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Topic: [OFFICIAL POLL] QRK LOGO COMPETITION - page 6. (Read 34187 times)

newbie
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February 10, 2014, 02:44:23 PM
The voting should be between the participants themselves. Each of them should vote on a 1 to 10 scale to others who participated. Once everyone has voted, the one with the most votes wins.

According to the game theory in this case noone will vote Smiley
If the voting is mandatory on a scale 1 to 10 then everybody will poll 1 Smiley

sr. member
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February 10, 2014, 02:14:14 PM
The voting should be between the participants themselves. Each of them should vote on a 1 to 10 scale to others who participated. Once everyone has voted, the one with the most votes wins.

That's actually not a bad idea. Eliminates sock accounts and vote padding. The only people who can vote are the creators themselves, they cannot for their own design and have to rank every other design submitted. Then, at the end, a winner will emerge chosen by the artists themselves.

Obviously I'm just an observer and have no stake in this whatsoever, but I think that could actually be a good solution.
hero member
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February 10, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
The voting should be between the participants themselves. Each of them should vote on a 1 to 10 scale to others who participated. Once everyone has voted, the one with the most votes wins.
member
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February 10, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Isn't it obvious? It's the cheaters that didn't tell they were cheating using shadow accounts bashing me!
sr. member
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February 10, 2014, 10:02:00 AM
Why is everybody only talking about Martijnp, he isn't the only one who cheated. I am sure the first four spots cheated as well.
He is just the only one who admitted. I dont think it's fair to disqualify Martijnp if others cheated too.
If Martijnp gets disqualified than everyone who cheated needs to be disqualified, not just the one who admitted...


Exactly. But how do you prove who did and who didn't cheat?

No matter what happens this all just looks really bad. General shadiness all around.
newbie
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February 10, 2014, 09:54:13 AM
Why is everybody only talking about Martijnp, he isn't the only one who cheated. I am sure the first four spots cheated as well.
He is just the only one who admitted. I dont think it's fair to disqualify Martijnp if others cheated too.
If Martijnp gets disqualified than everyone who cheated needs to be disqualified, not just the one who admitted...
sr. member
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February 10, 2014, 04:26:31 AM
I only pointed out that it is not necessary to look for "admitted cheaters" when it is obvious that the contest was flawed long before martijnp registered his own fake voters. But maybe you are questioning that, and believe that the massive increase of registrations (partwise with identical names) was pure coincidence.

this is where you're making the mistake I was trying to point out - you are assuming any "massive increase of registrations" MUST be cheaters or fake accounts intended to rig this vote - you cannot make that leap without something called EVIDENCE - it is unwise, unfair, and unjust to use such a conclusion to form any new rules or make any decisions, in the absence of evidence - again, it's GUESSING

i'm sorry, but the standard of proof needs to be a fair bit higher than "it's obvious"

we don't need evidence in martijnp's case because he admitted cheating


*irony on* Where is your evidence that martijnp cheated? You dont have any protocols to present and he could be lying. *irony off*

That's the point, Ashmasser, 1. you don't have to proof the obvious and 2. this is no court, this is a forum. If you really want to argue that there was no fakery going on before, please go ahead. But looking back in the thread, you'll find out that you need to claim gullibility for a lot of members who raised concerns that cheating was going on before martijnp started his arguable attack on the contest.

I also don't see the "fun" part, because martijnp never planned to keep the prize.

Btw. Your date of registration makes me curious. You seem to be quite aware of the whole crypto scene. I guess you are active on other forums, would you mind posting a link to other profiles?
member
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February 10, 2014, 03:18:07 AM
One more time:

I did win the corrupt voting contest based on the rules set. To me that is clearly NOT winning the logo competition! I have clearly motivated my actions so no need to discuss them further.

If I'd win the full bounty based on the given rules, I'd choose to initiate a reboot of the contest to be managed in a fair way by the Foundation. That is if the Foundation agrees to it, which I believe they will.

If FlipPro/Foundation asks to me to step away from the competition based on my actions, I will respectfully withdraw from the competition!
hero member
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February 10, 2014, 02:51:20 AM


I think the community wants a new vote... (I don't off course)

Still my suggestion:
Vote like Nextcoin did, everybody needs to reply 1 name of the 3 finals.
Like this: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1927.msg18907.html#msg18907
No votes from newbies or accounts with no activity. So everyone knows who voting..
The most votes come from active users on this forum and you can see the activity of every user..

1st place: 60.000
2nd place: 40.000
3rd place: 20.000


barrysoetoro agreed with this, is it?
Ultimist?
FlipPro?
legendary
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February 10, 2014, 12:59:48 AM
Everyone seems to assume donating the whole thing to the Foundation is a bad thing where everybody loses. Why is that?


Because time and time again designers having been posting designs to contest and competitions on here and the OP does not deliver.

Thus causing the bitcointalk community to be very suspicious of any OP that does not deliver.

