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Topic: Optiona is allways good. 16nm ASIC, 100w/THS 0.1J/GH on wall. MAX: 31THS/miner!! - page 6. (Read 19575 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1030

Probably a typo.
Because 4 PCIE plugs will already have some trouble for 1000w, but drawing 600w on each of them is impossible.
Even if it's a typo, I hope they will at least use 6 PCIE plugs for 1000w

 It would be nice if they would resolve their new inconsistancy - 100W/TH is 0.1 J/GH not 0.25

 On the other hand, just makes me more inclined to think "SCAM" when they can't even be consistant on basic specs.

 250 watts per PCI-E 6-pin connector is within the connector specs - the SP20E runs up to 288 watts/connector quite reliably. It's the morons at KnC that were trying to push over 300 watts/connector EXCEEDING the connector specs that had meltdown issues.


legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1076
A humble Siberian miner
Is there some sort of new technology for the board, its looks to be transparent and glowing blue ?

It's obvious that it's just a nice picture. Just like in case of B-eleven miner.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Is there some sort of new technology for the board, its looks to be transparent and glowing blue ?  A transparent board would be pretty awesome if there's some material out there that could be used.  Honestly looks like the pics are completely fake. Is this thing even real ?
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
Yep they did in NEVER_LANd Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 1859
Curmudgeonly hardware guy
So they edit the thread title and contents to be self-contradictory? That doesn't make sense.

Also, of course Bitfury was filling their shelves with 28nm. I get no page from that link you posted, but they announced 0.2J/GH 28nm in February and just recently stated they had tested engineering samples of 16nm. Does anyone expect they went from tested engineering samples to complete miners in mass production in zero time?
hero member
Activity: 578
Merit: 508
From another thread this popped up: http://agenda.ge/news/48424/eng

It appears from this news that later in '15, Bitfury was still populating it's data centers with 28nm hashing chips.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500


Even the title of the thread have been updated, so maybe not a typo.
from
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16nm ASIC, 10THS/MINER,100w/THS on wall.
to
Quote
16nm ASIC, 10THS/MINER,100w/THS 0.25J/GH on wall.

If those new numbers are real, there was no need to go to 16nm, and the price will be barely better than actual S7 pricing


yeah those numbers dont add up
legendary
Activity: 1096
Merit: 1021

If those new numbers are real, there was no need to go to 16nm, and the price will be barely better than actual S7 pricing

The price is worse if that's the case since you don't get it until April?
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.



What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7??  Huh Shocked Sad


100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good.  Smiley

Rich

Please, look at the first post, they add 0.25J/GH, not me...  Undecided

Ok sorry thought you had added that. But if they can't even get that right it just goes to show that they don't know what they are talking about...  Huh

Rich

Even the title of the thread have been updated, so maybe not a typo.
from
Quote
16nm ASIC, 10THS/MINER,100w/THS on wall.
to
Quote
16nm ASIC, 10THS/MINER,100w/THS 0.25J/GH on wall.

If those new numbers are real, there was no need to go to 16nm, and the price will be barely better than actual S7 pricing
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.



What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7??  Huh Shocked Sad


100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good.  Smiley

Rich

Please, look at the first post, they add 0.25J/GH, not me...  Undecided

Ok sorry thought you had added that. But if they can't even get that right it just goes to show that they don't know what they are talking about...  Huh

Rich
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.



What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7??  Huh Shocked Sad


100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good.  Smiley

Rich

Please, look at the first post, they add 0.25J/GH, not me...  Undecided
Probably a typo.
Because 4 PCIE plugs will already have some trouble for 1000w, but drawing 600w on each of them is impossible.
Even if it's a typo, I hope they will at least use 6 PCIE plugs for 1000w
hero member
Activity: 572
Merit: 506
We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.



What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7??  Huh Shocked Sad


100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good.  Smiley

Rich

Please, look at the first post, they add 0.25J/GH, not me...  Undecided
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.



What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7??  Huh Shocked Sad


100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good.  Smiley

Rich
hero member
Activity: 572
Merit: 506
We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.



What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7??  Huh Shocked Sad
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
I am willing to do a long write up on this site. with fair and honest photos and results.


My conditions are simple send the demo when it is ready.

 I won't even keep it I would return it or ship it to a customer.

I would just do a fair 7-14 day review.

