So, I talked to prodigits (on his neoasics Skype), and he seems like a pretty cool guy. It still could obviously be a sock-puppet, but I doubt a sockpuppet would take the time to voice-chat and text-chat with me on Skype.
He basically wanted people to "calm down". He also invited me to a conference call with KNC Miner (that'll be happening soon, we're still working out a time) and John K.
Prodigits is the person that's building the Avalon ASIC's, apparently, so that's how he knows ragingazn.
I still haven't talked to raginazn, so I'm not sure what's up with him, but prodigits seems to want to help out.
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August 19, 2013, 09:22:38 AM
August 19, 2013, 06:18:32 AM
This has pirateat40-style stalling written all over it...
August 19, 2013, 04:50:43 AM
3) He said he will be refunding all people from the second Jupiter group buy because it never reach completion.
He can't refund any of the other orders as of yet because all the money is sitting in KnCMiner's account and NOT HIS, so it's out of his control. Now unless KnCMiner agrees to refund ragingazn628 first, then all your shares are currently tied up by KnCminer at the moment and out of ragingazn628.
FYI I got a refund from ragingazn628
Details : I had sent $500 via PP
I had sent a PM and an email to the PP address a few days back, got the refund today without any message.
Details : I had sent $500 via PP
I had sent a PM and an email to the PP address a few days back, got the refund today without any message.
That doesn't add up. Gyu was in Jupiter miner group #1 yet he got a refund even thought the money is in "kncminer's account and NOT HIS".
This whole situation makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
August 19, 2013, 03:42:10 AM
3) He said he will be refunding all people from the second Jupiter group buy because it never reach completion.
He can't refund any of the other orders as of yet because all the money is sitting in KnCMiner's account and NOT HIS, so it's out of his control. Now unless KnCMiner agrees to refund ragingazn628 first, then all your shares are currently tied up by KnCminer at the moment and out of ragingazn628.
FYI I got a refund from ragingazn628
Details : I had sent $500 via PP
I had sent a PM and an email to the PP address a few days back, got the refund today without any message.
Details : I had sent $500 via PP
I had sent a PM and an email to the PP address a few days back, got the refund today without any message.
That doesn't add up. Gyu was in Jupiter miner group #1 yet he got a refund even thought the money is in "kncminer's account and NOT HIS".
August 19, 2013, 03:33:43 AM
FYI I got a refund from ragingazn628
Details : I had sent $500 via PP
I had sent a PM and an email to the PP address a few days back, got the refund today without any message.
http://i.imgur.com/xcHlw7f.png
So that's it for me, I'm out of this sinking boat. I hope you guys can get your money back too and find better opportunities.
Danieldaniel I guess you can update the spreadsheet, and kudos for working on it.
Details : I had sent $500 via PP
I had sent a PM and an email to the PP address a few days back, got the refund today without any message.
http://i.imgur.com/xcHlw7f.png
So that's it for me, I'm out of this sinking boat. I hope you guys can get your money back too and find better opportunities.
Danieldaniel I guess you can update the spreadsheet, and kudos for working on it.
August 19, 2013, 03:28:09 AM
Whoever is on the East Coast, I would invite anybody to come meet me in Boston this week. I will also be in New York City this weekend and would be more than happy to discuss this with anybody in this group buy. I welcome you all.
What dates will you be in Boston and where exactly?
August 19, 2013, 03:17:19 AM
sent to him on 10 Jul 2013 - so well within 45 days
but i receive the error : We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly.
but i receive the error : We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly.
call your CC company
August 19, 2013, 01:33:40 AM
sent to him on 10 Jul 2013 - so well within 45 days
but i receive the error : We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly.
but i receive the error : We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly.
August 18, 2013, 11:38:11 PM
Gift dont matter.
You can still get your money back.
PayPal will almost always side with the person sending the money.
You can still get your money back.
PayPal will almost always side with the person sending the money.
hmm i'll have to contact paypal directly certainly their automated resolution system doesn't allow kicking it off unless its a item purchased via ebay etc as far as I can see
How long ago was the transaction ?
August 18, 2013, 10:56:44 PM
Gift dont matter.
You can still get your money back.
PayPal will almost always side with the person sending the money.
You can still get your money back.
PayPal will almost always side with the person sending the money.
hmm i'll have to contact paypal directly certainly their automated resolution system doesn't allow kicking it off unless its a item purchased via ebay etc as far as I can see
August 18, 2013, 10:53:09 PM
Gift dont matter.
You can still get your money back.
PayPal will almost always side with the person sending the money.
You can still get your money back.
PayPal will almost always side with the person sending the money.
August 18, 2013, 09:30:41 PM
And there we go... I KNEW when i paid this it was risky putting "send as gift" as raginagn requested. I KNEW when i paid, it sent of alarm bells. I was worried because I had no chance of claiming back the money if things went pair shaped...I now of course get this error in Paypal resolution center:
"We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly."
"We're sorry, but this transaction cannot be disputed because it is not a purchase of goods or services. Please contact the recipient directly."