I have seen this happen to many an OP after not delivering
Trust: -4: -1 / +0(0)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!


suffice to say i do not have any solution to the current problem but since everyone played within the rules e.g. most votes win (which I am not happy about) the prize must be delivered

Just curious has the winner received their winnings
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 11:37:52 PM
I only pointed out that it is not necessary to look for "admitted cheaters" when it is obvious that the contest was flawed long before martijnp registered his own fake voters. But maybe you are questioning that, and believe that the massive increase of registrations (partwise with identical names) was pure coincidence.

this is where you're making the mistake I was trying to point out - you are assuming any "massive increase of registrations" MUST be cheaters or fake accounts intended to rig this vote - you cannot make that leap without something called EVIDENCE - it is unwise, unfair, and unjust to use such a conclusion to form any new rules or make any decisions, in the absence of evidence - again, it's GUESSING

i'm sorry, but the standard of proof needs to be a fair bit higher than "it's obvious"

we don't need evidence in martijnp's case because he admitted cheating

the funny thing is, he claims to have done it to keep a cheater from winning - yet that's exactly what happened
sr. member
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February 09, 2014, 09:49:13 PM
@Ashmaster

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even if you say others were cheating, no proof to that effect has been presented, and so the ONLY proven cheater here is martijnp the rest is pure guesswork and speculation, unless you can present us with definitive proof that others indeed were cheating

Noone here can prove who created those fake accounts. Everyone could have created them and then let them vote for another contributor to make it looks as if he_she cheated. Actually, that doesn´t matter at all. If you prefer to deny that different people created fake accounts to manipulate poll results, then I´m unsure whether it´s me who´s gullible.

I only pointed out that it is not necessary to look for "admitted cheaters" when it is obvious that the contest was flawed long before martijnp registered his own fake voters. But maybe you are questioning that, and believe that the massive increase of registrations (partwise with identical names) was pure coincidence. Otherwise I don´t get your argument.

I am not defending martijnps cheating. Imho there were other and better options to question the competition. Maybe there was only one to blast it.
hero member
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February 09, 2014, 08:41:36 PM
I have no trouble resigning from the contest if desired by FlipPro and/or Foundation!

I feel pretty confident about my designs. I guess many would love to see me go so maybe I should do just that!

Winning Quarks is very nice, but exposing cheaters is priceless!

@assmasher you forgot to read my message from feb3 quoted on the previous page! My intentions were VERY clear from the start!

I think you're forgetting that you didn't win. Do you mean exposing cheaters as in you told everyone that you cheated?
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 07:25:03 PM

Winning Quarks is very nice, but exposing cheaters is priceless!


Hypocrisy at its best! Way to keep it classy.  Roll Eyes
member
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February 09, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
I have no trouble resigning from the contest if desired by FlipPro and/or Foundation!

I feel pretty confident about my designs. I guess many would love to see me go so maybe I should do just that!

Winning Quarks is very nice, but exposing cheaters is priceless!

@assmasher you forgot to read my message from feb3 quoted on the previous page! My intentions were VERY clear from the start!
hero member
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February 09, 2014, 05:33:33 PM
If martijnp or any other cheaters win this will be truly sickening.

newbie
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February 09, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
Btw, boxxl forgot to mention the 200 members named 'Kreon' in his list of fake accounts. I wonder why..
I monitored this new user thing too you know. If even more proof is desired, just let me know!

What bothers me is that they don't even have the guts to admit they cheated! Still hoping to get paid. It's telling..

merely mentioning 200 members named kreon is not "proof"

even if it was, how do we know those aren't some of YOUR fake accounts? you needed over 1100 of them, obviously

newbie
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February 09, 2014, 05:23:29 PM
i have no stake in this fiasco but i suggest that martijnp should have to present definitive proof of others' cheating before being allowed to enter a reboot of the contest, if there is one

short of that, it's pretty obvious martijnp is just trying to save face at this point, and only the brainless and gullible will be sucked in by it

anyone can say they were doing something noble AFTER the fact, martijnp

it is clear that you still want that Quark and would never even consider something truly noble (such as voluntarily withdrawing from the contest permanently) to prove it

spin things some more why don't you - were not nearly dizzy enough yet

you don't have the guts OR the actual moral fiber to disqualify YOURSELF, which is what someone would do if their intentions were truly what you say yours were


member
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February 09, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
Btw, boxxl forgot to mention the 200 members named 'Kreon' in his list of fake accounts. I wonder why..
I monitored this new user thing too you know. If even more proof is desired, just let me know!

What bothers me is that they don't even have the guts to admit they cheated! Still hoping to get paid. It's telling..
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 05:08:34 PM
@quarkfx Please just ignore him.. He only registered feb 4 after the cheating started and is most likely just another alter-ego used by one of the cheaters. It's all negativity and frustration.
It's blatantly obvious they are trying to slaughter me over this.. I can imagine! Wink

You're the only confessed cheater here, tinker bell

what do u want, a fucking medal?
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