Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 131. (Read 678353 times)

first they have to find you, in order to extradite you.

are the Bulgarian police really going to spend much time and effort to apprehend these guys?  time and effort are probably directly correlated to how much you pay them, out of your own pocket.  otherwise, where's the incentive for them?

I wonder if you can file a police report or have him arrested on suspicion of theft.

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/treaties/110-12

He could be.

Wheres your wire transfer refund?

What else is there to say really? He hangs up on Clennel, who he said he'd wire a refund back to: but never did. It's like AMT is full of compulsive liars and it's becoming very clear that this isn't going to end well for everyone.

TIME TO LAWYER UP!!!

As for what was said earlier about him taking funds up until bankruptcy: well that's assuming he plans on going through Bankruptcy. For all we know, he can flee to Bulgaria with millions and never be seen again. It's not like he'll be extradited to the U.S for Fraud.

rofl... im giggling at work thinking about it.

note: i just got josh to answer the phone again and guess what... he hung up like a bitch.

That would be priceless! That would almost be worth losing, just to say it in open court

I've ordered and paid AMT.

Also wrote about it: http://www.advancedminers-clients.com

Hey all,

we've asked for a refund, since a little over a week. In fact, we got one answer (out of daily mails) where "Jim" states:
(and I quote)
Apologies but refunds are not an option
(end quote)

I replied that we weren't asking, that we are telling. We have officially cancelled the order and officially requested a refund. Over here in Yurp we have different laws: if the company does not deliver within a set time frame the order is automatically cancelled and the client receives money back... (let's see if that ever happens )

He also replied in the same email (dated 17th) and that i found really interesting because I did not bring that up in any communications betwixt our companies:

(and, again, I quote)
We'll be shipping your miners this week. As long as we have shipped your products, we have done nothing illegal actually
(end quote)

That was really weird, as again i never mentioned any illegality whatsoever. Now, after the usual week's wait, we've handed everything over to our attorneys.
And also added a nice perk: for every day they do not refund our money we reserve the right to issue a 7% accumulative fine. Lawyer said I should. We're actually still not looking to litigate, we're merely trying to get our money back. Because: no delivery + no communications = bad business

J.

You'e kidding, right?  how could anyone in their right mind come across this thread, and still try to give AMT their money?

has to be a troll joke. 

Save yourself the headache and heartache.  shop elsewhere.

The greatest piece of investigative work to date tracking Josh Zipkin? Let's just say there is nothing left to mystery now with Joshy boy. If i want to drive and have lunch with him right now I can do it. It helps me sleep at night knowing where he is.

Yeah, I can see it now:

Judge says: "Clennel, you told Joshua Zipkin to eat a bowl of dicks!? CASE DISMISSED! AMT you are free to go!"

Oh right...there's that part about Josh taking millions of pre-order money from customers and not shipping a single thing. I forgot about that.

They won't give 3 shits about what was said. If anything, most people would understand people being UBER pissed at losing $6,000 to AMT.

Let me also remind you, that Clennel or anyone else with derogatory things to say: HAVEN'T BROKEN THE LAW. Only AMT has broken the law so far.

The 3 of you guys were AMT shills this whole thread, and now the tables have turned since you see your money is gone. I hope you sleep well at night knowing you probably helped funnel more customers to AMT with your unwarranted support, and ignorance to the shady details surround AMT that were so blatantly obvious. Remember when AMT said they'd give discounts to show moral support and fight trolls in this thread? You idiots took the bait on that, and now look where you are. All part of AMT's master plan to rouse up more pre-orderers at the expense of your credibility.

That said, the 3 of you should shut the fuck up because your credibility is ZERO. You have been wrong about AMT for most the thread and now you want to preach about 'acting properly'. Get real.

i recommend you stop thinking. it's not panning out.

While on the stand? What world are you living in? This isn't an episode of Law & Order.

Big deal, he called Josh's cell (afterall Josh has $6,000 of his money and hasn't given him a refund or updated him as to whats happening) - is this so far fetched for Clennel to call him? You're making a much bigger deal of him calling Josh than it actually is. I think he's within his right to call, it's not harrassment: we have OPEN ENDED business with Josh, so he's fair game.

As for the bowl of dicks comments. Big fucking deal. It's the internet, shit gets said - it has absolutely no bearing on what has taken place here (money paid, nothing received).

