Topic: OGnasty has been compromised. |ID!0T| - page 7. (Read 10144 times)

Nope...I don't hide behind alts.

And you're resulting to more ad hominem.

This is my main.

Deal with it...

isoneguy has just falsified one of their posts in the [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20341836

If they are so casual about falsifying a post in such a thread, what other information have they posted that is false?

I can't help if wonder if they are an alt of Wendigo?

If you want to get all technical all I asked you OG...was "how many ways do I have to say yes"

I never agreed for you to release my funds in a way that they don't return to me.

Until that money re-enters my wallet your debt has not been paid.

If I have to extract the funds from your life I will.

Yeah, he asked you to -- so regardless what happens it's his responsibility now



I have no idea what coinbase does, but it's actually by far the most efficient way to do it (in terms of bitcoin tx fees); but it's possible just from a pure support point of view it's not worrth the trouble. However, if they never use deposit addresses for sending withdrawals then they'd be actually able to support "return to sender" automatically (assuming there's no batch withdrawals).

Says one bat shit crazy guy to the other.

He's behind altcoins?

Ognasty did 911 too
We know because the "crazy" guy didn't get his refund *yet.  

I guess we find out.

What a shit show! Can Coinbase staff recover the refunded coins though? It's not like they are completely lost right?

also yes, I'm bat shit crazy.

that doesn't change the facts

let's bring up the fact that the only reason he'd care about me being crazy is that I've been targetting alts. which means he's likely a source of all these damn alt/scams we've been having.

ad hominem is a logical fallacy.

I can use it as well if necessary.

 
OG, you sent me this last night.  This shows that you didn't doubt the OP owned his account.  This shows that you thought it was something else as you indicated with "nothing more".  this shows you intentionally agitated your customer because you wanted us to see that he was crazy.  Well if you corner an animal or someone who thinks like one, of course they are going to lash out.  This also shows that you knew this would get dragged out yet you intentionally refunded to an address he didn't control which further insures that it will be dragged out.  We warned you this would happen.  I warned you both in PM and in this thread.  You did it anyway using your rules as an excuse.  Rules you do not make any attempt to educate the customer on, it isn't even linked in your profile or sig.
 
A very important question is did the escrow mishandle customer funds and I am seeing a pattern that lends to this possibility.  That you not only mishandled this guys funds, but that it was intentional on your part and with prejudice.  I think you should step back and re-evaluate your behavior here.  I am open to being wrong too, hell I would like nothing more.  But I will not ignore what I see.

You refunded my money in a way that I didn't receive it though.

You know how karma works? Or if I ever...you know stumble across you in a bar somewhere.

You still owe me .25 BTC any refund that doesn't result in this doesn't change the debt.

There is a ticket in with coinbase. It's not my fault your buddies are too much of a failure to help you. Or maybe they're great and you're a piece of crap and they just realized it.

It's labeled with your name so someone there's got to know whats up.

This is why I asked him to put in a ticket with Coinbase but he didn't seem to want to go that route.  So I reached out to Coinbase, but he didn't want to wait for me to resolve it.  He wanted the funds sent immediately, so my only option was to send back to the address it came from.  He agreed this was what he wanted, so I did it.  

I've had this scenario come up a few times lately, where a scammer will gain control of an account after escrow is initiated and then try to redirect the funds.  As a response to that scenario, I've stuck with only refunding the sending address.  I've had several thankful users recover their funds quickly and easily through Coinbase as a result by putting in a ticket.  I'd be shocked if an operation the size of Coinbase is reusing deposit addresses as sending addresses.  I can assure you they are no stranger to having to process these refunds, as it is fairly standard practice for Bitcoin accepting entities to process refunds in this manner (Expedia refunded my sending address without even asking, can you imagine the horror?).  

Yeah, it'll be sent back to an address that coinbase controls which may or may not be someones deposit address...

I actually run a hot wallet, and have to deal with this all the time.

You have your money.  Tried to scam and got SPANKED 

When I'm having a bad day~~I'll rem you, this thread, the FAILED scam and the cherry of a total melt down~~fukin PRICELESS 

Taken from their help section:

When a Coinbase user sends digital currency from their wallet, the address it comes "from" is one of Coinbase's many hot wallet addresses. Any coins sent back to that address would be sent to Coinbase, not your own wallet.

