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July 15, 2023, 04:57:00 PM
#97
I hope whoever comes up with these competitions understands that the main problem with doping is not that it is cheating, but that it is dangerous for athletes in terms of survival (as well as going beyond their normal capabilities, by the way). It is unlikely that anyone will be interested in watching a run if, say, a couple of athletes out of a thousand (I take a very modest figure - in fact it can be much more) die right on the treadmill every year. In general, I do not think that in any adequate jurisdiction this will be allowed.

But still, I remember a good anecdote about doping-enabled Olympics:
The commentator comments: ... he runs ... jump! seventeen meters! Good...! Not a bad jump for a chess player  Grin
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July 15, 2023, 04:35:46 PM
#96
To me, one the beauties of Olympic is the fact that doping is considered as a huge abomination to the game which makes athletes of the sports to always be cautious of the kind of food or drink they consume so that they won't test positive.
The brain behind this "Enhanced game" surely want to corrupt many young people in to believing that doping in sports is actually good and sould be done
Doping is against the laws of Olympic competition, but most countries have made it legal, which is completely poisoning the cognitive abilities and performance of the athletes. Some competitors will even take overdoses simply to be better than their opponents. PEDs (Performance Enhancing Drugs) are another slang term used by these athletes to improve their performance, yet I think it's completely inappropriate to recognize an athlete on drugs, especially a drug addict, he or she can go extra mile to satisfied him or herself with drugs,  these drugs have repercussions.

This not your regular olympic mate, it's completely a different type of event called enhanced games but the idea itself came from olympic games which gave birth to this event where using illegal products will be completely legal. I don't know where or when will this happen but I sure do hope that it will not be passed or materialized because this will be a total waste of resources plus it will be more of an experiment instead of games where strong men will complete.
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July 15, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
#95
Are they trying to market this product and make it legal? This is actually too risky since other players might have more idea about the effect of doping and hopefully the committee will strengthen their medical examination team to deny any players who are using this kind of substance. Imagine a league like this, who will win the match? This can also cause a health problem to the players, so I’m not betting on this.

It is surely an unknown waters for them but the organizers are confident enough to materialize this event because they are thrilled that they are going to be the first ones to organize this kind of event even though the risk is too great to bear because we all know that doping and using PEDs doesn't have any long term benefits to a person's body.

Rest assured, medical team should be ready anytime and definitely have the right equipment to give the participants a first aid or whatever they need because I know that this event will be a bloodshed.
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July 15, 2023, 02:38:01 PM
#94
I think who ever wants to go ahead with this should first get the decency to remove the name Olympic from their program, as an athlete your biggest joy is that you can work so hard and try to become the best at what you do ad not just taking the easy road with is doping

Also the program may have attention for the wrong reasons because it's easy for athletes or anyone else to die of doping overdose, so I do think this program to go on it would be a downgrade to the natural sporting competition we have grown to see.
You are right but at the same time someone that is this shameless and can propose something like this and try to make it a reality probably does not have that kind of decency on them to remove the word Olympic from their pseudo-sport, however one of the interesting things this will prove is that since I doubt any serious athlete will participate on this initiative we will get to see the difference in the results between the top athletes and those which choose to use those substances, and as such I do not think a single world record will be broken.
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July 13, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
#93

personally, as a person who likes sports, I am curious about what this new sporting event that allows the usage of performance-enhancement drugs could lead to.


I believe the organizer of this new olympic games is the real doped. I doubt world record will acknowledge a milestone achievement made by someone under the influence of synthetic strength booster. This kind of games is not healthy and promotes sports that will have a side effect on human body. I’m afraid that in worst case scenario, There might be some casualty here since people will do anything just to win even if they will take more drugs just get more strength without considering the risk to the body.

Very intriguing announcement but will they be acknowledge?

I agree with your statement.

Using drugs that temporarily boosts your performance is something that is artificial and synthetic- it does not feel genuine at all. With this, inconsistencies may happen which entirely defeats the purpose of sports-betting. Not to mention, if such were allowed, then teams would instead fund their development of these "drugs" instead of actually practicing their respective skills for the game.

While this may be the case, I am still curious, however, about these so called "enhanced games" and on how drugs can affect the performance of these athletes. I am just worried that ingesting too much of these pills may bring significant health impacts on the long-run.
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July 13, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
#92
This. What people fail to consider is the fact that not only does doping give players an unfair advantage against the competition. It also endangers the player's health in the process especially if it's all about performance enhancing drugs and not the ones that's just gonna bulk you up. In any case this definitely will not receive recognition from any legitimate body of sports just cause the notion was stupid enough. Imagine if people were allowed/encouraged to use cheats in a videogame, doesn't that just drain the fun out of actually watching these players tough it out and prove that they are the best out there?