August 18, 2013, 09:25:39 PM
The other thing that is complicating matters is that anybody who is filing a dispute via PayPal is actually hurting any chances of this getting resolved in a timely matter. PayPal can't do shit because the money is with KnCMiner's PP right now, not ragingazn628 PP account.So by filing a dispute you are actually delaying things even more and making things even harder for everybody involved working to get a resolution in the matter.
Thats not true at all...
The money was sent to Ragingazn628 account NOT KnCminer. If the money DID end up with KnC then great, but to paypal they don't care they will simply strip the money from the receivers account. Thats like saying that if a nigerian scam took your money via paypal but then invested it into another company's goods paypal can't get it back.
August 18, 2013, 09:04:22 PM
bullshit
August 18, 2013, 08:18:54 PM
OK, i don't know where this is going, but I rather prefer being on the list than forcing myself into false hopes and Stockholm Syndrome.
I have 4 shares (2BTC) in the 6th Saturn.
Sending-/Potential-Refund-Address: 1MbBeMm2rMjtMu7SubEceUqxCEjYzC79j8
txid: 0f72b9f435b4a9a38b038f43d345e8128daede804ffb249204c8b7962af688cc
Kudos to danieldaniel. I think he's in for a few tips when he comes through!!!
I have 4 shares (2BTC) in the 6th Saturn.
Sending-/Potential-Refund-Address: 1MbBeMm2rMjtMu7SubEceUqxCEjYzC79j8
txid: 0f72b9f435b4a9a38b038f43d345e8128daede804ffb249204c8b7962af688cc
Kudos to danieldaniel. I think he's in for a few tips when he comes through!!!
August 18, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
Hey guys,
I met with ragingazn628 yesterday and voiced everybody's serious concerns on all the KnCMiner group buy's behalf. So here's some of the key information I pulled out from the meeting:
1) I made him log onto his KnCminer account in front of me to prove that all the orders had been made, which he did. So now I can verify that all orders have been submitted, paid for and completed, all with the exception of the second Jupiter group buy which never materialized.
2) I have asked him to take a screenshot of that same order page that I saw and post it on here for you all.
3) He said he will be refunding all people from the second Jupiter group buy because it never reach completion.
He can't refund any of the other orders as of yet because all the money is sitting in KnCMiner's account and NOT HIS, so it's out of his control. Now unless KnCMiner agrees to refund ragingazn628 first, then all your shares are currently tied up by KnCminer at the moment and out of ragingazn628.
I have already been in contact with JohnK about this situation, as well as the group buy, and we're trying to get a conference call going with KnCMiner to discuss all our options.
The other thing that is complicating matters is that anybody who is filing a dispute via PayPal is actually hurting any chances of this getting resolved in a timely matter. PayPal can't do shit because the money is with KnCMiner's PP right now, not ragingazn628 PP account.So by filing a dispute you are actually delaying things even more and making things even harder for everybody involved working to get a resolution in the matter.
FYI, I'm also a shareholder in the first Saturn group buy so we're all in the same boat.
I met with ragingazn628 yesterday and voiced everybody's serious concerns on all the KnCMiner group buy's behalf. So here's some of the key information I pulled out from the meeting:
1) I made him log onto his KnCminer account in front of me to prove that all the orders had been made, which he did. So now I can verify that all orders have been submitted, paid for and completed, all with the exception of the second Jupiter group buy which never materialized.
2) I have asked him to take a screenshot of that same order page that I saw and post it on here for you all.
3) He said he will be refunding all people from the second Jupiter group buy because it never reach completion.
He can't refund any of the other orders as of yet because all the money is sitting in KnCMiner's account and NOT HIS, so it's out of his control. Now unless KnCMiner agrees to refund ragingazn628 first, then all your shares are currently tied up by KnCminer at the moment and out of ragingazn628.
I have already been in contact with JohnK about this situation, as well as the group buy, and we're trying to get a conference call going with KnCMiner to discuss all our options.
The other thing that is complicating matters is that anybody who is filing a dispute via PayPal is actually hurting any chances of this getting resolved in a timely matter. PayPal can't do shit because the money is with KnCMiner's PP right now, not ragingazn628 PP account.So by filing a dispute you are actually delaying things even more and making things even harder for everybody involved working to get a resolution in the matter.
FYI, I'm also a shareholder in the first Saturn group buy so we're all in the same boat.
I don't believe a word of it.
Edit: You just wanna buy time...
August 18, 2013, 07:34:30 PM
Whoever is on the East Coast, I would invite anybody to come meet me in Boston this week. I will also be in New York City this weekend and would be more than happy to discuss this with anybody in this group buy. I welcome you all.
Do you have skype? If so, could you PM me your skype name please?
I just PMed you norulezapply
August 18, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
I can provide a phone number for everybody to join in on the next conference call with KnCMiner.
If you would, please. Not sure if this is via skype or something else though
August 18, 2013, 07:31:47 PM
Whoever is on the East Coast, I would invite anybody to come meet me in Boston this week. I will also be in New York City this weekend and would be more than happy to discuss this with anybody in this group buy. I welcome you all.
Do you have skype? If so, could you PM me your skype name please?
I just PMed you norulezapply
August 18, 2013, 07:25:06 PM
I can provide a phone number for everybody to join in on the next conference call with KnCMiner.
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