If anything, Clennel is guilty of abusing some internet etiquette. Big fucking whoop.

Focus on the real issues here, not the pissed off pre-orderers.

I want someone to tell AMT to eat a bowl of dick while on the stand. I mean I really want it to happen, I want to see it happen and I want to see the look on people's faces.

I'm wondering how the people who aren't on this forum are going about thing?

If they keep collecting money for orders up until they claim bankruptcy they are going to have a hard time getting bankruptcy granted.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/personal-liability-piercing-corporate-veil-33006.html

This will be of importance as well. I'm not sure how well they have kept these things together.

Haven't been around here in a while; what happened; I thought you were the resident AMT shill?

+10

Bottom line how does it look to a court? Perception matters. ALOT. Law plays a role of course. But if their lawyer in your proceedings sees that your correspondence was hostile and threatening and whatever else, you start to lose credibility and that is the first thing that gets called into question. Your premise for going at them. If you go into it with a good faith effort (which is a legal term as well) trying to get information all according to the law and your consumer protection in a calm (even if you are pissed) and collected manner you will get results. Might take a while but you will get them.

Problem is going in with racial slurs and telling people to eat "bowls of dicks" does not really hold up real well in a court of law. Going at anyone with any kind of threat does nothing but put them on a bigger defensive and lessens your offensive position. This is all strategy. Fact is even coming on here and broadcast intent to sue just prepares them and clams them up. Its strategically stupid. At shit point I am working on getting a refund if I get no reply to my current inquiry (which based on current patterns I can expect none and am just creating a papertrail).  I am looking to just get a refund or my miners at this point. If I get assurances I will get them by March 31st hell I will take pictures and post them here for all to see. I think that's worth something. But if I get a refund well, I will just use the money to take my business elsewhere as is my right. At least once this is put to bed I can move on and go elsewhere with my money. Getting irrational gets you nowhere.

Note that the people who get shit done in life are usually pretty collected and cool. They get the facts and play it cool. It is rare to seem them lose their cool. Those are succesful people. You seldom if ever see anyone who is running around calling people names and all that on the fortune 500 or even 1000.

You can be pissed and collected. Do I care for what is happening? No. Do we have proof of a scam? No, despite what everyone thinks I've yet to see real proof. Would I suggest anyone else ever do business with them? Absolutely not.

The problem is that when people lose their cool, even if angry and believe me I'm angry (maybe not for the exact same reason as others), they start to make crucial mistakes on how to handle things. They put their own cases in Jeopardy because they don't know how to hold their tongue, or prefer to cock a fist back rather than thinking everything through. My question to you is, how does this help them?

What favor did clenell do himself by getting a hold of Josh's personal number and calling him on it? Maybe he got under Josh's skin, maybe he feels like he finally stuck one to him. But wouldn't the better option have been to conceal that he had the number, waited for when he needed the Consumer Affairs office or some agency to to contact him via that line and blind sided him? So far as clenell has said calling Josh hasn't done anything in the way of getting a refund secured.

It's about being composed enough to wait for the right time to play the cards in your hand. I've not seen much of that here.

So let me be clear, I expect anyone who has money tied up with AMT to be upset, angry, pissed, enraged, but I also expect them to be smarter about things than how I've seem them handled on the forums up until this point.

Personal attacks and the like re not going to help you when you go to court. It is just more for them to use against you.

Reality check: People are pissed!

Friction, Opiem and Rik want to be all calm and collected about having lost several thousand dollars, that's fine. Just don't expect others to follow suit... and PLEASE for the love of god, I'm sick of hearing how 'you think' AMT has had the customers' best interest in mind. At no point were we ever given REAL updates and progress reports with substance. Now the shit has hit the fan and they are nowhere to be found. If they really were legit and cared about their customers, AMT_Miners wouldn't of disappeared; they would of updated the community somehow, someway. Last I checked it wasn't here, phone, emails, or their website.

Josh is probably stalling so he can continue collecting money for 'April' orders. I don't think we'll be seeing him again.

If they do decide to claim bankruptcy, I doubt they will let anyone know either.

My guess is that AMT is banking on the fact that most people on the internet, take losses like this and move on without telling anybody (due to embarrassment or thinking the justice system won't work for them).

Hey Joshy boy, I hope you look good in an orange jumpsuit!

And also don't take any discounts from AMT!