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Topic: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 219. (Read 723903 times)

newbie
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I hate hidden order. We have to pay more fee now. I almost pay 30% fee more than before. I don't know whether I can believe bitfinex again, may be it's time to leave bitfinex!
member
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Hey,

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team


Instead of focusing on placing BitFinex within Qt-Trader, which is cool,
but at the same time lists you with every other BitCoin Exchange, ie: Competition,

Here is a Client Exchange SoftWare somewhat similar to MT4, but better, and probably less expensive,
These guys are using it:

https://upbit.org/en/terminal/for-desktop/

And Calling it "CopperLark" under a white-label agreement,

But it's Dev is here:

http://protrader.com/

http://blog.pfsoft.com/


This is one HOT piece of software,
they also have a web-interface whereas
customers can have a choice of using the client software terminal,
or using the web interface, check it out, DownLoad is FREE, this could give BitFinex the EDGE with Traders !
full member
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some bastards are spoiling the market with huge wall every 2-5$ interval.. when reaching him he just cancel the ask order and move back.... i hope some rich guy just buy all the spoiler coins..

You just need to get him quicker next time.
full member
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some bastards are spoiling the market with huge wall every 2-5$ interval.. when reaching him he just cancel the ask order and move back.... i hope some rich guy just buy all the spoiler coins..
full member
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When viewing the Total Return Swaps screen and browsing the offers, often times there are multiple offers at any given interest rate and the number of offers is displayed for instance 3 offers all at 0.14%.  Sometimes the length of the offers very so the display will be something like 2-30 days.

Is there anyway to see a breakdown of the money offered for each different term.  It is possible that on a $10,000 offer maybe $9,000 is offered for 2 days and $1,000 is offered at 30 days, or the opposite could be true, $1,000 is a 2 day offer and $9,000 is a 30 day offer.  Is there a way to see this breakdown?

It would be useful when setting my lending rates.

Peace

have a look here: http://charts-bfxdata.rhcloud.com
tables and charts, showing exactly what you are looking for Smiley
Look at the tables below the graphs and you can see the rates, periods and amounts of all offers / demands.
hero member
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You can see this using the API.
Ok, I have generated an API key, but how do I view the API, is there a tutorial somewhere?
I see the URL, but I don't know how to use it.
legendary
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You can see this using the API.
hero member
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When viewing the Total Return Swaps screen and browsing the offers, often times there are multiple offers at any given interest rate and the number of offers is displayed for instance 3 offers all at 0.14%.  Sometimes the length of the offers very so the display will be something like 2-30 days.

Is there anyway to see a breakdown of the money offered for each different term.  It is possible that on a $10,000 offer maybe $9,000 is offered for 2 days and $1,000 is offered at 30 days, or the opposite could be true, $1,000 is a 2 day offer and $9,000 is a 30 day offer.  Is there a way to see this breakdown?

It would be useful when setting my lending rates.

Peace
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thanks for the clear response. i really appreciate the service you provide Smiley



Well,

As for the service,

I have to admit there is not much better out there to be had at the moment,

Guess he knows that and it affords him the luxury of being "Asinine" at will,

Their excuse for charging us more fees was,

Hey  "Bitcoin is a Volatile market, not a Bond yielding 3% a year"

Great, that's all the reason in the world, charge us more why don't you.

If it's that great, then invest in a Professional Customer Service staff whereas

we can get answers to questions when asked and not have to deal with "Arrogance".

Words to the Wise !
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
this statement is false
been trading BFX for awhile now, through TorBrowser. recently i noticed that the site would return a "security error" every now and again, citing my IP and forcing me to reconnect with a different identity. why is this?

also, i know some traders who are being offered 4:1 leverage. why is my highest option 2.5:1?

thanks

i know the new KYC/AML implementations are forefront right now, but could someone comment on the above? i would really appreciate some clarification.

--arepo

1) nobody is being offered 4:1 leverage as far as I know.
2) this is not due to us, we use Incapsula antiddos attack software and this can be the cause.

have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team

thanks for the clear response. i really appreciate the service you provide Smiley
member
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Check this, please
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lets-talk-about-btcsx-and-mtgox-524429

These guys connected with Mt. Gox!
For the sake of all the robbed in cryptocommunity, highlight this, participate!


Why are you making reference to

BTC.sx

that's BTC.sx

not

BitFinex / BFX

Totally Irrelevant.
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
I actually.. see alot of people being really unreasonable.
Overall, Bitfinex is really doing a good job giving a us leverage trading  (Thou it will become better with more volume in the future).
They have a system, it's decent and you and I as a trader/bag holder whatever have a choice to USE THIS system.
The ID checks and etc is a good thing why? Cause it protects them and us. I used to do forex trading and it was always a required step.
I got nothing to hide or lose as long as they have a strict confidentiality agreement on the documents that was given to them.
Overall a very good system.
it will be nice if I can insert buy/sell or maybe i should test out the OCO hahah

Thanks so far.



