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Quote from: WatChe on December 08, 2024, 06:22:06 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on December 07, 2024, 07:42:08 AM

POGO isn’t actually illegal because they have licenses to operate and they pay taxes. The problem is that some of their operations are mixed with illegal activities, such as scamming people using crypto. The reported crimes associated with them have triggered investigations, making it appear like a large syndicate is running the show. This has left the government with no choice but to ban everything.

As for other casinos, I guess that’s a topic for another discussion.

POGO (Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators) operate largely in mainland China where gambling is illegal. The illicit activities these casinos increasingly been found are telephone scams to human trafficking. It's a brave move by Philippine govt to ban these casinos since they bring in a revenue, around 2.5 Billion USD annually. Governments all around the world must keep an eye on casinos operating under there license that they are not involved in any illicit activities.

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They are not operated in Mainland China rather Chinese businessman and criminal is the one operating here in the PH since China has a strict law for casino especially the penalty when caught while Philippines is one of the country that has a very lousy law when it comes to casino violations that Chinese criminals can take all day long compared when caught in Chinese.

Also Politicians here are corrupt that makes this illegal operation easy to hide by just paying a bribe to politicians.

Philippines government can do better instead of banning POGO because there’s a lot of legit job created by these casino.

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Quote from: WatChe on December 08, 2024, 06:22:06 AM

POGO (Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators) operate largely in mainland China where gambling is illegal. The illicit activities these casinos increasingly been found are telephone scams to human trafficking. It's a brave move by Philippine govt to ban these casinos since they bring in a revenue, around 2.5 Billion USD annually. Governments all around the world must keep an eye on casinos operating under there license that they are not involved in any illicit activities.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgm1k01kdyo

That’s a lot of money to give up, but the government was left with no choice because POGO had become a hub for illegal online activities. Allowing it to continue would only harm the Philippines' image in the international community.

I guess POGO will now just be a part of history. But who knows? If the Dutertes return to power, the POGO operations banned by the executive order of the President might start up again. Hopefully, though, without any hidden illegal agendas this time.

By the way, I made a comparison on the government revenue from POGO compare to the PCSO (its state lottery),

so $2.5 billion x 58 = $145 billion annually, compared to..

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PCSO achieved a remarkable total gross revenue of 61.45 billion pesos, surpassing
its target of 53.23 billion pesos by an impressive 15%. This success is a testament to
the agency’s continuous efforts to strengthen the sales of its gaming products.

https://www.pcso.gov.ph/pcsofiles/transparency/02/Annual%20Report%202023.pdf

So POGO is generating more money for the government than the PCSO, still the government had given it up.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 07, 2024, 07:42:08 AM

POGO isn’t actually illegal because they have licenses to operate and they pay taxes. The problem is that some of their operations are mixed with illegal activities, such as scamming people using crypto. The reported crimes associated with them have triggered investigations, making it appear like a large syndicate is running the show. This has left the government with no choice but to ban everything.

As for other casinos, I guess that’s a topic for another discussion.

POGO (Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators) operate largely in mainland China where gambling is illegal. The illicit activities these casinos increasingly been found are telephone scams to human trafficking. It's a brave move by Philippine govt to ban these casinos since they bring in a revenue, around 2.5 Billion USD annually. Governments all around the world must keep an eye on casinos operating under there license that they are not involved in any illicit activities.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgm1k01kdyo

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 07, 2024, 10:47:08 PM

It is surprising because nowadays there are many cases that are only handled by the government when the case has gone viral. That showing to public that the government and officials including the police are not serious to eradicate illegal activities that happen in their country. But that is because some of those officials and policies are behind on that illegal business so they will not do that easily if the thing is not viral. Even if that case become viral, they will not catch the big person who have power to control the operations but will sacrifice small people who pretend as the big boss that operating the business.

It is worrying that government is only pays attention to illegal activities when they become famous on social media and become popular. This always shows that government does not care about stopping these illegal activities. This is really bad and it is likely that some government officials and leaders are involved in and these kind of activities or benefit from these illegal businesses which is why they do not take strong action. And when these cases become famous it is mostly some small people who get blamed and punished while powerful people who are really in charge they do not blame. These kind of things and unfair enforcement of law can lose trust in government.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 07, 2024, 07:48:12 AM

Why are Philippine officials doing China a favour and shutting these down?
Most probably they got bribed. Because losing such a large part of the economy in a country with poverty like the Philippines is certainly not in their interest.

I wish the people of the Philippines would rise up against their authoritarian status quo that never listens to their needs. Of course gambling and outsourcing is not the best kind of industry, but the Philippines and its people have huge potential. If only the country's politicians weren't so corrupt...

