Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 280. (Read 678353 times)

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any Jr.member or newbie  with 1.2Th miner will attack that?

We need a thread on "How Asic manufacturers Troll bitcoiners."

Ignoramus at its best...

German car companies get their values by driving the cars.  American car companies get their values via a hooked up computer to simulate a driver....
I have never seen a driver said "LOOK I am doing 42 MPG but should be getting 34 MPG. This company is a liar."
and therefore, I never have seen a miner complain about getting better hashing numbers than what the company reports.  You always hear about people getting speeds under the values reported.

If you have to make a song and dance over stupidity, please consider working @ Walmart.  Stupidity at its best there.

I was referring to my specific orders... not his. Does he have full technicolor ability?

P.S. The cake is a lie!

So, as stated before, and the others have proven... Estimated values, are just estimates, even by a "regulatory board". (Regulatory boards use closed-loops, which are "perfect world" constants.) Saying it gets 34MPG and then it actually gets 42MPG would also be a "lie", so that german car defense is moot, and untrue BS. (I am sure a few cars are under-estimated, but not all german cars even have that information.)

The chips "nominal", and the "miners nominal" are/may not be the same. By your same analogy, you are not running the chip directly off the wall. It is part of a system, and the "system", is what determines the value it wants as nominal/normal. If you buy an overclocked unit, then the chip is not run at nominal speeds, though the oc-unit is running at a nominal level, for the unit. My GPU chips nominal use, by the MFG is 200W, the company that used the chip, runs it nominal {normal-stock} at about 225W. (It is an over-clockers card, pre-clocked.) Other versions of the card, cheap ones with poor regulators, nominally run about 180W to be "safe".

But anyways, you are complaining about a few watts, on specs that were an estimate, for a machine that didn't exist at the time, and is just being "made" now. Is that how you buy cars... You bitch about not getting 45MPG, because you only got 38MPG. And you have refused a good deal on a car, because you KNOW it will never get that MPG, at the speeds you want to drive it at.

Any-ways, now there is not much left for people to do, but nit-pick on the details. "Omg, it's blue in the picture and you sent me a red one!" By the way, nothing BFL said was even close to specs, and KNC is still ball-park, as were the Avalons, and every other created ASIC. Though, once delivered, they corrected the values a little. Avalons still crash at the rated speeds. Needing constant resetting.

I don't know why you can't fathom that ~600W is the estimated power for 1.2THs operation, and that ~300W is obviously the MINIMUM the unit runs at, at ???GHs. (That low is not stated. Why you would ever think that they are saying 300W @ 1.2THs is beyond my comprehension. That is not what it says.)

I just showed you that 1.2THs can be done at 420W, with plenty of room to spare, with those specific chips. "At the wall". My whole computer runs off 38W "at the wall", that is a 4GHz, quad-core, 8GB ram, 4 fans, and every component on the mother-board. (That is minus my 7x180W GPU's.) I am sure the rest of their system will consume less than that, which is still under 600W total.

My computer miners run from 800W - 1800W and get 4.4MHs (At the 1800W level they get the 4.4MHs, not at 800W, they only get about 3.0Mhs.) * This is a scrypt speeds, not sha-356 speeds. I make more money than a 120GHs sha-256 ASIC.
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256HashRate=120000.00&sha256Power=300.00&sha256PowerCost=0.1500&scryptHashRate=4400.00&scryptPower=1800.00&scryptPowerCost=0.1500&sha256Check=true&scryptCheck=true

Thus, why the 2x 1.2THs miner is the only viable option for the future. For me. (Time to retire my four scrypt miners, that cost me about $780 a month to operate, to replace them with something that only costs me about $128 a month to operate. I honestly don't care if it ends-up costing double that, in the end, in power.)
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256HashRate=2400000.00&sha256Power=1200.00&sha256PowerCost=0.1500&scryptHashRate=17600.00&scryptPower=7200.00&scryptPowerCost=0.1500&sha256Check=true&scryptCheck=true

Did you get confirmation chips shipped?  Are they showing up this week.  Hopefully    so!!'!

