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Topic: [OFFICIAL POLL] QRK LOGO COMPETITION - page 7. (Read 34187 times)

newbie
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February 09, 2014, 05:07:04 PM
@Ashmaster

If martijnp would have cheated to get the reward I´d say your argument was valid. Martijnp sabotaged the contest after it was already sabotaged. The only difference is that he admitted to it and that he had no intentions to disappear with the prize. I don´t think it was a sort of heroic act, but to me it doesn´t seem helpful to have only the admitted cheater in sight but rather the flawed contest and a mud-slinging, in which it was hard to come out clean, even for those who mobilized their voters properly.

martijnp only made such a claim after boxxl outed him for cheating -  martijnp was caught before he said anything, and so of course he has to "spin" it to make it sound like he was doing some noble deed

you really are gullible

no matter how you slice it, he cheated and ruined the contest - even if you say others were cheating, no proof to that effect has been presented, and so the ONLY proven cheater here is martijnp

the rest is pure guesswork and speculation, unless you can present us with definitive proof that others indeed were cheating

you can't condemn someone on guesses or "it just seems that way" - you have to have proof

proof isn't needed in martijnp's case because he has admitted what he did (after seeing that he was going to be outed shortly thereafter, he decided some pre-emptive spin was in order)
member
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February 09, 2014, 04:52:07 PM
@quarkfx Please just ignore him.. He only registered feb 4 after the cheating started and is most likely just another alter-ego used by one of the cheaters. It's all negativity and frustration.
It's blatantly obvious they are trying to slaughter me over this.. I can imagine! Wink
sr. member
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February 09, 2014, 04:17:18 PM
@Ashmaster

If martijnp would have cheated to get the reward I´d say your argument was valid. Martijnp sabotaged the contest after it was already sabotaged. The only difference is that he admitted to it and that he had no intentions to disappear with the prize. I don´t think it was a sort of heroic act, but to me it doesn´t seem helpful to have only the admitted cheater in sight but rather the flawed contest and a mud-slinging, in which it was hard to come out clean, even for those who mobilized their voters properly.
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 03:57:13 PM
Everyone seems to assume donating the whole thing to the Foundation is a bad thing where everybody loses. Why is that?

Some of us mentioned earlier it might be a good idea to reboot the contest, donate the 120k quark to the Foundation and let the Foundation manage the contest in a FAIR way.
The 120k should be reserved exclusively for the logo/branding contest and the logo would be officially accepted by the Foundation.

The only thing that worries me is the fact that it is pretty difficult now to vote neutrally.



even if the contest were rebooted, as the confessed cheater you don't even get to be in any new vote - i think it is safe to say that the other designers would be pretty upset if you were allowed entry into any new contest

as a confirmed cheater you are pretty much disqualified and stand zero chances of winning no matter how many times this thing is rebooted

you're not seriously expecting to be granted entry after cheating, are you?

martijnp, SEEK MENTAL HELP - you are clearly delusional

you cheated and no longer get to play no matter how you slice it
legendary
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February 09, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
Everyone seems to assume donating the whole thing to the Foundation is a bad thing where everybody loses. Why is that?


Because time and time again designers having been posting designs to contest and competitions on here and the OP does not deliver.

Thus causing the bitcointalk community to be very suspicious of any OP that does not deliver.

I have seen this happen to many an OP after not delivering
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suffice to say i do not have any solution to the current problem but since everyone played within the rules e.g. most votes win (which I am not happy about) the prize must be delivered
hero member
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February 09, 2014, 02:55:45 PM
Everyone seems to assume donating the whole thing to the Foundation is a bad thing where everybody loses. Why is that?

Some of us mentioned earlier it might be a good idea to reboot the contest, donate the 120k quark to the Foundation and let the Foundation manage the contest in a FAIR way.
The 120k should be reserved exclusively for the logo/branding contest and the logo would be officially accepted by the Foundation.

The only thing that worries me is the fact that it is pretty difficult now to vote neutrally.



