Topic: OGnasty has been compromised. |ID!0T| - page 10. (Read 10144 times)

How could people here in the forum help you if you are having a mental breakdown everytime you get mad.
You need the support of other users but yet you are taking the route of a criminal.
A high profile trusted like OG wont be taken down by that. Plus it is not that high of a payment, those transactions are just small.
Do you really think someone with that high trust will let himself be taken down with mere 680 dollars?

Yup...they call that collateral damage...

If OG wanted to pass burden onto phil (who is more trustworthy) then I would be willing to work on a resolution.

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

OK seems I have lost a track a bit. ( so far I was thinking ognasty already told you he sent the refund back but to uknown address )

Lets sum it.
- isoneguy sent BTC to ognasty ( from coinbase ).
- trade failed so isoneguy requested to return BTCs
- but isoneguy did not wanted to be refunded to sending address (coinbase)
- ognasty haven't send any refund yet as he has not received any signed message from sending address (which is impossible if it was coinbase)


My impresion is ognasty just strictly following his rule nr. 2 which I appreciate.


That means the mistake definitely happened on isoneguy side as he used third party walllet provider (without access to private key) not being aware of escow rules (again isoneguys mistake)  
Thus you can't blaim ognasty for strictly following his own  (public known) rules. If you did't read it it's your fault.

But this not mean there is no another way to proof isoneguy is the sender ( coinbase transaction printscreen seems pretty sufficient for this ).

So my opinion is:
@isoneguy - you should apologise to ognasty ( and all others you marked red being his alts ) as this all is mostly your fault (used address you have no private key from)
@ognasty - you should find other way (make exception) how isoneguy can proof those funds ownership without signing a message ( as it's obviously impossible for him)
or
refund the sending address (then it become fully isoneguy's problem how he deals with coinbase, but you will be clear)
... and maybe reconsider your rule nr.2 to be more user friendly ( to me it's valid and relevant rule but as you can see errors happens ) ... just to avoid similar issues in future (or you could ask signed message before receiving funds ... i know this makes things complicated but could safe you/customers lot of troubles)  

neither is it right to hold money hostage.

an escrow has to be a pillar of the community not some shady character. There are too many scam attempts resulting around OGnasty which is suspicious at least...I think it's time for him to retire.

Phil, thank you for stepping in. I appreciate your assistance.

You gave people negative trust based on zero proof.  It is not right to hold innocent people hostage.

I have an idea.

OgNasty can send me the funds.  I will hold them until he can settle a fair deal with the op.

My profile address is there and has been there for years.

It is a blockchain info hot wallet .  1J.....

This way og will  have proven he offloaded the money.

I know isoneguy home address as I shipped to him.

He can simply show me a photo of a newspaper and a bill from his home address.

@ everyone escrow is really hard to do.

I escrow but frankly many do not follow rules I set and I need to explain why rules are needed.

I have a vested interest here as og does more escrow then me but frankly I don't want to take business from him. I rather this gets fixed not broken

my shit getting fixed is waiting on OGnasty...


that shit is so easy to fake

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

I am not going to prove I'm not Og. You're the one accusing me so you should be the one with proof.

FYI I live on the other side of the planet and I'm sure you can find posts in the Local sections in my post history.

he knows who I am...at this point he's just being a dick.

how is me jumping to conclusions any different than everyone else...I'm the one who actually has a reason to be like this.

I've put a note to coinbase regarding the address but I don't really expect anything from them either.

I think the best course of action is OGnasty just refunding me to the address he's already paid out to previously.

The only reason OGnasty couldn't verify my identity would be if he was not the same person.

(above quote was cross-posted from a Collectibles thread)

Look, isoneguy, I feel like OGNasty's hesitation to send back to the coinbase address is the possibility of it being sunk forever. To avoid that you would have to clear it with Coinbase first so that the situation would be resolved through either:

a) Coinbase stating that the sending address was linked to your account.
b) Coinbase directing future funds from the sending address to your account.

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The best course of action right now would be to remain calm and be patient about it instead of freaking out tagging everybody, thinking they're an alt of OG out to get you. You have the linkage between your old address.

well, I requested it to my forum address as I expected it would be a pain to do via coinbase. I figured proving who I was would be enough.



Look...same address.

But, I don't care where it gets refunded to as long as it get's refunded.

OG?

Prove you're not TradeFortress. /s
Asking for proof of not being someone is pretty hard.

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@OgNasty
Is screenshot evidence not sufficient enough to prove that isoneguy owns the coinbase account? If not then under what circumstances would you accept that the account has remained in the hands of the original user? (Other than contacting coinbase directly)

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1) Shouldn't you have known the rules by now?
2) Given that you have had trade history, requesting for a refund to a non-sending address is suspicious.

Nope, I've escrowed with him like 5 times and he's never given me the rules. Hell I even bought one of his bitpics because nobody was bidding on them...I was under the impression that we'd built enough rapport that he'd be able to figure out what was going on instead of robbing me and calling me a liar.

I mean...he's never really done anything special for me even though I've always made our escrow experiences and simple as possible.

Fuck I regret not escrowing through phil

I may have missed it but I don't see where OG made his escrow rules clear so if that didn't happen that's a knock on him.  It isn't in his sig.  I do see why he has those rules though and can't knock him for that.  Did the rules get exchanged beforehand?

OK, obviously BTCs was not returned to sending address but still would rather wait for OGs opinion (maybe he can prove you asked to return BTCs to other addy with signed message) before giving you any advice.

EDIT: Based on your post above it seems you have finaly calmed down. Which is good for you (anger kills) and all of us because now it's much better to communicate with you as I have seen some your reactions in other related threads (and there is bunch of them) and started feeling It's not worth any further discussion with you.
I'm sorry for you loss and can't guarantee you to get your money back. But I would love to help finding the wrong guy here and mark him to prevent further scam attempts.

Oh believe me this is the best output for my anger...all the small animals in the neighborhood will sleep tonight.

And I'm fed up too...I just wanted to help some noob.

How the hell am I supposed to support the community if the escrow can't escrow properly.

What happened that resulted in the escrow failing? Is there any chance the trade will go through.

AFAICT, OgNasty has not yet refunded the transaction back to the coinbase sending address. This is good and means that you have some options. You can allow OgNasty access to your coinbase account so that he can personally view the transaction, and refund the BTC to a coinbase deposit address associated with that same coinbase account -- I am not sure he would be willing to do this. You may be able to contact coinbase support and ask them to sign a specific message instructing OgNasty to refund the BTC in escrow to a specific address -- I am unsure that coinbase support will be able to do this for you, and I am unsure that OgNasty would be willing to accept this. Lastly, you can contact coinbase support to let them know about the anticipated refund to 144iVv9TmbCNtPugsfWCfj9KWwqjfwyR29 and ask them to confirm that they will give you credit for this deposit, hopefully this is not a deposit address for someone else -- I don't know that coinbase would be willing to do this.

Otherwise you can try to negotiate a resolution with OgNasty. OgNasty does have a certain set of rules to protect himself and the integrity of the trades he facilitates. I would expect that any resolution that OgNasty agrees to would involve the expiration of a decent amount of time without anyone claiming ownership of the BTC being held by OgNasty if his rules are not going to be followed.