IOW, its a lie. More so since the spec sheet states "1,200 GH/s nominal performance "
AT nominal speeds, there is no way they can hit the stated power consumption range. It will use >800W. That it can use less at unspecified speeds is about as relevant as what it consumes when its not hashing or turned off.  Power consumption scales fairly linearly with clockspeed (at any given voltage) so you can put any arbitrary low power estimate there as long as you dont specify the speed. They might as well have called it a 20W miner.


What other vendor sells miners stating only a low power consumption mode without the corresponding speed, while advertising the speed without the corresponding power consumption?


Which does not reflect well on them either. Keeping up the appearance its their own chip.


Its a lie if its deliberate. As for your GPU, you dont connect a GPU to an outlet at the wall. It doesnt have a PSU, so there is no way for the vendor to state those numbers. But at default settings, particularly when running typical workloads, it will use ~250W or less from the PSU, not 500+W. Otherwise that manufacturer is lying.


or two? Clenell was promised delivery first week of January. You wouldnt be implying they might be lying about delivery dates too ? .

Out of curiosity, what was your order number? And what miner did you order? Someone should really keep track of this like they did for BFL and the other companies.

Well some good news... "Hey, we're working on it, and should have it shipped out tomorrow hopefully.  All the best"

I will be happy to see it at my house... soon. Once I get it, I will post pics of the unit and how it functions.  Having that sliver, albeit brief communique, helps reassure the customers... 

Thank you for the update AMT.

This could be true for American Car companies... but German Car Companies use real world testing... When Volkswagen said their TDIs get 55MPG, I can get that and even more... so never say never.

MPG numbers aren't "perfect world estimates". They are actual tests done on those vehicles by the EPA and manufacturers are forced to publish the EPA numbers regardless of their own estimates or real world performance. So, unless these numbers are coming from a national [supposedly] unbiased testing facility, your analogy is not accurate.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

1.2THs = 1200GHs

The spec-sheet says...
(20GHs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip
1200GHs/20GHs = 60 Chips
60 * 7W = 420W

Respectively... On the top-end...
(40Ghs @ 1.0W/GH = 40W) = 1 Chip
1200GHs/40GHs = 30 Chips
30 * 40W = 1200W


With the above two stated setups... The lower one would operate at less than 300W, but not 300W while at 1.2THs speeds.

(20Ghs @ 0.35W/GH = 7W) = 1 Chip
600GHs/20GHs = 30 Chips
30 * 7W = 210W

This same 30 chips can do 1.2THs, but not at 600W. (40 chips possibly, between the two numbers.)

300W/7W = ~44 chips (low)
which would be 44*20Ghs=880GHs on the low 300W

600W/13.6W = ~44 chips (below nominal)
which would be 44*28GHs=1232GHs (1.2THs) on below nominal About 600W
Again, I assume this LIMIT is due to the PSU ability, and heat-dissipation ability. Not a limit of the chip itself. (If 44 is what is used.)

11 boards of 4 chips = 44
8 boards of 6 chips = 48
6 boards of 8 chips = 48
Or mixed, one with 4  or 6 chips, to even it out. For the 48-chip odd arrangements.

Thus, like I said... like every MFG does... They state perfect-world estimated ranges. 40MPG Hwy - 32MPG City, but it never gets that, ever... Thus 300-600W, and the "max speed" may only be 1.2THs. They never said what the low speed is.

They didn't even confirm that the A1 chip is what is being used. (That is what we assume.)

It isn't a LIE, if no-one has it yet. "Specs subject to change". Even then, it isn't a LIE, it is an error. If that is what they were told, then that is what they repeated, as specs. My video cards say 250W, but I have them running at 135W, and have pushed them over 290W. Yet the specs still say "consumes 250W". Which is not "at the wall".