Donating to the foundation is a joke. This was a contest, not free design work for the Quark Foundation. Then again why would I expect you to respect anyone's work, you already proved that you don't.
member
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February 09, 2014, 02:36:03 PM
Everyone seems to assume donating the whole thing to the Foundation is a bad thing where everybody loses. Why is that?

Some of us mentioned earlier it might be a good idea to reboot the contest, donate the 120k quark to the Foundation and let the Foundation manage the contest in a FAIR way.
The 120k should be reserved exclusively for the logo/branding contest and the logo would be officially accepted by the Foundation.

The only thing that worries me is the fact that it is pretty difficult now to vote neutrally.

sr. member
Activity: 396
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February 09, 2014, 12:39:02 PM
If I was FlipPro I'd split the prize to all participants in the pool.

+1


I've been watching from a distance and it all turned pretty ugly very quickly, which is a real shame.

Anyone who took the time to design for the competition probably feels cheated, myself included.

Let's hope for a better outcome.

+1 for the above also

I completely agree, it's best to just split the prize to all participants in the pool. Alot of designers did the best they could to design a new quarkcoin logo, including me.
I spent days thinking about the logo and designing it and i'm sure alot of other designers put days of work in their designs too. I would personally feel cheated if the prize went to a foundation.

I also think that handing the prize over to the foundation wouldn´t be fair for the participants. However, I wonder why splitting should be a fair option? It would be the easiest, sure. To split berween all participants would be a good choice if its only about forgetting this contest. However, the participation in this community contest was never a promised salery for interested designers. Everyone knew it was highly plausible that the invested effort wouldn´t be rewarded financially. I honestly wonder why so few are interested in a fair relaunch of the contest and so many interested in a payout. Is it only about the money?

I agree with professorY, the only fair way is a new vote. If people don´t want to take part in a new vote - which I would understand - I don´t see any reasons why the prize shouldn´t be given to the Quark Foundation.
sr. member
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February 09, 2014, 11:58:00 AM
The only fair way to end this is a new vote in which all votes must come from accounts at least 1 month old.

Giving the money to the foundation now, when that wasn't the deal, cheats all of the designers. Splitting the funds in any way among the current 'winners' will almost certainly be rewarding cheating.
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 11:45:57 AM
If I was FlipPro I'd split the prize to all participants in the pool.

+1


I've been watching from a distance and it all turned pretty ugly very quickly, which is a real shame.

Anyone who took the time to design for the competition probably feels cheated, myself included.

Let's hope for a better outcome.

+1 for the above also

I completely agree, it's best to just split the prize to all participants in the pool. Alot of designers did the best they could to design a new quarkcoin logo, including me.
I spent days thinking about the logo and designing it and i'm sure alot of other designers put days of work in their designs too. I would personally feel cheated if the prize went to a foundation.
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 05:20:25 AM
If I was FlipPro I'd split the prize to all participants in the pool.

+1


I've been watching from a distance and it all turned pretty ugly very quickly, which is a real shame.

Anyone who took the time to design for the competition probably feels cheated, myself included.

Let's hope for a better outcome.

+1 for the above also
sr. member
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Graphic Designer
February 09, 2014, 04:24:13 AM
@gjeric a valid point at surface value, but... you should feel cheated if this was an order.  But this was a competition - and you didn't win it, martijnp "did".

I perfectly understand the dilemma that has been created here; either move by Flip will create bad feeling with someone.  That's why I see donating to QF as the neutral solution that should not embitter anyone and will benefit Quark as a whole.  It's quite simple really.

There simply is no winner. I'd feel evenly cheated if martijnp "wins" or if QF "wins" ...

This contest was about a logo design so I see solution in splitting the prize to all contesters. By donating to QF you are betraying everyone who put lots of effort in their design.
member
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February 09, 2014, 04:13:27 AM
Ok, as expected this voting system is turning out to be a complete fiasco! There are no rules, no guidelines, no qualifications, no legal validations. There is no structure at all!

It's extremely disappointing and even humiliating for designers who have put serious effort in delivering their quality designs.

It's easy to create 100s of email aliases automatically, register an account on BitcoinTalk for each email alias every 6 minutes from the same IP, login with each new account and directly place a vote! No need to write a welcome message in the newbies thread first and wait for three hours.. You can vote instantly! Why not all start doing this? It's great fun! Some of seem to be doing a great job at this already!