That's a big "IF" but we are witnessing from different leaders who already lead the country and even the new one we've got right now, those people who sorround the President are more into making money, they just love to work behind the table and secure the interest that they've got that's the reason why it's easy to bribes those who are in position.

Just show them the money and they can protect your business, feed them and they will act like a dog liking everything for you, sad true but it's a kudos for the government shutting it down for the best interest of the people that sorrounds the locations.

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Quote from: _act_ on December 05, 2024, 01:07:28 PM

Maybe it is political or not, this is what I found out:
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I think this political. They are offering Chinese people most jobs and this may be the reason behind everything that the Philippine president got harsh on the gambling sites. This kind of thing has started some many months ago.

Aside from the fact that it's political, there has been lots of incidents where our fellow countrymen have been tortured while working on these POGOs hence, the announcement of our President to ban these POGOs.

The fact that many Filipinos are being tortured while working and the adverse effects of gambling in general towards the gambler might be the reason why our government decided to ban them. Most of these POGOs aren't even registered and some of them are even doing illegal activities, so the government isn't even benefitting from them as well. Despite the ban that has been imposed, there are some POGOs that are operating though, but the authorities are constantly doing their thing. Most of the Chinese workers who are working on these POGOs are illegal immigrants as well, and IIRC, some of them have been deported back to China already.

Overall, the ban of POGO might affect every worker since they will not have a job anymore, but the effect of it towards other workers especially those who've received tortures isn't enough to cover it.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 07, 2024, 12:07:54 AM

Sigh,

I thought the gambling hub closed down because they're in loss, but it's actually due to suspected guilty.

Honestly it's not surprising to see that, many people who work in casinos are mostly illegal immigrants, even worse the casino is illegal in the first place, but they're protected by the police and the government.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 06, 2024, 09:24:12 PM

So that will not easy to shut down the illegal business because the officials must check everything and find if there is a corrupt officials behind on that business.

They will close the business only when the news are blow up to social medias and viral. But, most of the cases they only close in that place, but they open the new one on other place lol.

It is surprising because nowadays there are many cases that are only handled by the government when the case has gone viral. That showing to public that the government and officials including the police are not serious to eradicate illegal activities that happen in their country. But that is because some of those officials and policies are behind on that illegal business so they will not do that easily if the thing is not viral. Even if that case become viral, they will not catch the big person who have power to control the operations but will sacrifice small people who pretend as the big boss that operating the business.

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Quote from: _act_ on December 05, 2024, 01:07:28 PM

Maybe it is political or not, this is what I found out:

Quote from: https://www.dailynews.com/2024/07/22/philippine-president-shuts-down-chinese-run-online-gambling-industry/amp/

MANILA, Philippines — President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. on Monday ordered an immediate ban on widespread and mostly Chinese-run online gaming operations in the Philippines, accusing them of venturing into crimes, including financial scams, human trafficking, torture, kidnappings and murders.

Quote from: https://www.manilatimes.net/2024/12/06/regions/island-cove-pogo-hub-stops-operations/2016720/amp

Executive Order No. 74, signed by Marcos, prohibits POGO activities, internet gaming and other offshore gaming operations in the country. POGOs are given until Dec. 15, 2024, to end their operations in the country. A guard on duty said the establishment used to employ thousands of foreign workers, mostly Chinese.

I think this political. They are offering Chinese people most jobs and this may be the reason behind everything that the Philippine president got harsh on the gambling sites. This kind of thing has started some many months ago.

There are decisions by certain governments that I cannot understand. In this case, the government could have imposed a fine if the gambling managers were involved in crimes and could also open criminal cases against the managers of the gambling company. Also, if the government does not like to see more foreigners working in the company, then it could advise the owners of the gambling company to change their stance and hire more Filipino employees. They would not need to ban the company. I think that these types of measures seem more like a form of repression and the government wanting to control all citizens.

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Quote from: Strongkored on December 05, 2024, 06:52:03 PM

If the reason for the closure is because of illegal activities, then it shows how weak law enforcement is there, it should not be closed but with the existing evidence, arrest the people involved in the illegal actions so that people who are not involved can still work and not lose their income as well as the country does not lose a source of income that can be used for development, and because this is related to gambling, many people will associate it with bad things.

