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Topic: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 323. (Read 723990 times)

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Hey Raphy

Any word on how the migration of the system is going? 
And is this the front end or the backend that is being adapted?

Thanks

Hello,

It's the backend side that is worked on. The last few days should have been better though (if you can confirm), and in the new few days it will be even better. The migration will been more progressive, and if there is any downtime you will be informed in advance by email.

Thanks


Ichthyo,

Thanks for your comment, it's always appreciated especially from such a long term user as you Smiley

Raphael
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since some people complain about bugs in Bitfinex causing losses --
I'd like to add my observation. I am using the platform since a long time, and yes, we indeed had bugs in the engine in the early days. But I am not aware of any user visible bugs in the engine today; since quite some time the engine behaves solid. I noticed some display or UI glitches from time to time, and they got fixed, before I came around to reporting them. (I can't judge the situation on the lending feature, since I used that only occasionally)

From my own experience (as developer) I know that users tend to label features they'd like to be different as "bugs". We all would totally love to go long unlimited on Bitstamp. But the fact that Bitfinex cuts the ask side when lacking liquidity is by no means a "bug". Rather, spending money that isn't there would be a bug.

Likewise, the fact that -- when money is credited at Bitstamp -- the two ask sides of both markets are re-combined again, is not a bug, but the very way this platform is constructed. So don't call that a surprise. For the trader, this situation is equivalent to a sudden market drop. This too can happen, and no one should complain when he gets a forced liquidation due to such a sudden movement. This is part of the risk management: either choose the size of your position in accordance to the maximum loss you're planning to accept, or use stop orders at the right level. Or don't if you don't want to bother or just plain want to gamble.  Grin
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Hey Raphy

Any word on how the migration of the system is going? 
And is this the front end or the backend that is being adapted?

Thanks
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On another note, Bitstamp is currently unavailable via his API.

We will reenable it as soon as possible.

Thanks
Raphael
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Hello everyone,

Still a lot going on under the hood, but I've been asked to explain more in details the "Claim" position feature and the principles behind it.

So here it is:

When you reduce a long position on Bitfinex, you actually realize a profit (or a loss), that is kept in the unrealized P/L of the position by moving the base price.

The idea is that at some point, you will realize enough profit to cover for the loans and the pending swap of the position. When this happen, the bitcoins of the position can actually be yours, since you don't need to borrow anything to keep them.

So when this happen, you can claim the position. Which means the following:
-You will be credited the realized profit in USD (minus paid back loans).
-You will be charged the pending swap (always lower than previous USD profit).
-The position amount in BTC will be credited on your balance directly (with a fee based on the amount credited).

There is no trading involved at any time.

If you don't have enough realized profit to claim the position, when you'll click on "Claim", the system will tell you "You need to sell approximately XX bitcoins at the current price to claim the position", but it's up to you to sell those bitcoins with the type of orders you want.

Best regards
Raphael
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What does the new "Claim" button do? (in margin trading screen)

The claim button allows traders which are in a winning position to close it and to transfer the gain without having to change coins into fiat and then back into coins. The purpose of this option is to avoid losses due to slippage.

Example: I took a long position using 400 usd of collateral for 10 BTC back at the beginning of October when the price was 100 usd each and now the price is 1000 so my P/L tell me I have a profit of 9600 minus my swap position which is 38 usd.
I want to close my position but keep my coins ( I don't want to divest into USD).
By pressing the claim button the software will change into usd only the necessary amount to cover for the loans and the swap and keep the rest into coins.
This basically have the advantage to avoid slippage caused by selling and buying coins again.
The commission applied for such service is equal to the sum of the 2 operations our customer will pay if the trades were be executed on Bistamp ( i.e 2 x 0.35% = 0.7% ).

Please let me know if something is not clear


Have a good day

Giancarlo

 

This is a seriously great feature!
Thanks guys. Good work.
Now if only I had a leveraged long position at the moment. I meant to set one up back at $600 but was too busy to get to it.... Maybe the next ramp.
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Thanks for the explation and for this new feature.

Also I want to thank you and Raphael for your communication here (and I don't mind you being "human"  Grin ) it's the best I've seen for an operation at this level. The fact you are responding honest and quickly and the way how you handled the "black swan" event with Gox (not like a garage company) are the main reasons I trust to use your service.

Thanks dude

posts like yours mean so much for us.

Have a good day

Giancarlo
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Thanks for the explation and for this new feature.

Also I want to thank you and Raphael for your communication here (and I don't mind you being "human"  Grin ) it's the best I've seen for an operation at this level. The fact you are responding honest and quickly and the way how you handled the "black swan" event with Gox (not like a garage company) are the main reasons I trust to use your service.
sr. member
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What does the new "Claim" button do? (in margin trading screen)

The claim button allows traders which are in a winning position to close it and to transfer the gain without having to change coins into fiat and then back into coins. The purpose of this option is to avoid losses due to slippage.

Example: I took a long position using 400 usd of collateral for 10 BTC back at the beginning of October when the price was 100 usd each and now the price is 1000 so my P/L tell me I have a profit of 9600 minus my swap position which is 38 usd.
I want to close my position but keep my coins ( I don't want to divest into USD).
By pressing the claim button the software will change into usd only the necessary amount to cover for the loans and the swap and keep the rest into coins.
This basically have the advantage to avoid slippage caused by selling and buying coins again.
The commission applied for such service is equal to the sum of the 2 operations our customer will pay if the trades were to be executed on Bistamp ( i.e 2 x 0.35% = 0.7% ).

