Topic: [OPEN] Confirmed*PAID* USA NO VAT KnC Neptune#3 - .25 BTC = 17 Shares = ~60 Gh/s - page 41. (Read 131502 times)

I also think it's time all share holders contact KNC and let them know that there is a extreme probability this is a  scam and  if they send the order to the original address alot of people will have there miners/ funds robbed.

I think if enough people take the time to contact them before they ship and point there attention here in this thread they will have all the proof needed and reason to change the address of the order to whoever the group decides is best. My first vote goes to John K or another trusted member willing to step up.
 
Maybe we should ask that they hold the order until there is some clarification from the OP.  Prodigits is trying but I don't get the feeling he's getting anywhere with dealing with the OP, which tell me that this is a scam and we need to act if anything is going to be done.

The whole point of this group buy was transparency initially.  OP stated we all could come and check out the facility and ask all the questions in person we wanted.  Now looking back it's extremly hard to believe this is anything but a scam and I don't want to see people get taken for a ride due to someone being selfish, greedy or depressed.  I'm not that far from Conn and I'm getting to the point where I want make a house call and I can only have a share imagine how others must feel.

Getting ahold of KNC seems like a great idea. Everyone's BTC could be recouped easily if these were resold on the secondary market. I'd be happy to handle this for more than just my GB if someone trustworthy was needed. Can we get KNC to respond here? Seems like there is enough orders at stake here to warrant an official response.

I just wrote a long email to KnC, asking them to verify this story. Really interested in their answer.

- They can't refund to another paypal account "because Paypal is still in the possession of the funds"? What? That payment has been made, they got the payment already. That's how this whole preorder thing works. They couldn't have made ANY product if they wouldn't have the money already.

- They can't refund the BitPay payments, because of .... what exactly?? You say "those can't be refunded back in BTC according to KnCMiner policy". Yes, of course they can't be refunded IN BITCOIN, because BitPay is a service that takes bitcoin in one end and gives out dollars on the other! They never got a bitcoin payment! And they are not supposed to refund IN BITCOIN, they are supposed to refund IN DOLLARS! Just not to the paypal account that you say is locked. Where the hell would be the problem with that, huh?

Unless somebody else in this group buy steps up to the plate, I think your option is the best one here. You have the name recognition and the required trust levels to refund everybody, and your mining operation would grow. This is a win-win situation.

I was with the second Saturn Group Buy. If it shipped to me, I'd be willing to refund everyone else in the group buy.

I would be more than willing to help yall out with hosting if you can change the address, but from having read all this I think you would still be better off pursuing an expedient refund.

These guys are great but this is wishful thinking IMO.
This dildo has allowed this entire thing to crumble around him do you think he is going to change the address even if he can? If the refunds are not an option we are all going to lose BTC.

My Vote goes for tyrion70 and Blastbob.

Tyrion70 has already offered his service to assist with this GB https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3044913

They have been very professional with every aspect of the KnC group buy(s) they run.
They are very prompt to post updates when new information is available and have already taken necessary steps to secure the locations, power supplies, etc.. ready to mine day 1.

We need to make a decision on this quick and submit the new address information to KnC.
I have a feeling once its out the door, we can kiss our BTC goodbye.

Can we vote to trust someone to host the miner for us?

The total requested amount for refund is 132.6BTC which is around 4.4 Saturn. How can we split the 0.4.

Priority should be changing the shipping address before its too late.

OK. You are right, I was think just give him some sweet stuff so that we can get our money back sooner.

I am afraid that he get the miners and just disappears.

But... that makes no sense.  We paid to have a share of the miners... we didn't rent them.  He should pay us until they break, if he mines.

Why should he get free miners?

This^^^^

I think refund must be made before the miners' delivery, after the delivery, it does make sense that he mine with our investment and refund us with the BTC he mined. However, If he does so, it will take him 30-60 days to mine the amount of each share.

Option 1:
I would propose if he cannot get us refunded before the units deliver, given the 2 THs of those miners in total, we can go IPO and sell the shares to whoever want to buy.

Option 2:
He pay us the refund with the miners with a 30% mining equipment rental fee per share until he pays off the refund. After that, the miners are his. It's good for all of us, we get our money back with 30% gain and he get the miners for free.

If there is any validity or hope of refund these units to need to be refunded with KNC like today. Once the units ship, I think the chance of us getting a refund is basically gone. And I don't trust ragin to tie his shoe if he tells us so, let alone run a group buy.

This 'too depressed to spend a minute to post anything' concept is fucking bullshit. Give me break. You know what would make me depressed? I gave a bunch of money to someone and he fucked off with it. That'd be depressing. Ragin is either incompetent or this was a scam from the get-go. I wonder if bilking us out over 50k will magically help Ragin's depression somehow.

I appreciate the work prodigits is doing, and hope it works out, he's the best bet going right now. But even besides that it is imperative that we get ragin's info released, as per terms of the agreement, so all of us have some sort of leverage, and the units cancelled from KNC, because again, if the units don't get cancelled, we aren't getting our money back, ragin will have all of our machines, and no desire to pay us back or ability to pay us back.

1) That really sucks about the refund not coming back in BTC. I only gave 1.1BTC total but I feel for others who gave a lot more.
2) If the machines are close to being shipped, should we just suck it up and take them if we can change the shipping address to someone who's reliable and willing to give their info to JohnK?

soon he has his miners ... 

And That is exactly why you shouldn't count on him for anything at this point. I rather that he doesn't comment at all, since all his comments have been a delay tactic. The matter is in our hands now.

JohnK/Prodigits, is step one doable? Can you confirm if KnC is willing to change the shipping address?

I'm starting to think this is all bullshit.  Raginazn was on the forums yesterday, so his depression is obviously not crippling enough to prevent him from updating us.

On a side note: Prodigits, was that you at the train station yesterday?  I heard someone talking on the phone, and he sounded EXACTLY like you.

1) KnC should be able to at least change the shipping address, given the scenario. (if no chance of refund)
    
2) Pick someone creditable to take over, fast.

3) Whoever is chosen needs to start getting the setup ready to start mining day 1.


Does anyone know if Regin himself bought any shares? I didn't see his name in the list. Maybe we can use that to refund Jupiter GB #2 folks.