There was a term "Hot Wallet" some where in help section.  I'm sure you can find it that too.

OGnasty.

If the refund you processed does not involve me receiving my money then you still owe it to me.

I told you to refund the money in a manner that resulted in it returning to my wallet, if you can't do that then you're a failure as an illegal escrow agent of arizona.

Do you know how bounties work? They don't ever really go away...

You didn't agree to let the community decide on the bet you totally refused that as the solution. Once again here you are proving yourself a scumbag.. glad others in the community are beginning to see it

I just don't see the scam here.  Can you spell it out for us?  I'm not defending the OP and I didn't defend them last night.  I was trying to help you, you pompous ass.  I even offered to cover you in case the OP turned out to be a scammer because I really wanted to see you do the right thing at that point.  You chose the most difficult path forward and insisted on refunding an address the OP doesn't control knowing it would cause him pain.  You could have waited another day and been even more sure the OPs account wasn't hacked.  You could have made the OP publicly tell everyone here what address they wanted it sent to here to avoid that pain and it would have been on them, not you.  But you chose the painful path for your customer.  And the customer did give you another address to send to.  You still refuse to take responsibility for being lazy with your service.  How fucking hard is it to link customers to your rules or put it in your sig?  Not fucking hard.  I think you are a complete asshole but I am only judging you based on how you treated the customer and ran your escrow.  You made it clear last night that my trust doesn't matter because you have so much trust.  That is telling us that you feel you can treat customers like shit and be unprofessional with your service because you have enough trust to cover it.  WTF  You think this is a good advertisement of your service?  WTF

I'll be doing my due diligence to see if your customer got their money back and when I unload my collection I will not be using you as an escrow.

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

I'm interested in other opinions about whether the OP faked his proof of the coinbase transaction.  I take this seriously and would never abuse the trust system here.  If you look at the OPs trust, I left him negative trust for abusing the trust system here that I will not be removing.
  
If anyone disagrees with my reasons below I'd like to hear them.
  
1) OG intentionally refunded an address the customer doesn't control.
  
2) OG was made aware both in private messages and in threads here that this could cause distress for the customer but he did it anyway.

3) OG claimed he was following his own rules but at no point did he make the customer aware of his rules and it is not linked when you correspond with him.  He told me in private message that the customer should have googled his name.  He refuses to take responsibility -AT ALL- for his part in this.  The OP claims he has dealt with OG on 5 separate occasions and not once did he make attempts to make the customer aware of his escrow terms.  I told OG that if he could show me that he made his escrow terms clear I would not leave negative trust at which point he indicated that ignorance is not an excuse.  I partly agree with that and I do not believe that excuses what OG did or his negligence in running a professional escrow service.  This is not a free service to the community, he is not doing us a favor.  He gets paid for this.

4) OG claimed he was just protecting his customer but is sending the customers money to an address they do not control protecting them?  The OP made it reasonably clear that he was in control of his account and he has dealt with OG on previous occasions.  I am of the opinion that it is not OG's job to police the forum and assume peoples account is compromised especially without evidence.  All evidence points to the OP being the OP.

5) The OP also said OG could refund the address in his profile on bitcointalk so it isn't like OG had no choice.  OG was in complete control.

From what I can tell.  Both the OP and OG deserve negative trust for different reasons.  I told OG yesterday that I will wait 24 hours and I think that is fair.  He shouldn't be holding peoples money hostage like that, he should be more flexible, do his due diligence and move on.  In this particular case the customer was very irate and I would call him an asshole for it.  But at the same time I can understand his frustration by having his feet held to the fire over rules he was not made aware of and again I am not saying this is all his fault or OG's fault, they are both adults and should act like adults.

To me it looks like OG was trying to make the customer suffer for the way the customer acted out.  I do not agree with that kind of behavior.  It is unprofessional and unproductive and it caused me to spend part of my Saturday night trying to figure out if someone was scamming the other.  I see no evidence of a scam.  If the customer doesn't get his money, I will leave negative trust based on the decisions OG made and the way he runs his escrow and not my assumptions about his intention.