We should STOP 'voting' in it's current format NOW, evaluate and properly manage this contest! I'm confident every serious participant is willing to cooperate!

I cannot imagine FlipPro will accept the fact that our 'winner' will be the one delivering most of the 'votes' based on quantity only! The goal was to redefine the current logo and deliver different elements based on this redefined logo.

This logo should be accepted as the new standard by the Quark community. Rules MUST be implemented for it to become accepted! There is a Quark foundation and a Quark community that should be involved, but mostly FlipPro as he initiated the contest and is providing the funds.

@FlipPro, PLEASE let us know your point of view! Quarkfx provided some pretty decent suggestions..

It indeed turned out to be an EPIC vote, but epic in a negative sense! Let's reverse this thing.



Those of you trying to insult me, enjoy! I really don't care.

I'm the ONLY one that took measures to prevent the obvious from happening! What do you think would have happened if I didn't do it?
Instead of all the negativity perhaps put some energy in finding a decent solution! It seems however that there is no solution that pleases everyone!
member
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February 09, 2014, 02:48:06 AM
@gjeric a valid point at surface value, but... you should feel cheated if this was an order.  But this was a competition - and you didn't win it, martijnp "did".

I perfectly understand the dilemma that has been created here; either move by Flip will create bad feeling with someone.  That's why I see donating to QF as the neutral solution that should not embitter anyone and will benefit Quark as a whole.  It's quite simple really.

@Ashmasser if those are your comments about the QF, then I'd say you know nothing about what QF is, under which conditions it was set up and for what purpose.  (hint: it was not for curing cancer or organizing community cleanups)
newbie
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February 09, 2014, 02:38:28 AM
I'm dissapointed in most of the reactions here!
For what it's worth, I want to emphasize it always was my intention to come out clean straight after the closing bell.
@altcoincryptographer: you are right! The Foundation is crucial for Quark!

the reaction you got is the default reaction to hypocritical nonsense - you suspected cheating and you despise cheating, yet you cheated - you became your own worst enemy and you want a pat on the back for it? LMAO not gonna happen

are you really that dense that you don't realize what you've done?

you really don't know? LOL

newbie
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February 09, 2014, 02:32:32 AM
nowhere in your list of "better" uses for the prize money is a single thing that helps real people, well besides the part about bribing them to use quark by giving them some --

what about organizing community cleanups in a few major cities... or what about running a food drive - either could have big signs "Sponsored by Quark" to really get the name out there

everything you listed seems self serving to Quark without helping a single real human being on this planet - this is the wrong approach and will lead to Quark's eventual demise

I think the entire pot of 120,000 should be given to Quark Foundation not only because it can help finance these much needed projects, but primarily because you could help send a very important message that Quark is not just a crypto-currency, Quark is a Community, and we don't tolerate sleazy behaviour like cheating!

that could just as easily be accomplished by not giving the prize money to anyone - it has nothing to do with the QF

wow - you guys are really putting the pressure on to give the entire thing to QF - what's up with that? it's not like you intend to use it to cure cancer

what if Flip simply changes his mind and wants to keep the quark for himself? i wish he'd try that just as an experiment to see everyone turn on him as if he owes anything to anyone

enough with all these attempts to brainwash him into giving QF all the money - have the decency to let him make his own mind up, and then accept his decision no matter what it is

stop trying to corner him into something

member
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February 09, 2014, 02:14:02 AM
I'm dissapointed in most of the reactions here!

For what it's worth, I want to emphasize it always was my intention to come out clean straight after the closing bell.