The updated requirement is:

A – 2 X photo ID (passport and national ID card copy)
B - recent electrical bill / property tax / telephone (no other type accepted)
C - copy of a bank statement / bank account in your name - should be the same account from which you receive / send funds
D - occupation detail and source of income explained on the form


Bitfinex team, what if ID and paper documents required showing other than English such as chinese, japanese, russian etc. ?

If other languages documents accepted ok, then it is convenient for people to submit these documents.

we have no problem with japanese, chinese and russian documents

have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team


Are you saying that if we are already "Verified" with Passport that now we have to provide another Photo I.D. also ?


Just one problem with that,
they never answered the question above,
two of them came on-line and conveniently avoided the question,

But I'm use to them not answered my questions,
as they always tell the customers, "You are not obliged to stay",
I'm reviewing my options, searching for greener pastures, really don't even have to be so much greener.

These guys have some serious attitude problems, imho.

For me I only see that as problems down the road,
if they don't give a damm about how you feel now, then what's next ?
draw your own conclusions, it's every man for himself,
like those that stuck around for the Gox debacle,
in my opinion got just what they deserved,
the writing was all over the wall.

Yawn


A "Zebra Does Not Change It's Stripes",
Giancarlo of Bitfinex Team, as "Asinine" as ever,

Why does that not surprise me at all ?
sr. member
Activity: 446
Merit: 250
CAT.EX Exchange
I actually.. see alot of people being really unreasonable.
Overall, Bitfinex is really doing a good job giving a us leverage trading  (Thou it will become better with more volume in the future).
They have a system, it's decent and you and I as a trader/bag holder whatever have a choice to USE THIS system.
The ID checks and etc is a good thing why? Cause it protects them and us. I used to do forex trading and it was always a required step.
I got nothing to hide or lose as long as they have a strict confidentiality agreement on the documents that was given to them.
Overall a very good system.
it will be nice if I can insert buy/sell or maybe i should test out the OCO hahah

Thanks so far.



The updated requirement is:

A – 2 X photo ID (passport and national ID card copy)
B - recent electrical bill / property tax / telephone (no other type accepted)
C - copy of a bank statement / bank account in your name - should be the same account from which you receive / send funds
D - occupation detail and source of income explained on the form


Bitfinex team, what if ID and paper documents required showing other than English such as chinese, japanese, russian etc. ?

If other languages documents accepted ok, then it is convenient for people to submit these documents.

we have no problem with japanese, chinese and russian documents

have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team


Are you saying that if we are already "Verified" with Passport that now we have to provide another Photo I.D. also ?


Just one problem with that,
they never answered the question above,
two of them came on-line and conveniently avoided the question,

But I'm use to them not answered my questions,
as they always tell the customers, "You are not obliged to stay",
I'm reviewing my options, searching for greener pastures, really don't even have to be so much greener.

These guys have some serious attitude problems, imho.

For me I only see that as problems down the road,
if they don't give a damm about how you feel now, then what's next ?
draw your own conclusions, it's every man for himself,
like those that stuck around for the Gox debacle,
in my opinion got just what they deserved,
the writing was all over the wall.

Yawn
member
Activity: 65
Merit: 10
Are you saying that if we are already "Verified" with Passport that now we have to provide another Photo I.D. also ?
Just one problem with that,
they never answered the question above,
two of them came on-line and conveniently avoided the question,

They did say this:

2) We just require extra documents to accounts that show abnormal patterns of withdrawals or any strange behavior.

My guess is that "strange behavior" means transactions that could look like money laundering and things like that.


I think your guess is right.
Although Bitfinex still much room for improvement,  I support them in this regard for security reason.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
looks like the litecoin hot wallet went out of money.  I have my withdraw in pending approval.
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
I actually.. see alot of people being really unreasonable.
Overall, Bitfinex is really doing a good job giving a us leverage trading  (Thou it will become better with more volume in the future).
They have a system, it's decent and you and I as a trader/bag holder whatever have a choice to USE THIS system.
The ID checks and etc is a good thing why? Cause it protects them and us. I used to do forex trading and it was always a required step.
I got nothing to hide or lose as long as they have a strict confidentiality agreement on the documents that was given to them.
Overall a very good system.
it will be nice if I can insert buy/sell or maybe i should test out the OCO hahah

Thanks so far.



The updated requirement is:

A – 2 X photo ID (passport and national ID card copy)
B - recent electrical bill / property tax / telephone (no other type accepted)
C - copy of a bank statement / bank account in your name - should be the same account from which you receive / send funds
D - occupation detail and source of income explained on the form


Bitfinex team, what if ID and paper documents required showing other than English such as chinese, japanese, russian etc. ?

If other languages documents accepted ok, then it is convenient for people to submit these documents.

we have no problem with japanese, chinese and russian documents

have a good day

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team


Are you saying that if we are already "Verified" with Passport that now we have to provide another Photo I.D. also ?


Just one problem with that,
they never answered the question above,
two of them came on-line and conveniently avoided the question,

But I'm use to them not answered my questions,
as they always tell the customers, "You are not obliged to stay",
I'm reviewing my options, searching for greener pastures, really don't even have to be so much greener.

These guys have some serious attitude problems, imho.

