Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 202. (Read 678353 times)

At this point I couldn't give a shit whether you get ripped off or not. It will be hard to think you weren't asking for it, they way you have been fighting everyone here that has legitimate questions for AMT.

So you got ripped off in the past? I guess those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

I hope any newcomers that consider AMT, check out this thread and decide for themselves whether investing AMT is a good idea or not.

AMT has already said not to expect updates on this forum or thread anymore and have basically told members here 'visit their website' for more information: which means this thread isn't very OFFICIAL any longer. Fuck you, and the idea of starting a new thread. AMT doesn't own this forum, and you want this to be the 'best hopes and wishes for AMT' thread - not going to happen kiss ass!

I am still trying to get them to change the 20x10x20 cm size stat... and 8.0lbs. stat...

If it isn't official, or their information... then no... You go to one of the already existing topics called "scams", and post your crap there, or make a new post for your detective-work.

Better yet... you contact the police... the FBI... or anyone-else with proof of the crimes. Failure to do so, knowing a crime has been committed, makes you just as guilty and a possible accessory. Even if you did yell out loud, "thieves!"

Why no police report... Since you claim to be "helping us out", by trying to "save us from fraud"... Show them your proof of fraud, and come back here with the filed police report, and a follow-up investigation from real certified investigators. I would entertain their post, as i have entertained yours. However, their post would help us, unlike yours, which does nothing to help us. (If it were a little more clear, it might... But I doubt that.)

You could seriously start your own threads, and people would even help you collect information that MIGHT actually be helpful... if they didn't have to dig through the pink-words and hundreds of posts, with personal knocks between your findings. Knocks that have crude racist remarks, and lack any professionalism or seriousness. Might even make a few bucks doing your searches!

Not to mention, posting one link, is a lot easier to digest, in a thread. (A link to your own thread with the bible of information you collected.) If you have a reputation, you can use that to your advantage. But I don't recall AMT calling you a white-trash Caucasian-cracker... So that makes them more trusting than your posts. (Or what-ever derogatory remark best suits your race, or lack there-of.)

P.S. I am a white-trash Caucasian-cracker... I just assume everyone-else is also...

Why are you here again? Did you want a refund for your miner, or are you waiting like the rest of us, for delivery?

Phin is obviously only here to bash AMT... That is clear. (That's my detective work for the day)

If I ordered from KNC I would have nothing to show for it either... or BFL... or the china-knock-offs... Yet. So your point is moot. If I were a fanboy, I would be running around telling people to buy AMT miners. That, I am surely not doing, at this point, nor have I ever. (Once a miner is in my hands, reviewed, dissected and running... Then I might become a fanboy.)

You want to know who is accountable... the person who cashed the check... the credit-card... the wire... the BTC... It isn't like there is a mystery shop hidden off-shore operating this business.

As for the "blah blah blah.. mining growing thin.. diff climbing... sensitive market..." Yea, that is why we purchased next-gen hardware. To have the advantage over all those with old crap, that will disappear when we start mining. If they stay, then obviously they are getting returns with their old crap, so our new crap which is 10x faster, should be more than fine. You are not mining for today, you are mining for tomorrow. If you are mining BTC, at a loss, that is your choice. Mine something more rewarding.

According to your logic, if some entity named AcMe MIners started an official thread for hawking their wares, later, when serious question arise about their operation, NO relative information in that regard should be placed on ACME's official thread. Correct?

ISAWHIM - On another note: You may be patient but I do not understand why, given that bitcoin mining is highly time sensitive.

All this dicking around and delaying is costing us money in the long run.

Patience has grown thin and so have our chances to recoup our investments mining with each day that passes and deliveries aren't made!

Don't even start to compare AMT to APPLE or Microsoft. Those are long established companies with lots of money and credibility. They wouldn't ever let something like this happen because it would be devastating to their business. Not to mention if you wanted to sue either company, it'd probably be easier than trying to track down AMT's founder amidst all of this shit.

On the other hand, a little start up like AMT can take stupid risks and treat their customers like shit. No one knows who AMT is and if they walked away right now, they'd probably get away with it.