The same principle could be applied to doping olympics, cause it's basically the same thing only that you do the cheating in real life.
Wouldn't there be a limit to the doping they'd be able to do? At least to the point where it would have no adverse effects. After all without that much of an effort to protect the players, I highly doubt this type of competition would last long. Not that I know of whether there's doping that safe though. If they were all risky at that point they might as well just research on how to build/grow a super human.

And well, on the topic of cheaters, this is a cheaters vs cheaters game which is kind of the highlight. Who's the better cheat kind of thing. Well I do get your point though. It's not just a match thing, results would naturally be compared to normal athletes and well, would just show a big discrepancy.
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July 13, 2023, 04:29:17 PM
#91
Are they trying to market this product and make it legal? This is actually too risky since other players might have more idea about the effect of doping and hopefully the committee will strengthen their medical examination team to deny any players who are using this kind of substance. Imagine a league like this, who will win the match? This can also cause a health problem to the players, so I’m not betting on this.
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July 13, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
#90
I think who ever wants to go ahead with this should first get the decency to remove the name Olympic from their program, as an athlete your biggest joy is that you can work so hard and try to become the best at what you do ad not just taking the easy road with is doping

Also the program may have attention for the wrong reasons because it's easy for athletes or anyone else to die of doping overdose, so I do think this program to go on it would be a downgrade to the natural sporting competition we have grown to see.
The Olympics is a joyous event for all athletes to be able to show their talents by carrying the good name of their country, and this must be done in a sporting and natural way without any doping which makes it unnatural for athletes to show their talents. and doping can pose risks related to health, and doping should be strictly prohibited because it is very risky for the health of athletes. And if the Olympics allows athletes to use doping, it will indirectly kill a lot of athletes in the long run.
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July 13, 2023, 03:56:05 PM
#89
I think who ever wants to go ahead with this should first get the decency to remove the name Olympic from their program, as an athlete your biggest joy is that you can work so hard and try to become the best at what you do ad not just taking the easy road with is doping

Also the program may have attention for the wrong reasons because it's easy for athletes or anyone else to die of doping overdose, so I do think this program to go on it would be a downgrade to the natural sporting competition we have grown to see.
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July 13, 2023, 03:51:42 PM
#88
I don't know if you are a baseball fan but nothing beat the time when Barry bonds, Mcguire and Sammy Sosa were hitting 500 foot shots every night lol.  Honestly it was fun to watch.  The problem is doping is a terrible thing to teach kids that it's "alright" first and foremost.  And the second is that even if this became a thing (which I'm assuming it's a joke) even then doping won't be the same for each person and advantages from one team over another will be present.  There is no way to make that the same level playing field. 
It might be fun but it is definitely not fair for the team they were playing against because even if they do the same thing, it depends on how skilled a person is, for example, let's take soccer players and apply the same situation to them, if Cristiano Ronaldo uses pills to gain more energy and an ability boost, and his opponents also do the same, but we all know that Cristiano is basically way more skilled than them, so he will definitely outrun them all.

So that doesn't sound fair to me, also, the players who take pills to perform better won't have the same level of satisfaction that they could have if they have performed well without taking any pills or ability boosters. It's simply a different feeling when you do something with your own abilities only.

It will all boils down to who got the more skillset and who got the IQ to generate goals in such games where doping is allowed, we all know that almost everybody can enhance their power, speed, and strength but when it comes to IQ and skillset, they can no longer enhance that one because that requires a lot of practice and experience just to acquire it. Teams/players that just participated in the games just because of the fact cannot win anything because they are not ready nor born ready about it.
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July 12, 2023, 03:45:43 PM
#87
So I came across a video on youtube about someone planning on creating a new type of Olympic games called "the Enhanced Games" to rival the Olympic games. In this version of "Olympic games", performance-enhancement drugs that are usually prohibited to be used by the athletes competing in the Olympic Games will be allowed to be used.

the president of "the Enhanced Games" believes that this competition could unlock the athlete's true potential and will obliterate all the world record that has been set in the Olympic games. from what I have read in an article, they are planning on launching this event next year in December.

now, the reason why I post this here is because since a lot of sports bettors here love sports I am curious about what you guys think about it and whether this would be a new sporting event that will be enjoyed by sports betting enthusiasts.

personally, as a person who likes sports, I am curious about what this new sporting event that allows the usage of performance-enhancement drugs could lead to.

the video I stumbled upon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49A-2Zv8dA

some articles about the topic
https://apnews.com/article/australia-olympics-enhanced-games-doping-24462bcf8f1f97125a8234bea5723ff3
https://dotesports.com/general/news/the-enhanced-olympics-where-drugs-are-welcome-sounds-like-its-from-a-dystopian-video-game
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jun/30/the-enhanced-games-a-drugs-olympics-where-cheaters-can-prosper

I'd be more curious in wondering what the life expectancy will be of these athletes if this is allowed to happen. Messing with your body can't be a good thing, if it was then there wouldn't be so many rules against it. Why put yourself at risk for a few records and maybe some money? They will not be allowed in legitimate sports.
This. What people fail to consider is the fact that not only does doping give players an unfair advantage against the competition. It also endangers the player's health in the process especially if it's all about performance enhancing drugs and not the ones that's just gonna bulk you up. In any case this definitely will not receive recognition from any legitimate body of sports just cause the notion was stupid enough. Imagine if people were allowed/encouraged to use cheats in a videogame, doesn't that just drain the fun out of actually watching these players tough it out and prove that they are the best out there?