Please let me know if something is not clear

Have a good day

Giancarlo





 
legendary
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What does the new "Claim" button do? (in margin trading screen)

IF you are long BTC, I think the claim button let you claim the coin so you can transfer it out.

Wish they do the same for short.
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What does the new "Claim" button do? (in margin trading screen)
legendary
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Any support on?

My btc deposit isn't being shown as pending or credited after 8+ confirmation.

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I sent 6 btc 3 hours ago, but still don't see it on bitfinex. I checked everything. My user name in bitfinex is romantic1. What's the problem ?
sr. member
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Well, then trade 10k EUR there and not half a million... Roll Eyes

If you trade some small volume there, they might grow. If you wait until they are your size, it might be the case that you shrink to thier size while waiting... Wink

10k usd is now 12 BTC.
You really mean it?
Seriously?
Then either me or you just don't get things.
I let other readers judge.....
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I just plainly can't believe what i'm reading here !

I've lost at least 20% of my bitcoins due to bitfinex bugs (some lost 85% on bugs (not bad trades but really bitfinex bugs !!)) ... and yet they go on as if everything was normal Smiley

Let me rape you (bitfinex) of 20% of your money you idiots... we'll see how you react !

You are a dying platform as the market matures and realize what you really represent ! You will very soon be out of the game for the best of everyone !

Yawn

Customer support or customer insulting?! Seriously what the hell do you think this accomplishes? Showing off how hard you work in the background? How excellent your platform is? If you have nothing nice or useful to say, say nothing! Even MPOE-PR knows when to not respond to trolls...

He says we are idiots.
I yawn.
Customer insulting?
What the hell are you talking about, man?

Giancarlo
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I just plainly can't believe what i'm reading here !

I've lost at least 20% of my bitcoins due to bitfinex bugs (some lost 85% on bugs (not bad trades but really bitfinex bugs !!)) ... and yet they go on as if everything was normal Smiley

Let me rape you (bitfinex) of 20% of your money you idiots... we'll see how you react !

You are a dying platform as the market matures and realize what you really represent ! You will very soon be out of the game for the best of everyone !

Yawn

Customer support or customer insulting?! Seriously what the hell do you think this accomplishes? Showing off how hard you work in the background? How excellent your platform is? If you have nothing nice or useful to say, say nothing! Even MPOE-PR knows when to not respond to trolls...
sr. member
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I just plainly can't believe what i'm reading here !

I've lost at least 20% of my bitcoins due to bitfinex bugs (some lost 85% on bugs (not bad trades but really bitfinex bugs !!)) ... and yet they go on as if everything was normal Smiley

Let me rape you (bitfinex) of 20% of your money you idiots... we'll see how you react !

You are a dying platform as the market matures and realize what you really represent ! You will very soon be out of the game for the best of everyone !

The arrow is shot, the target is missed.
Who is to blame?
The archer?
Of course not, it's the bow's fault!

Yawn
sr. member
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I just plainly can't believe what i'm reading here !

I've lost at least 20% of my bitcoins due to bitfinex bugs (some lost 85% on bugs (not bad trades but really bitfinex bugs !!)) ... and yet they go on as if everything was normal Smiley

Let me rape you (bitfinex) of 20% of your money you idiots... we'll see how you react !

You are a dying platform as the market matures and realize what you really represent ! You will very soon be out of the game for the best of everyone !
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ManualMiner
didnt know of this thread until now, so i posted my questions here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfinex-questions-309082

is anyone here who has some answers? thx
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No one can get fiat in unless they are in one of the states where they are licensed as a money transmitter.
...or lives in the SEPA Zone. Roll Eyes A deposit is credited within hours, max. 1 day usually. Maybe you can fax checks in the US? Cheesy

not exactly, wire from one bank to another in sepa zone can take up to three days too, if it the transfer is inside one country, country to country transfers can take longer.
sepa transfers should be made on the next day, unless

-you wire close to, or at closing hours of the bank, then the bank is allowed to initiate the transfer only the next day, resulting in a 2 day transfer
-you wire friday night (or before a bank holiday), wire goes through monday or tuesday
-you wire with a bank that adds one or more "extra-day", thats not legal anymore, but a lot of banks do it.

btw sepa is nothing really new, everything works as before here in europe, sepa is just a harmonization done by the eu:

-every bank account in europe now has a "bic" and "iban" number, before that it was just any account number and any number to identifiy the bank and for that one had to give the bank name and the recipients full name and adress to allow proper identification of accounts; now its a fixed scheme: the iban number is the bank account number, it starts with a country identifier, i.e. DE..... for a german bank account, the bic number is the bank identifier and onlay needed if one transfers eu-nation to another eu-nation.
-costs of trans-europe transfer have a max now (which is MUCH lower, than what banks used to take). BUT there are SEPA countries, that are no EU-members and so they are not bound to the max cost-regulation, haha, Switzerland for example...
-there is a max duration for transfers now, but please show me one bank that was punished for not complying..
-some other things not directly related to wire transfers have been regulated, see http://www.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu/content.cfm?page=sepa_vision_and_goals (site run by some eu agency).
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