That's where the intel comes in. We want to know who is accountable IF they decide to walk away.

I do completely agree with that... I will not argue that I would like to have that known too. However, that, to me, is just a wish, not a desire.

I don't care who runs apple, or microsoft, or even these forums... I don't even know who owns the electric company... But I still pay the bills and buy things from them.

What matters most, is what they deliver. (To me... and deliver to me! lol)

I guess I am just still more understanding to the situation than the few who have made it clear, that they are less understanding and have thinly growing patience. Anticipation kills, even if this was all executed on-time and all estimations were 100% accurate... this forum would be full of the same posts. Until the second the miner arrives, and we never hear back from 90% of the people who posted before it arrived.

The detective-work, along with the other facts, has a place... Just not in the official post.

why no tracking numbers yet?

why no deliveries yet!?

Yeah, right. And after you 'CONSULT' with Josh, you can ask him to shove his penis down your throat - because that's how you've been acting in regards to AMT this whole thread. Fucking AMT fanboy from the start with nothing to show for it, as of yet.

I'd be worried about getting into any business dealings with you ISAWHIM because I question your decision making. You seem pretty intelligent, maybe you're just blinded by those dollar signs in your eyes, I don't get it.

More incentive for AMT to follow through, we could be like "Hey, we got these amazing miners into a pool; thanks to AMT's great engineering and expertise."

AMT, you have your bidders. I am on board, and we could only invite in people with AMT mining hardware? OR just an invite only type of privatized mine. There would be a huge SHARE cap for us if we did that.

Or altcoin designed. + private pooling

-All of this from waiting in line ....lol-

~SSgt Merry

Listen, if AMT was more upfront about who was running the business and working for them: people like Phin wouldn't have to dig for intel.

We don't even know who AMT_Miners is: I believe it's Josh Zipkin without a doubt, but they claim its various people from the team posting under the same account. I call bullshit on that!

Every communique so far (in videos directed to the members here) it has been Josh Zipkin - so for him to say otherwise, seems like complete horseshit.

If they weren't such LOUSY "business owners" then people here wouldn't be doing all this detective work. Everything is so secretive and misinformation is rampant; like they are covering their asses.

I could of posted a photos 100X better with my smartphone in 10 minutes - yet we get a like 9 photos, and they aren't even very detailed. A few of them are of pictures of the packaging material for the boxes...Really AMT? Really?

If I owned a legitimate bitcoin mining company, you'd see almost daily updates and photos/video of me and the team working on stuff. We would be proud to show it off. AMT posts lousy photos and appears to hide more than they show. I wonder why.

I want to make my own coin... But that is a topic for another day... Completely unrelated to AMT, but designed for sha256. It does require more than me, for the creation, so until I find a decent team, it waits for the opportune moment to strike.

Perhaps when Josh has more time on his hands, I could use his consulting service, and existing miners-base as the "opening-day" release for the coin. But until I have mine to play with, there is no need to move forward with talk of a coin-design. lol.

Though, an AMT pool would be a big promotional point, when the miners come into possession. They could even "test-mine" on the pool, giving those mined blocks to the "first buyers", while also showing customers, "Hey your miner is built, and being tested now, watch it mine for you live." With the link to the miner on the pool, with the same number as the order, to identify it, until it is shipped-out.

No, neither of the gentlemen looked like that man. One was behind the bar and the other was flipping chairs off tables because their work-day was just about to start. Nor did the man in the insurance office that I also asked directions from. The bartender was about 5'8" low-mid 30's Caucasian, the other man was the same. The man in the insurance office was 5'10"-ish 50+ Caucasian. I would most definitely have noticed a giant thundering around.

Phinnaseus Gage,

You are a cool dude, and I appreciate your concern with this Josh dude. I am just letting you know as a friend, your obsession with him is borderline creepy and gay bro.

Just, talk about other bitcoin mining ideas. Maybe even an ALTcoin design.

To throw a new topic in the mix, has anyone ever thought of all of us making a pool mine together?

That would be amazing, and then make our own COIN. We would call it: WaitingForAsicCoin  or WFAC LOL.