But I agree that the specs seem under-estimated, possibly. (The other components are all low-power, except the PSU and fans. They run off USB-power, so they have to be low wattage.) Another thing they forget to think about, is European power is 240v, which is half the amps, and more efficient than American power at 120v. That will add 15-25% inefficiency to the PSU alone, even a platinum PSU, which is only rated at 90% efficient at 240V, with an 85% load. (Which, by the way, is a LIE, because PSU's never get that efficient. )

One more month, or two... and we will see the results, in full technicolor detail.

i logged in just fine.

Well so far,
I sent multiple emails for my tracking number.
None has been sent to me.
No confirmation of unit being sent.
Can't log in into AMT user site, says my password is incorrect.
Tried to reset password, page goes into an endless referral loop. (Tried IE, Chrome, Firefox)
I still have faith that they will do what is necessary to get back in touch with me in the coming days.... If I don't hear from them by 27th, but see them posting here will mean only one thing....

Those who have placed your orders with AMT, please verify your account to see if they are working and report back here... cause it is illogical why my account should not be working... I use a password safe and never changed it.

Ok, those numbers are new. I got the answer I got when I asked. I guess Bitmine made an estimate since then.

However, first of all , those are number for the chips, not the miner. AMT sells miners, so their power consumption is going to be higher since VRMs, PSU's etc cant be 100% efficient. So there is no way in hell these machines could possibly be expected to consume 0.35 * 1200 = 420W. If you factor in real world inefficiencies, 500W at the wall would be a minor (miner?) miracle.  For AMT to state power consumption as 300W-.. is a lie. They might as well have put 3W or 0.3W there.

Secondly, assuming bitmine hit their specs, to get anywhere close to the stated efficiency would mean AMT is under clocking the chips to their minimum speed and have 60 A1 chips in there per miner. Which also implies at nominal speeds,  their rig should have no problems hashing at 1500 GH and in turbo mode it should achieve 2.4 TH. What are the odds they are selling machines that are perfectly capable (with adequate PSU) of hashing at 2.4TH, but only advertising 1.2 ? Considering they were marketing 40GH bitfury boards as 64GH, I rate those chances slim to non existent.

AMT, feel free to clarify how many A1's will be in that miner.

 

yes, i can prove my purchase (order #610) but there really is no point - the goal post would subsequently be moved and you'd find another hoop for me to jump through. im through convincing the naysayers on this thread. i will post plenty of pics though when i get my miner.

And can you prove any of this business which you done with them?
Any miner in hand? Maybe i lost this somewhere but none of members who earned respect on this board can vouch for them.
My terrible english or bad grammar can be explained by being foreigner.
Still learning this language exactly by writing what i think and what i feel is appropriate.
Main point is that not even one legit person can say good thing about this from the beginning of this thread.
OP acted like kid, tried to get positive feedback by dropping 5% of original price. Than members who means nothing to forum start acting like army of ATM and who ever want to speak about subject is straight attacked.
Probably that is clear sign of legitimacy.
But again who am i to make assumptions. Your statement means nothing to me as you cannot prove anything positive in this board.
You didnt made any business with anyone legit here and therefore i suggest wait for your miner and show some evidence to all future customers.

ok, im not knocking you for terrible english or bad grammar. nevertheless, i must say comprehension issues are real. i will restate my point... not every new person who purchased a miner is on the AMT payroll. i will make I statements... i am not associated with AMT but i did send them a lot of money and have a vested interest in this company doing well.

Make it two months, and you got a deal.

Your history on this forum is not better.
So many j.members and newbies jumped on this forum and purchased 1.2th machine?...Thats what makes me laugh.
I got to the 3rd page of your full history and what i can see: ATM, or the bulgarian part of this legit business.

Thank you very much for making assumptions about my theories.
What i noticed:
members who actually done something in past and have history on this board pointed issues with this thread, and how legit all this is.
Newbies and j.members trying to show how legit this business is.

But yeah...tinfoil hat theories....

so after all this amt is just a middle man. they just buy the parts and resell them.  wouldnt it be better just to buy from vendor. would be cheaper right? give me an idea


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parts
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a micro atx case
800 chinese brand Powersuppy
a 4 port usb connection


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