For me I only see that as problems down the road,
if they don't give a damm about how you feel now, then what's next ?
draw your own conclusions, it's every man for himself,
like those that stuck around for the Gox debacle,
in my opinion got just what they deserved,
the writing was all over the wall.
member
Activity: 97
Merit: 10
I actually.. see alot of people being really unreasonable.
Overall, Bitfinex is really doing a good job giving a us leverage trading  (Thou it will become better with more volume in the future).
They have a system, it's decent and you and I as a trader/bag holder whatever have a choice to USE THIS system.
The ID checks and etc is a good thing why? Cause it protects them and us. I used to do forex trading and it was always a required step.
I got nothing to hide or lose as long as they have a strict confidentiality agreement on the documents that was given to them.
Overall a very good system.
it will be nice if I can insert buy/sell or maybe i should test out the OCO hahah

Thanks so far.
full member
Activity: 133
Merit: 100
Hi Raphael,

We have chosen the former option, ie as soon as your limit order is partially filled, the stop order is entirely cancelled.  Because you could chose to change your plan in case of partial fill.
Of course this is not set in stone and depending on further feedback we may change this behavior.
What I don't like about this approach is that it still isn't "waterproof", you still can't use it properly in a hands-off fashion. A partial fill would mean that either the market bounces at your limit order but continues in the same direction (that would be fine), or that it has turned around precisely at the point of your limit order. In the latter case you'd really need the stop that got canceled, but your position now is without protection. This doesn't give you peace of mind, even when you're 100% clear about your trading plan.

The other approach leaves you only with the risk of slippage, which you always have.

If, as you say, you choose to change your plan in case of a partial fill, you could still do so in the second option. You'd just have to cancel both orders separately, if I understood correctly. I don't see any downside in this.

Edit: This brings me to a feature proposition: It would be nice if one day you could "edit" open positions, without having to cancel them and open a modified version. Like just changing the limit price of an open order...

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About the leverage I hear you, and hope we can enable higher leverage soon once we are more comfortable with our liquidity and volatility.

I was just commenting on Arepo's allegation that traders could still keep their 4:1 leverage.

I don't have any problems with the lower leverage -- liquidity and market depth have to be adequate for higher leverage. Imagine how the flash crash on Feb 10 would've gone if  people had been long at 4:1... However, I enjoyed the 4:1 in the November bull run, but I agree, safety is the top priority here. Where would we be as traders if no one provided liquidity...


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1) Deposits - withdrawals fees:  To put things into perspective a customer can now withdraw or deposit 30,000 usd and be charged a fee of 30 usd.
I frankly speaking don't believe this is even a problem to talk about in case you move money in and out once in a while.
Bitcoin is not a treasury bond yielding 3% a year, it is highly volatile and I believe we are making much ado for nothing.
Please understand our current financial system is based on checks and parameters.
The more we move in and out of our accounts, the more banks will be likely to notice our flows, the more attention we will get.
What we are trying to discourage here is not an occasional deposit or withdrawal, it's people moving money in and out daily as there was no tomorrow.
This behavior is putting our system under stress and is representing a potential threat to our security.  


if this is the reason behind the recent increase in fees there are much better solutions Wink

pinnaclesports.com (one of the major bookmakers in the world) has a system where every customer gets 1 completely free withdrawal per month.
And because they also try to prevent people depositing/withdrawing excessively they have a policy where each additional withdrawal
is charged with a flat fee.

By that structure they incentive people to withdraw responsibly and minimize unnecessary transactions.

But I guess you won´t change it anyways, just wanted to mention there are other possible solutions for the problems you
experienced  Wink
hero member
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been trading BFX for awhile now, through TorBrowser. recently i noticed that the site would return a "security error" every now and again, citing my IP and forcing me to reconnect with a different identity. why is this?

also, i know some traders who are being offered 4:1 leverage. why is my highest option 2.5:1?

1) nobody is being offered 4:1 leverage as far as I know.

@arepo: I was among those who kept the "legacy" 4:1 leverage longer than it was offered in the options/settings. It was reduced for me to 2.5:1 about 2 months ago, if I remember correctly. Right now I definitely can't trade 4:1 anymore.

@giancarlo:

I was thrilled to read about the new OCO option, as this makes it a lot easier to follow a clear trading plan without having to watch the market all the time to have some peace of mind.

However, one thing is unclear to me. The FAQ says "...if one order is executed fully or partially, then the other order is automatically canceled." In case of partial filling, will the other order be canceled entirely or just get its amount reduced to still match the partially filled order?

The former is what I read from the FAQ text, the latter is what would make sense IMO...


Hello,

We have chosen the former option, ie as soon as your limit order is partially filled, the stop order is entirely cancelled.  Because you could chose to change your plan in case of partial fill.
Of course this is not set in stone and depending on further feedback we may change this behavior.

Please also note that at the moment, you have to place your stop price at least 1% away from the ticker price for OCO orders.

About the leverage I hear you, and hope we can enable higher leverage soon once we are more comfortable with our liquidity and volatility.

Thank you for the feedback, have a good day everyone
Raphael
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