There is a lot of logic in your words because when gambling platforms are closed due to illegal drugs and misdeeds, the government's law enforcement forces are very weak. Due to their weakness, they could not stop the illegal misdeeds of the platform through their laws and regulations. Here, everyone directly involved in the platform should be brought under the law and severely punished. If the criminals are brought under the law and severely punished, there will be no more opportunities for misdeeds on that gambling platform in the future. Instead of directly closing the gambling platform, those involved should be arrested and severely punished. Having a gambling platform is not a crime, but committing misdeeds or illegal acts on a gambling platform is a crime.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on December 07, 2024, 10:20:38 AM

That huge multiple building with same motif are the buildings of POGO. There’s a lot of them here in the Philippines.

It’s sad that Marcos government make this business go away despite contributing a lot of profit for the Philippines just for the public acceptance for the upcoming election. Philippines is so dumb to waste taxes from this businesses instead of just tightening the regulations to avoid issues like before.

There’s a lot of workers that lost their job just because dumb Filipinos generalized POGO as bad due to isolated cases.

This is exactly what I think if I consider countries that ban crypto businesses. While other countries are maximizing the benefits that the industry offers to collect high tax revenue and provide employment opportunities, others are blindly pushing these businesses away. The current government should have enacted some regulatory laws to checkmate the excesses of these gambling business instead of banning them and forcing foreign workers to leave the country. So many local businesses that are connected to POGO will also collapse.

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Quote from: Adbitco on December 05, 2024, 12:22:04 PM

Quote from: Maslate on December 05, 2024, 11:55:36 AM

you can see more pictures of the close gambling hub.
Just look on their facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/PhilippineSTAR

Sincerely i am barely to locate any picture of gambling hub, do I say is from my eyes or I am not seeing very clearly?? Well, this is by the way, though I didn't click the read more details as I am afraid to click on random links.

That huge multiple building with same motif are the buildings of POGO. There’s a lot of them here in the Philippines.

It’s sad that Marcos government make this business go away despite contributing a lot of profit for the Philippines just for the public acceptance for the upcoming election. Philippines is so dumb to waste taxes from this businesses instead of just tightening the regulations to avoid issues like before.

There’s a lot of workers that lost their job just because dumb Filipinos generalized POGO as bad due to isolated cases.

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There are hundreds of youths in my country who are involved in online gambling and they are also doing various business with regular gambling money. Since gambling is an independent program there is no restriction and it is natural for anyone who has money to bet on gambling. Hundreds of people lost their jobs and were better off going back to the streets than gambling. Since not everyone loses here, those who are constantly winning will lead the life. If a country has more economic crisis and higher unemployment rate then online gambling activities are more conducted in that country.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 07, 2024, 12:07:54 AM

Sigh,

I thought the gambling hub closed down because they're in loss, but it's actually due to suspected guilty.

Honestly it's not surprising to see that, many people who work in casinos are mostly illegal immigrants, even worse the casino is illegal in the first place, but they're protected by the police and the government.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 06, 2024, 09:24:12 PM

So that will not easy to shut down the illegal business because the officials must check everything and find if there is a corrupt officials behind on that business.

They will close the business only when the news are blow up to social medias and viral. But, most of the cases they only close in that place, but they open the new one on other place lol.

The government may take this as a reason to now focuses more on the gambling casinos for more checks on illegalities, but the truth is that there are many sectors that are doing worst than we could have in the gambling section, we should not let them make it as if in gambling only lies this kind of illegal acts, people are corrupt at every organizational level or settings they are found.

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Why are Philippine officials doing China a favour and shutting these down?
Most probably they got bribed. Because losing such a large part of the economy in a country with poverty like the Philippines is certainly not in their interest.

I wish the people of the Philippines would rise up against their authoritarian status quo that never listens to their needs. Of course gambling and outsourcing is not the best kind of industry, but the Philippines and its people have huge potential. If only the country's politicians weren't so corrupt...

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Quote from: ultrloa on December 07, 2024, 07:00:56 AM

Well I can say its still selective directive since actually online gambling still rampant in that country. There's some rumors spreading that they target those hubs just to attack the past administration and blame them for the crimes committed by people operating those POGO hubs.

But anyways it seems monopoly of online gambling scene still running and there's other huge personalities still involves with those current online casinos still running in Philippines.

Also even though there's certain negative doubts about the intention we can say that somehow its good to eliminate those illegal entities that operating on said country.

POGO isn’t actually illegal because they have licenses to operate and they pay taxes. The problem is that some of their operations are mixed with illegal activities, such as scamming people using crypto. The reported crimes associated with them have triggered investigations, making it appear like a large syndicate is running the show. This has left the government with no choice but to ban everything.

As for other casinos, I guess that’s a topic for another discussion.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 07, 2024, 02:38:00 AM

As far as I know, not all pogos in the Philippines have closed, because I saw a video where one of the government officials there said that the only pogos the government closed were the competitors of the high-ranking government officials there and left open the Pogo's they owned.