WFAC coin!!!!

bump bump bump

~SSgt Merry

But how is having control of a website = scammer? (That is the part I am having trouble digesting.)

Amazon owns lots of websites, as does ebay/paypal, as does microsoft... They also offer some consulting, and have some consulting done for them.

Sans bold pink text and multiple thoughts, the only sites I quoted were of those that Joshua Zipkin personally has/had control of, knowing damn well the difference you've kindly outlined.

and to answer your question , yes i WAS able to get in touch with them fairly easily, it could have been because i bought a large amount of miner from them . Did i get my miner yet NO, am i worried Yes. Do I think they are a scam No ( they may or may not have been the best tech brain out there, but they didnt come out to ME as a scam). The reason i wrote that note was because i wanted them to be able to focus on the technical issues that they were/ are facing. I know they have all the parts / components need to put this together, its just a matter getting them all to work together.  The legal cases and all the hate from ppl on the form weren't helping the cause

They are really bad at PR and communication skills, i am totally pissed off at them right now myself . But i still dont believe they are out here to fuck ppl over. I do want every one to get their miners including me, but this whole digging up the family things isnt doing anyone any good. Instead if there are any technical guy out on this form ( electrical engineers type) , should move out and put their brain in helping these resolve what ever the final hurdles are.  We have money invested into it and want our miners at the end of the day.

But since i enjoy our back and forth blows, let continue with that please.

Sorry Josh, but I have to add more info about you, for this point. (This is all public information posted by "Joshua Zipkin", as indicated by the matching photos and locations.)

Ok... Phin...

Let me try this in a civil manor...

Joshua Zipkin has a "Web Hosting Service", like I do... He hosts "other peoples websites", and helps them get started with setup and operation, AKA a consultant. These customers own the websites, he registers the names for them, and obviously hosts them on his web-servers. (Just like I do.)

Here, let me get that profile information for you...

http://www.crunchbase.com/person/joshua-zipkin

https://angel.co/josh-zipkin

http://www.crunchbase.com/company/the-deal-fair

http://vk.com/joshzipkin

https://www.youtube.com/user/zipkin33/feed

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Joshua+Zipkin&sns5=t104#Pennsylvania

Not seeing "scammer" anywhere... I am seeing a man, like myself, who has had decent jobs, and has expanded his field. Getting into more of a hardware edge, which includes the knowledge of the software edge he is familiar with.

Listing crap about the sites he "hosts", or has "offered assistance with", but does not OWN... is useless. Registration of the name is not ownership of the content.

You have also yet to provide some actual proof that the man he addressed, was actually his father. Though, you have made reasonable assumptions by his statements about the description of the person in question. (Still irrelevant to AMT as a business.)

Frauds would not go forward and make purchases, and continue to produce items, and then attempt to actually deliver. Frauds do nothing, thus, making them frauds. These guys are doing as they have promised, and are building us miners. (Though the other promises have fallen slightly short, they have not been fraudulent about it.)

The photos show some rather expensive operation setups. Obviously not bitmine.ch labs, and obviously with specific AMT designs. Things are moving as fast as I am sure they can. But obviously moving forward. We were not sent more "renderings", and "wish-lists", and "text-updates", but rather some physical evidence of actual production. (They would not produce if the machines did not already function, or did not have anything to actually produce.)

Your investigations are now falling on deaf ears. People here have already made purchases. You are just pissing them all off now. Thanks for diverting that anger, but your vendetta is still a little too informal for many to even understand. (Seriously, if you want a more effective acceptance of your findings, they need to be short, to the point, and strongly supported with facts. Not just assumptions of "if this is..." and "if that were...", and "how could this not be..." While also keeping those "long-shot assumptions", and hypothetical things, all in one location. Without excluding the other facts, which makes your rants seem like biased rants, not actual fact-finding, when you exclude the other facts.)

P.S. That is purely honest constructive criticism, not an attempt to get you to stop your research... Just asking that it be presented in a more digestible short form. (Without pink outlines )

I was tired last night when I typed that LOOOL :-P

I apologize for the confusion....I was doing final exams, like I am now....BTW I got home safe about 6 hours ago.

Your welcome for silencing the trolls AMT

~Casey