I will offer even better conditions. I'll pay for this unit, but sure only after getting it in hands and testing for a while. I like to explore something new. And to prove to the community that something is real.  Roll Eyes


Ditto...I've enough cred on bitcointalk I'll do the same...you send me a unit...I'll review it...pay for the unit (unit choice up to you) and then post all over bitcointalk 'eating crow' on
me ever doubting your good intentions Smiley

Also would post pics of inside/outside and video of setup etc..I'd be your biggest cheerleader Smiley

too bad this don't work...then it would mean there was still hope for me being Natalie Portman's 'Love Puppet' alas Sad but then again the odds are the same imho for getting a yes miner unit to review Sad

legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1001
This looks promising. Definitely more future proof with halving coming
legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1076
A humble Siberian miner
I am willing to do a long write up on this site. with fair and honest photos and results.


My conditions are simple send the demo when it is ready.

 I won't even keep it I would return it or ship it to a customer.

I would just do a fair 7-14 day review.

I will offer even better conditions. I'll pay for this unit, but sure only after getting it in hands and testing for a while. I like to explore something new. And to prove to the community that something is real.  Roll Eyes
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.



yeah ..they just run slower if not in immersion see this link...supposedly you may get some of these chips 'someday' er so they say Smiley

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitfury-to-mass-produce-new-nm-chip-and-sell-to-public-1452010171

note link above you get more with oil cooling then w/o ...but they still seem to work ..just not as good Smiley

but again will probably get these chips in a home device LONG LONG after it makes any sense to do so..with continued expected 'mad' difficulty rises due

to massive data halls etc



The boards designed for immersion won't be usable for air cooling unless they wasted a lot of space on them (very unlikely when you know the cost of a large scale immersion cooling setup).
The power dissipation needed to cool such a dense amount of chips is really hard to reach with air cooling unless you underclock (not profitable considering the cost of the chips).

Boards made for air cooling, on the other hand, can be used in immersion, the power density won't be optimal, and you'll have a harder time to recoup the initial investment, that's all.

If they wanted to demo the chips, they could simply use a smaller acrylic tank with one or two blades like the ones we use for prototyping.
I'm not sure they want (need?) to advertise.


yeah I'm just going by the above link in the article where they imply you would lose 44gh per chip if you used it in an air cool manner....again their implication...not mine Smiley

quote

According to the company’s announcement, for miners using a traditional air cooling setup, the ASIC will be able to reach hashing power of 140 GH/s. However, by using liquid immersion cooling, the chip can reach hashrates of up to 184 GH/s.



from again this link:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitfury-to-mass-produce-new-nm-chip-and-sell-to-public-1452010171

So again ..you could be right...but they leave the reader with the impression that

1) they are wonderful fellows 'decentralizing' and such for 'home miners' and you could ROI (with difficulty pump this could be iffy imho)

2) that home miner makers or themselves can make such miners in an air cooled manner and it would all be 'hunky dory' Smiley

Anyway likely by the time they hit the market ...these same chips in their data halls and others they have sold to in bulk will make this whole 'home miner' idea moot

again imho

anyway where I was coming from on the info....but with KNC making another 20 kw setup and bitfury making a 50 kw setting and bitmain doing something the same
and of course spondoolies also I think a 20 kw setup....difficulty for btc will get damn interesting in that they ALL seem to be gonna hit around the same month or so

fun times Smiley





hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.



yeah ..they just run slower if not in immersion see this link...supposedly you may get some of these chips 'someday' er so they say Smiley

http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/52211

note link above you get more with oil cooling then w/o ...but they still seem to work ..just not as good Smiley

but again will probably get these chips in a home device LONG LONG after it makes any sense to do so..with continued expected 'mad' difficulty rises due

to massive data halls etc



The boards designed for immersion won't be usable for air cooling unless they wasted a lot of space on them (very unlikely when you know the cost of a large scale immersion cooling setup).
The power dissipation needed to cool such a dense amount of chips is really hard to reach with air cooling unless you underclock (not profitable considering the cost of the chips).

Boards made for air cooling, on the other hand, can be used in immersion, the power density won't be optimal, and you'll have a harder time to recoup the initial investment, that's all.

If they wanted to demo the chips, they could simply use a smaller acrylic tank with one or two blades like the ones we use for prototyping.
I'm not sure they want (need?) to advertise.
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.



yeah ..they just run slower if not in immersion see this link...supposedly you may get some of these chips 'someday' er so they say Smiley

http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/52211

note link above you get more with oil cooling then w/o ...but they still seem to work ..just not as good Smiley

but again will probably get these chips in a home device LONG LONG after it makes any sense to do so..with continued expected 'mad' difficulty rises due

to massive data halls etc

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