So it's probably one of the competitors that was closed by high-ranking government officials so that they could have their own pogo in that country. So I don't really believe that all pogos in the Philippines have disappeared.

This isn't a selective directive, it goes for all..

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2024/09/19/doj-41-pogos-to-voluntarily-close/

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THE Department of Justice (DOJ) announced on Thursday that 41 licensed Philippine Offshore Gaming Operations (Pogo) have expressed their intention to yield to the directive of President Marcos and completely cease operations.

“Task Force Pogo Closure” has been activated in line with President Marcos’s ban on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators (Pogo) by the end of the year, the DOJ said in a statement.

Maybe those POGO you think are still operating are already operating illegally, or they are not anymore under the POGO now.
This is the directive of the president, no complying this will result to serious violation of the law, in fact plenty of workers had already return to china.

Well I can say its still selective directive since actually online gambling still rampant in that country. There's some rumors spreading that they target those hubs just to attack the past administration and blame them for the crimes committed by people operating those POGO hubs.

But anyways it seems monopoly of online gambling scene still running and there's other huge personalities still involves with those current online casinos still running in Philippines.

Also even though there's certain negative doubts about the intention we can say that somehow its good to eliminate those illegal entities that operating on said country.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 07, 2024, 02:38:00 AM

As far as I know, not all pogos in the Philippines have closed, because I saw a video where one of the government officials there said that the only pogos the government closed were the competitors of the high-ranking government officials there and left open the Pogo's they owned.

So it's probably one of the competitors that was closed by high-ranking government officials so that they could have their own pogo in that country. So I don't really believe that all pogos in the Philippines have disappeared.

This isn't a selective directive, it goes for all..

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2024/09/19/doj-41-pogos-to-voluntarily-close/

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THE Department of Justice (DOJ) announced on Thursday that 41 licensed Philippine Offshore Gaming Operations (Pogo) have expressed their intention to yield to the directive of President Marcos and completely cease operations.

“Task Force Pogo Closure” has been activated in line with President Marcos’s ban on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators (Pogo) by the end of the year, the DOJ said in a statement.

Maybe those POGO you think are still operating are already operating illegally, or they are not anymore under the POGO now.
This is the directive of the president, no complying this will result to serious violation of the law, in fact plenty of workers had already return to china.

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As far as I know, not all pogos in the Philippines have closed, because I saw a video where one of the government officials there said that the only pogos the government closed were the competitors of the high-ranking government officials there and left open the Pogo's they owned.

So it's probably one of the competitors that was closed by high-ranking government officials so that they could have their own pogo in that country. So I don't really believe that all pogos in the Philippines have disappeared.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 07, 2024, 12:07:54 AM

Sigh,

I thought the gambling hub closed down because they're in loss, but it's actually due to suspected guilty.

Honestly it's not surprising to see that, many people who work in casinos are mostly illegal immigrants, even worse the casino is illegal in the first place, but they're protected by the police and the government.

Well thats the common ground for such illegal alien. What kind of work usually become a possible job offer to those, and casino are not that strict especially when they are doing something not right.

I doubt they will close due to shortage or bankruptcy since they earned huge money from doing these gaming offshore hub.

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Quote from: Cantsay on December 05, 2024, 12:38:57 PM

Quote from: danherbias07 on December 05, 2024, 12:32:32 PM

POGO's first arrival here in the Philippines was already scolded by the last president Roa Duterte.
Now, it's time to clean it up so that this administration can feel better for themselves. This is politics, expect something like this will happen especially with money involved.

If they were really guilty of the last paragraph of the article then it’s a nice move by the government to close down the business - no matter what they represent on the outside as long as they are really doing things like human trafficking and illegal drugs behind the scenes then it’s always god for government agencies to go after such companies.

But if that last part was just included just so the government would have a more appealing comments on what to talk about or their reasons for closing it down then that would be considered a shitting tactic but if they are really involved in trafficking humans the kudos to the government.

We can barely know the whole truth as lots of details are always concealed and the public are fed with less than raw information. Everything is possible and having drug deals in a gambling hub is very possible and I've seen such scenarios myself, but that of human trafficking is what I didn't really understand how it would operate in such an open place, but still on anything is possible. Maybe all these started a whole lot of time ago and the government concealed it because of the huge benefit they return to them.

The government might have made an exorbitant demand which they couldn't meet up with and closed it down for failure to meet with the demands painting the media with these activities as an excuse. In politics, nothing is ever exactly how it seems.

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