@altcoincryptographer: you are right! The Foundation is crucial for Quark!
sr. member
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Graphic Designer
February 09, 2014, 02:11:16 AM
matrixfighter, as a designer in this contest I'd feel cheated if all qrks just go to foundation. Just pointing out a different point of view.
jr. member
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February 08, 2014, 10:51:14 PM
well said.
member
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February 08, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
I am the moderator of Quark Reddit at http://www.reddit.com/r/QuarkCoin/ .  When I came in I saw our community shattered, divided with bitter petty quarrels, hopeless and in panic.  As a moderator (as well as someone who has started several small successful social networks in the past), my emphasis was on Community Building strategy. I cleared the bugs, made our Reddit look very stylish (and the community recognised this several times), I made sure that our reddit is not just a place to share "official" information, but a hangout space for the Community, where people hold each other's backs and give support.  If before Reddit was some forgotten outpost of Quark constellation, now our Reddit has more traffic then all 3 forums combined.  I gave countless hours in making sure that each newbie question is answered - and yes the newbies do ask the same questions over and over again, and yes, I write full response to each of them.  Those of you who are visiting our Reddit regularly know me and how committed and passionate I am about Quark project and our people.  Because through my behaviour I want to set a standard of what the attitude of each of us should be.  That's what Leadership is about! Same thing in war, same thing in life.  And if the Logo is the Flag, I can't take that logo (no matter how good design it is) from someone whose principles are muddled up!!!  It's not just bad karma, it's a question of virtue and integrity.  This Sense of Community that has emerged is really THE STRONGEST point of Quark!!! Yes - think about it!  Because 30 seconds confirmation and 9 rounds of hashing -- anyone can clone that, and they do.  But what they can't clone is the Community that we've got going! The dedicated individuals at Quark Foundation and all others activists, each of whom do their job altruistically!  They've called us premined, scamcoin, delusional etc -- but we're still here... and not only that, but we are gradually rising - numbers don't lie: our Reddit is the 4th most popular sub after Bitcoin, Doge and Litecoin -- and the market demonstrates its confidence in Quark too when they see a united, Ambitious and Determined community!

Now, when I see such cheating behaviour, it pains me - seriously!  And yes, such behaviour should not be tolerated.  Because if it is tolerated and even rewarded with even 1 QRK, then it sends a very wrong message to our Community and a very  wrong message to potenntial Quark investors.  I personally would be very offended if cheaters were to receive a single Quark!  I would therefore strongly urge against giving any rewards to any of the competitors.

Instead, I fully support Quark Foundation -- because it has proven by deed and by delivering accomplished projects that it is a trustworthy body.

These are some of the projects that they are working on http://www.quarkfoundation.cc/projects/  and with 120,000 QRK a lot more much needed and much valuable infrastructure projects can be accomplished!  

* New Mobile Wallet app (so that small shops, cafes and restaurants can start accepting QRK.)
* Foundation's own pool to avoid 51% attack, and to give it a steady income to finance more cool projects
* a New beautifully looking Wallet with in-built miner so that average Joe can start mining immediately, and so that our low hash-rate can increase.  This feature would instantly make Quark more accessible to the masses.
* Quark's own Payment processor to allow for e-commerce!!!
* Quark integration into Magento, Drupal, Joomla, Wordpress and others,
* Quark wallet extensions for Chrome and Firefox,
* Secure Cloud Wallet like Blockchain.info
* Quark Point-Of-Sale system (I have spoken with CoinKyte.com and they are interested in Quark if we could accomplish some goals)
* Quark ATM (those Bitcoin ATMs can easily be re-programmed for Quark for $5000 each)
* apps for smart-watches (yes, they are coming and will be the new frontier),
* A site like LocalBitcoins.com (I've been working on that but I need to hire more experienced developers to help me out)
* Community organisation tool and project-management tool (like Kickstarter)
* A tool that integrates with Google Map and shows where Quark is acceptable in your vicinity. (Yes, I've been building that too, but more on that later)
* More videos and in different languages
* A professional Media, Advertising and PR team
* Promotional public events
* Giveaways of few QRK to each new person who has never heard of Quark and doesn't know how to use the wallet.
* etcetera
* etcetera

Any of these projects is more important that the Logo. If the above projects were to be accomplished, Quark could very soon rival even Bitcoin. Yes!

I think the entire pot of 120,000 should be given to Quark Foundation not only because it can help finance these much needed projects, but primarily because you could help send a very important message that Quark is not just a crypto-currency, Quark is a Community, and we don't tolerate sleazy behaviour like cheating!


 
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