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March 21, 2014, 10:15:12 AM
What worries me the most is the fact that AMT refers to receiving one of their miners as punishment Huh

Here is something Josh emailed me 3/6/2014:

"The miners having issues, that's why we havn't shipped. But since your pursuing all this crap we'll go ahead and ship you your miner anyway.

All the best

Josh"

3/21/2014 - still no miner., even as a punishment.


He was referring to:
http://www.advancedminers-clients.com

Which was initially meant to be a positive exchange and sharing of ideas between owners of AMT miners. I was hoping to post about our successes with AMT miners, but unfortunately there is nothing positive to post there at this time.




wow, these guys are hardcore with you too. AMT is a sorry excuse for a company. i hope they go under and don't screw anyone else over.
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March 21, 2014, 10:00:37 AM
Can anyone check if they are accepting new orders?  

I want to know that despite failure to deliver, whether AMT continues to accept new orders.

Hold on, I'll place another new order and wire transfer the money. Maybe they'll have it ready by next friday Smiley jk
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March 21, 2014, 09:53:33 AM
I think it's pretty well established what they have been doing/not doing at this point. Whatever customer support they had, really has gone out the window. They need to start showing some kind of communication to their customers. Public announcements on their website for starters. Something or a mass email to their customers detailing the reason for the delays.

The fact that Josh did not respond to any of the folks who volunteered to help in 'assembly' tells me that there's nothing left to expect from this AMT.

The best we can all do now is help build our legal case against the company.

Can anyone check if they are accepting new orders?  

I want to know that despite failure to deliver, whether AMT continues to accept new orders.
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March 21, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
I also see AMT 1.2T miners on ebay, I am not so sure if these are really "Fakes". Why would a guy with that many positive feedbacks be selling fake miners?

Link?

nvm found it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-AMT-bitcoin-miner-1-2-T-in-hand-Ready-to-ship-/281276808626?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417d677db2

Take a close look at the photo Its actually using AMT's photo that they posted. Not his miner and he is selling it for 15.5k. For starters that price is insane. Secondly if he truly has the miner in hand why not take a picture and post that instead? Show all 3 miners or at least his set up instead of AMT's. Suspicious to say the least. Too many red flags to consider.

And considering his feedback shows he has shipped defective crap to people in the past. That again in itself is a red flag.

Having high feedback on ebay does not always mean much. How much of that is negative vs positive in a period of time tho is what ultimately matters. 
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March 21, 2014, 09:46:06 AM
I think it's pretty well established what they have been doing/not doing at this point. Whatever customer support they had (meaning us stepping up to bat for them), really has gone out the window because of their lack of customer support. They need to start showing some kind of communication to their customers. Public announcements on their website for starters. Something or a mass email to their customers detailing the reason for the delays.
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March 21, 2014, 09:19:53 AM
I also see AMT 1.2T miners on ebay, I am not so sure if these are really "Fakes". Why would a guy with that many positive feedbacks be selling fake miners?

I asked the ebayer for more photos.. he did not supply anything.  It could be a pre-order.
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March 21, 2014, 08:58:19 AM
What worries me the most is the fact that AMT refers to receiving one of their miners as punishment Huh

Here is something Josh emailed me 3/6/2014:

"The miners having issues, that's why we havn't shipped. But since your pursuing all this crap we'll go ahead and ship you your miner anyway.

All the best

Josh"

3/21/2014 - still no miner., even as a punishment.


He was referring to:
http://www.advancedminers-clients.com

Which was initially meant to be a positive exchange and sharing of ideas between owners of AMT miners. I was hoping to post about our successes with AMT miners, but unfortunately there is nothing positive to post there at this time.


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March 21, 2014, 08:38:02 AM
Might be useful for more than just AMT. Thing is since BFL this sort of practice has become a trend. Pre-orders are one thing if the supply is there. But to put people into a position to wait after telling them in writing that their hardware will arrive by a certain time, and when they get called out get "punished" as you have, then yea this needs to stop across the board. Their lack of response to anyone on any level is pretty damning and demonstrates.

As an aside I reached out to bitmine. They will be talking to AMT putting this on bitmines radar might make a difference in our getting our stuff. Based on what is happening they need to either start talking to their customers (to be fair they have no other obligation at this point but to talk to their customers only right now). Fact is the threat of legal action is likely why they have clammed up. But they do owe their customers a status update. And that is not going to look good if a group of people decide to start filing with the FTC and then also get a bunch of lawsuits piled on them.

