If you want to push the issue start a thread on a more technical board asking for analysis and opinions.
http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/forum/3141/
https://www.physicsforums.com/#mathematics.4
http://crypto.stackexchange.com/

A person with just a moderate amount of effort could use a bitcoin wallet with very high anonymity as long as they were okay with all of the coins being anonymous. The most important aspect of anonymity in cryptocurrency today, of course, is simply the computer. If you are at home you are not anonymous.
The most important use for anonymity is evolving. Some people would like you to think anonymity is for buying drugs or guns for alqaeda. Actually anonymity is liberty in almost every country today. If someone controls your money they control your opinion ultimately. Ask any old person.

Interesting - please elaborate.

Also, are you currently designing such a system or planning to design at some point? What would you need to make that happen (resources, developers, funding)?

Would that solution (anonymity of the transactions up to that point) be protected from math breakthroughs or quantum computers?

y is cryptsy wallet down???

To save some time and money for people interested in anonymous currency I will reiterate what has already been pointed out.

To create socalled trustless anonymity no external keys are needed. A conventional wallet can generate 4 keys and from that alone anonymity can be derived that will be a function of time. One wallet will need two protocols and any coins can be switched seemlessly between them. Until you see that do not bet too much.

Of course there are malignant players who want to control currencies. It has always been like that. "We are the good guys. You can trust us to responsibly control your currency, surveil responsibly, only kill bad people blah blah blah".

Until populations are educated sufficiently that bad actors in government cannot survive people must be careful.

Everyone has good intentions. They want to stop drugs, stop terrorism, promote freedom, stop orphan bonobos from starving, save the planet from tyranny, whatever the excuse de jour is.

Until you see an open source trustless anonymity generated from within a conventional wallet using its own keys be wary of the shit being pumped whole chunk into the cryptosphere.

Well, then its a lie.

They claim it's already implemented. Same dev as Vertcoin

Is zerovert claiming to already have zerocoin implemented or that they are about to soon? I'm hesitant to believe them since anoncoin has been working on it for a while and zerovert just popped up out of nowhere.  Does anyone have any information about them?

Thank you Gnosis for explaining everything and for all your hard work on anoncoin! This really helped settle my concerns

Obviously a lot of planning has gone into zerovert.

About 5 days worth.

http://whois.domaintools.com/zerovert.org

Not yet tested it.

I think that the need for this trustless proof is a classic dilemma : You wont trust them until it's all opensource and it would copied like crazy the moment it is !

The premine seems to be another reason for a generalized suspicion........ but atleast on of the devs have credible legitimacy and that sort of is  reassuring IMHO.....

All said and done it would not hurt to keep an eye on it before summarily rejecting it , afterall what they intend to offer there is what we are seeking here.