The same principle could be applied to doping olympics, cause it's basically the same thing only that you do the cheating in real life.
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July 12, 2023, 04:48:42 AM
#86
I don't know if you are a baseball fan but nothing beat the time when Barry bonds, Mcguire and Sammy Sosa were hitting 500 foot shots every night lol.  Honestly it was fun to watch.  The problem is doping is a terrible thing to teach kids that it's "alright" first and foremost.  And the second is that even if this became a thing (which I'm assuming it's a joke) even then doping won't be the same for each person and advantages from one team over another will be present.  There is no way to make that the same level playing field. 
It might be fun but it is definitely not fair for the team they were playing against because even if they do the same thing, it depends on how skilled a person is, for example, let's take soccer players and apply the same situation to them, if Cristiano Ronaldo uses pills to gain more energy and an ability boost, and his opponents also do the same, but we all know that Cristiano is basically way more skilled than them, so he will definitely outrun them all.

So that doesn't sound fair to me, also, the players who take pills to perform better won't have the same level of satisfaction that they could have if they have performed well without taking any pills or ability boosters. It's simply a different feeling when you do something with your own abilities only.
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July 12, 2023, 12:49:32 AM
#85
now, the reason why I post this here is because since a lot of sports bettors here love sports I am curious about what you guys think about it and whether this would be a new sporting event that will be enjoyed by sports betting enthusiasts.

I hope this is just a bad joke.
But, if it is real, my opinion is that the participation of athletes in this type of competition should cause punishment for players who want to participate in other official competitions.
I also hope that this event, if it takes place, will not attract media publicity or sponsorship incentives?

Why am I so angry about this?
Doping is prohibited in sports and should always be so because, in addition to harming health, it is an unethical conduct by the athlete as it provides an unfair competitive advantage in relation to other athletes.
Whoever has more resources (money) will have much more advantage than another person who trains only with his own resources and developed techniques.
This is why doping is forbidden, as instead of getting to watch the best athletes doing their best job a sport that allows this becomes nothing more but a competition about who can take the most drugs, and if we have a problem with doping already as athletes try to cheat their fellow competitors, then the doping problem will multiply many times over if competitions like this were allowed to exist, and this does not take into account the incredibly high risk such athletes will be taking by exposing their bodies to those drugs for long periods of time.
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July 11, 2023, 06:46:49 PM
#84
now, the reason why I post this here is because since a lot of sports bettors here love sports I am curious about what you guys think about it and whether this would be a new sporting event that will be enjoyed by sports betting enthusiasts.

I hope this is just a bad joke.
But, if it is real, my opinion is that the participation of athletes in this type of competition should cause punishment for players who want to participate in other official competitions.
I also hope that this event, if it takes place, will not attract media publicity or sponsorship incentives?

Why am I so angry about this?
Doping is prohibited in sports and should always be so because, in addition to harming health, it is an unethical conduct by the athlete as it provides an unfair competitive advantage in relation to other athletes.
Whoever has more resources (money) will have much more advantage than another person who trains only with his own resources and developed techniques.
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July 11, 2023, 09:44:49 AM
#83
the president of "the Enhanced Games" believes that this competition could unlock the athlete's true potential and will obliterate all the world record that has been set in the Olympic games. from what I have read in an article, they are planning on launching this event next year in December.

now, the reason why I post this here is because since a lot of sports bettors here love sports I am curious about what you guys think about it and whether this would be a new sporting event that will be enjoyed by sports betting enthusiasts.

personally, as a person who likes sports, I am curious about what this new sporting event that allows the usage of performance-enhancement drugs could lead to.
Most of us are not into illegalities but let's admit it, this still sounds interesting isn't it? It's like it was some sort of an exhibition match/games but better than it because there is no strict rules and participants are allowed to use drugs.