Filing with Delaware County Consumer Affairs is not legal action but rather a precursor to legal action.  They are required to respond within 10 days.  The agency is there only to mediate.  Failure however to respond does lead to legal action.  

I am waiting for them to provide resolution.  However,  they have the duty to respond to customer inquiries about shipping.  Failing to do so, strengthens the case.  

I also need to verify if the following AMT employees are actually real people:

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Jim Brown
Anthony Parker
Alyssa Trusten

If they cannot be verified to be actual names of employess of AMT,  then we are talking about fraud here.   Very serious consequences if this is indeed true.

We should all work together to provide strong evidence to bolster our respective legal agendas.
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March 21, 2014, 08:10:27 AM
Might be useful for more than just AMT. Thing is since BFL this sort of practice has become a trend. Pre-orders are one thing if the supply is there. But to put people into a position to wait after telling them in writing that their hardware will arrive by a certain time, and when they get called out get "punished" as you have, then yea this needs to stop across the board. Their lack of response to anyone on any level is pretty damning and demonstrates.

As an aside I reached out to bitmine. They will be talking to AMT putting this on bitmines radar might make a difference in our getting our stuff. Based on what is happening they need to either start talking to their customers (to be fair they have no other obligation at this point but to talk to their customers only right now). Fact is the threat of legal action is likely why they have clammed up. But they do owe their customers a status update. And that is not going to look good if a group of people decide to start filing with the FTC and then also get a bunch of lawsuits piled on them.
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March 21, 2014, 06:11:02 AM
FTC complaint filed. For anybody else who wants to, here is the link:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/


worth posting on every AMT page on this thread. we need a sticky.

FTC Complaint Assistant
If you have a complaint about a company or its business practices, the FTC wants to know. Use our online complaint assistant or call 1-877-FTC-HELP.
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March 21, 2014, 05:36:40 AM
ok... i think i sent everyone the attorney's information. those of you asking for Josh's cell phone or more information im not sure if i should do that just yet.
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March 21, 2014, 05:10:08 AM
Probably wanted to get one less board in the machine to stretch the chips further. More chips, more boards, more miners, more money. If you believe the outlandish theory that they just mismanaged their business.


By the way is their proof that he's lied about attending and or graduating form Penn state? Or is this just another random accusation?

Good things to keep in mind:



And I need some help identifying an address, if you have sharp eyes I'll send you the picture. I think I've make out the street, just not the address numbers. Could be mutually beneficial to all our cases.

Appears a collections agency is necessary.   Anyone have a good one in Haverford, PA?
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March 21, 2014, 01:58:17 AM
Has anyone looked at Josh's other YouTube video?? I honestly don't understand...

do you mean the dental video?
My only guess is she gives him a chubby.
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March 21, 2014, 01:47:53 AM
Has anyone looked at Josh's other YouTube video?? I honestly don't understand...
What's there to understand?

Other than it's worrisome that this numbnuts has everyones' money.
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March 21, 2014, 01:45:16 AM
Wonder where RWMAX went? (AKA: Joshua Zipkin)

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Sirminesalot:

You are a joke and obviously a hired troll. Your posts are retarded, and obviously created to try and sway readers opinions of AMT. No one cares who is behind AMT or who works in their office. No one cares about corporate filings and registrations in an industry that creates a deregulated currency.

I'm a fan of AMT. I love the fact that they just get'r done. They are an unorthodox group of guys from Philly, they lack that high level of class and pr that we all know so well from so many other companies that have made us wait or havn't delivered at all. Their pricing is affordable and their legal status is unknown or possibly somewhat grey. They offer a product, we buy it and it works. If i had to compare the characteristics of AMT to anything, the first that comes to mind is simply.. Bitcoin itself.

I was hesitant at first but after receiving one of their 128's and excellent support from Jim while setting it up, I ordered three 1.2th's.

My experience thus far:

I ordered a 128ghs in late November, I received it the first week of January. They were late with about 5 days from their suggested 4 week delivery. This was attributed to the holidays.

When I received my miner it was a bit discombobulated due to shipping and possible poor installation/mounting of the boards. I spoke with jim on the phone, he walked me through it step by step and i was mining about 30 minutes later and have been so since. Also, it was at 12:30am when he provided that support.

I felt happy, and satisfied, and the next week I ordered three 1.2's and look forward to receiving them.

Sirminesalot, your efforts to tarnish this one legitimate company are noticed by many, they see through your bullshit and they realize your a either a paid shrill or 14 year old that cant afford a miner. Please take AMT's earlier advice and just go away. No one likes you here and your ultimately not welcome.