Maybe there are surprising acts that will happen if its telecast live like players are going to end up hurting each other, I mean for real and then people around like the referees, judges and the viewers are going to get harmed by them because we know what can drugs do to the mind of the person who are taking it especially if it was takin by a bigger volume. This could likely happen since the aim of each participant here is to win.
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July 10, 2023, 09:25:48 PM
#82
To me, one the beauties of Olympic is the fact that doping is considered as a huge abomination to the game which makes athletes of the sports to always be cautious of the kind of food or drink they consume so that they won't test positive.
The brain behind this "Enhanced game" surely want to corrupt many young people in to believing that doping in sports is actually good and sould be done
Doping is against the laws of Olympic competition, but most countries have made it legal, which is completely poisoning the cognitive abilities and performance of the athletes. Some competitors will even take overdoses simply to be better than their opponents. PEDs (Performance Enhancing Drugs) are another slang term used by these athletes to improve their performance, yet I think it's completely inappropriate to recognize an athlete on drugs, especially a drug addict, he or she can go extra mile to satisfied him or herself with drugs,  these drugs have repercussions.
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July 10, 2023, 04:22:57 PM
#81
Might be exciting to watch but I personally don't like things that are not real, now when a person uses a pill to become more powerful and have enhanced abilities might be able to perform better but it would still not be original because everyone watching would already know that they have used performance-enhancing pills and that is the reason why they are performing well and the audience would never really appreciate the actual efforts they are making.

I also believe that organizations like the Guinness Book of World Records shouldn't count any record made in such games because it will be an injustice to those who have done it without taking any pills but completed the achievements all by themselves and have worked really hard to do it definitely.

I don't know if you are a baseball fan but nothing beat the time when Barry bonds, Mcguire and Sammy Sosa were hitting 500 foot shots every night lol.  Honestly it was fun to watch.  The problem is doping is a terrible thing to teach kids that it's "alright" first and foremost.  And the second is that even if this became a thing (which I'm assuming it's a joke) even then doping won't be the same for each person and advantages from one team over another will be present.  There is no way to make that the same level playing field. 
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July 10, 2023, 04:13:58 PM
#80
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the president of "the Enhanced Games" believes that this competition could unlock the athlete's true potential and will obliterate all the world record that has been set in the Olympic games. from what I have read in an article, they are planning on launching this event next year in December.

This guy must be joking, but I appreciate his idea, because all this hypocrisy around the Olympic sports must end. Let's be honest here.
All Olympic athletes are using doping in one way or another. The athletes from the big and rich nations are using better high quality doping.
That's why USA and China athletes have the most medals on every Olympic games.
Anyway, this news has little to do with the discussions around Gambling, because I don't believe that the bookies would allow betting on these "Enhanced games". I'm sure that the athletes with the bigger "doping budgets" would win all the time.
To me, one the beauties of Olympic is the fact that doping is considered as a huge abomination to the game which makes athletes of the sports to always be cautious of the kind of food or drink they consume so that they won't test positive.
The brain behind this "Enhanced game" surely want to corrupt many young people in to believing that doping in sports is actually good and sould be done
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July 10, 2023, 02:49:38 PM
#79
I did not even bother to watch the video or read the links. I don't think this will work. The tournament will have a hard time getting television airtime and I wonder if there are giant companies that are willing to sponsor this type of event. If ever the tournament goes thru event without much-needed support from the media, it won't be recognized by sports associations and groups including its world record if ever it breaks some. 

The biggest question will be about the participants. It doesn't make sense to join the tournament because they will be banned by their organizations and regular tournaments. A participant will have nothing to do and earn after the tournament then? This is a crazy idea and there will be no top athletes willing to join.
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July 10, 2023, 01:39:16 PM
#78
I don't think that this is funny to allow dope in an Olympics game. I know that some athlete might be on some kind of drugs as their motivator to bring out a good performance, but I guess that sports shouldn't be influenced with drugs. I am not in support on this but I will love to watch how the athletes will perform.

Anything is possible since some countries have legalized marijuana intake. I hope that it wouldn't have side effect on the result of the game and athletes wouldn't get overdose on drugs when it is time for them to partake in the game. The potential in sport will be dead with drugs . One don't need to bet on such games because you will end up losing your funds since the athletes are on drugs.
For countries that legalized the use of Marijuana for Olympics, its exactly cheating. Most athletes are drug addicts who hide and use drugs for the purpose to further enhance their athletic abilities, receive awards, and accumulate plaudits. Taking hard drugs for Olympic sports is highly illegal in the vast majority of countries, and if an athlete is caught using these substances, he or she will be automatically disqualified from participation, as this is a violation of the laws that govern the game. Athletes are remarkable in their fields; they go above and beyond to impress the audience and countries.

Well countries who decides poorly for their citizens allowing legalization of bad stuff are morally bankrupt. They normally reason that its medical marijuana but we know its not just that. There are several state already trying this that's why from time to time we see some kids driving in the fast lane with red eye. Cocaine started as medical treatment just as they say medical marijuana.

Allowing enhance performance drugs in sports, means its these redbulls that run the athlete, its these enhance drugs that made them win. How is that for a reputation of the sport athlete?
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