The difference between every other mining manufacturer and AMT is the personalized approach they offer to their clients. The fact that they are even trying to give support is a plus in my book, I ordered from Hashfast and I still can't get them on the phone.  AMT answers the phone when you call and returns messages when you leave them. They are one of the 4 companies in this great country of ours that manufacture these machines and we need to support them in anyway we can to help them become the empire they will become. They are still offering March delivery while everyone else offers May, its because they are real and that's the real build time based on their current orders.

I don't want a slice of credible PR followed by a bad news report or updates in my inbox regarding delays and upgrades on a minner that will never come. I dont need technical details of their miners or pics of their boards or care who's chip their using. I need a hashrate and consumption estimate. I took a gamble on this industry, on bitcoin, on the difficulty and on the guys from AMT. And how ever unorthodox they may be, they are in America and they have shipped miners.

That's all I care about, receiving my miners.

- Max order#1162

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Sirminesalot:

I'm a repeat customer of AMT. My first order has been fulfilled, my second order will be fulfilled as well. If i follow this thread right, your not even a customer of AMT.

We're not kissing ass, we're just glad that there is a company that is legit, located in america, and ships miners to it's customers.

If AMT delivers, people won't care who is behind it. Just like you don't care who is behind the majority of the products you buy. When you book a plane ticket, do you care who is behind Expedia? No you don't, you simply reserved your plane ticket, and Expedia takes your money for your order.

AMT just got their chips in on Friday the 31st. They reported a problem with the boards on Wednesday, and honestly i'd be skeptical if there wasn't a problem.  Ordering new boards takes time, 3 business day minimum and express prices are quite a lot in the PCB printing world. If they get their boards in this week, yes they could ship out end of the week, beginning of next week. And they have just said that they will do just that.

If they have their chips for more than a month and haven't delivered anything we will start asking questions. But as of now, if they start shipping next week, that'll actually be impressive in this industry.

Also, those that have declared ownership, paid for PR, had great reps and good backgrounds, skillsets applicable to the industry and millions to work with still have not gotten the job done. In such instances all we see is a name of a guy we don't know who made a miner that overheats. But at least we know his name, his position, his title and ownership percentage, and the fact that he probably wears his BLUETOOTH headset while he bangs the broad of the evening which has been written off as a company expense. That's really important stuff.

At this point, we'll take the shady co from Philly that sells on amazon which has already delivered a product.

Sirminesalot, I don't think you mine a lot. And again no one likes you.


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Oh, well good to know Josh is checking the thread with THAT username at least.
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March 21, 2014, 01:34:10 AM
Has anyone looked at Josh's other YouTube video?? I honestly don't understand...
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March 21, 2014, 01:08:54 AM
it looks like the coinminer was picked up at 12:04 this morning (your time) but the redirect virus was picked up a while ago. the first may have been picked up because of the second

meaning the coinminer may have been picked up because of the redirect virus.

Probably picked something up on one of those Bulgarian Freemason websites. Roll Eyes
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March 21, 2014, 12:38:10 AM
I'm not versed in these kind of things, but while having only Bitcointalk, flicker and AMT's site open, my laptop gave me a warning, and upon viewing what it was, I discovered the following, of which this is the very time I've ever opened up this device (a few minutes ago):



That's fucked up. I did a quick scan and search and no infections here but haven't been to their site today.
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March 21, 2014, 12:21:09 AM
for those of you that want to know how AMT treats customers have a look.

Craig,

You know what, I don't have the time to call Amazon right now because im worried about getting everyone else their orders. Here's what will happen, you will call amazon and get your negative comment removed, and once that is removed we'll issue you a refund. Because you need your money back Craig, and I know that. So once that negative review for a product that you didnt even buy is down, I'll send your refund back to you and you'll us alone.

Otherwise, we'll send you your miner and you can mine your money back.

Which would you prefer Craig Lenell??


On 2/21/2014 3:22 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
Oh you actually posted a review on a product that you never paid for? we'll get that removed shortly dont worry.

Craig, we're sending you a refund back to your address via check. you have no more options in this matter, you dont get your machine like everyone else next week.

You are bad person. You better leave me and our company alone from this point forward. Or we will open civil and legal action against you I promise you that.

I'll send you your tracking number shortly with your refund. please don't post on our thread anymore.  

All the best

Jim Brown.



My mistake. I guess the word punish was not used but that is sure the feeling I was left with after reading it.
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