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Topic: overwhelming consensus excludes Lauda, remains in DT2, went in2 buz w sold act - page 12. (Read 11909 times)

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It's even more dishonest to make accusations without backing it up and then pretend that it is proven
It's even more dishonest to post with several accounts to make it look like more people agree with you.
There is no reason to deny things that is taken out of thin air
Voila. There is no reason to count the users that I've tagged as valid exclusions, but here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

One might call that a witch hunt
legendary
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Terminated.
It's even more dishonest to make accusations without backing it up and then pretend that it is proven
It's even more dishonest to post with several accounts to make it look like more people agree with you.
There is no reason to deny things that is taken out of thin air
Voila. There is no reason to count the users that I've tagged as valid exclusions, but here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hero member
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This does not rely upon any confidential sources, so I can share what I have provided confidentiality is promised.
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I'd love to see the evidence and certainly would provide confidentiality. Keep in mind, I seek truth. Smiley
Is it safe to assume I will not be seeing any evidence of the Lauda alts?
Isn't it obvious and expected that he does not? As usual, he made the whole thing up.

On that topic, I am fairly confident that lauda has used sockpuppets in this very thread to back his arguments. I believe one of these to be The Pharmacist, however lauda has not responded to this accusation yet, so I do not want to make the evidence I have of this public.
He claims he has evidence. I do not see evidence after you've explicitly denied this.
Lauda likes to imply that he has denied things that he very clearly did not deny. This is extremely dishonest, and likely plays a part as to why nearly 100 people have specifically excluded lauda from their trust lists.

It's even more dishonest to make accusations without backing it up and then pretend that it is proven
It's even more dishonest to post with several accounts to make it look like more people agree with you.
There is no reason to deny things that is taken out of thin air
legendary
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Meh.
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This does not rely upon any confidential sources, so I can share what I have provided confidentiality is promised.
--snip--
I'd love to see the evidence and certainly would provide confidentiality. Keep in mind, I seek truth. Smiley
Is it safe to assume I will not be seeing any evidence of the Lauda alts?
Isn't it obvious and expected that he does not? As usual, he made the whole thing up.

On that topic, I am fairly confident that lauda has used sockpuppets in this very thread to back his arguments. I believe one of these to be The Pharmacist, however lauda has not responded to this accusation yet, so I do not want to make the evidence I have of this public.
He claims he has evidence. I do not see evidence after you've explicitly denied this.
Lauda likes to imply that he has denied things that he very clearly did not deny. This is extremely dishonest, and likely plays a part as to why nearly 100 people have specifically excluded lauda from their trust lists.

Nice trust!

copper member
Activity: 2926
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--snip--
This does not rely upon any confidential sources, so I can share what I have provided confidentiality is promised.
--snip--
I'd love to see the evidence and certainly would provide confidentiality. Keep in mind, I seek truth. Smiley
Is it safe to assume I will not be seeing any evidence of the Lauda alts?
Isn't it obvious and expected that he does not? As usual, he made the whole thing up.

On that topic, I am fairly confident that lauda has used sockpuppets in this very thread to back his arguments. I believe one of these to be The Pharmacist, however lauda has not responded to this accusation yet, so I do not want to make the evidence I have of this public.
He claims he has evidence. I do not see evidence after you've explicitly denied this.
Lauda likes to imply that he has denied things that he very clearly did not deny. This is extremely dishonest, and likely plays a part as to why nearly 100 people have specifically excluded lauda from their trust lists.
sr. member
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This is the right decision. I have nothing against laud. But I am sure that any member of the forum has no right to claim the right of a judge. I agree that all accounts listed in the list have signs of collusion. We have witnessed a coup attempt at the forum.
legendary
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Hilariousandco probably won't be removed from DT by theymos while he's a moderator on this forum (and he does a fairly good job). So you can pretty much forget about that one unless you were hoping that everyone else who put him on DT removed him?
These people are on DT1, and so (to my knowledge) the only person that could remove them is theymos.
Luckily I very much doubt that will happen.
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Activity: 2856
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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Hilariousandco probably won't be removed from DT by theymos while he's a moderator on this forum (and he does a fairly good job). So you can pretty much forget about that one unless you were hoping that everyone else who put him on DT removed him?
legendary
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Terminated.
--snip--
This does not rely upon any confidential sources, so I can share what I have provided confidentiality is promised.
--snip--
I'd love to see the evidence and certainly would provide confidentiality. Keep in mind, I seek truth. Smiley
Is it safe to assume I will not be seeing any evidence of the Lauda alts?
Isn't it obvious and expected that he does not? As usual, he made the whole thing up.

On that topic, I am fairly confident that lauda has used sockpuppets in this very thread to back his arguments. I believe one of these to be The Pharmacist, however lauda has not responded to this accusation yet, so I do not want to make the evidence I have of this public.
He claims he has evidence. I do not see evidence after you've explicitly denied this.
legendary
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Goonies never say die.
--snip--
This does not rely upon any confidential sources, so I can share what I have provided confidentiality is promised.
--snip--
I'd love to see the evidence and certainly would provide confidentiality. Keep in mind, I seek truth. Smiley

Is it safe to assume I will not be seeing any evidence of the Lauda alts?
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working.  
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Oh my....  You have some kind of inability to let anything go, QS?  And  you seem to want to take the discussion to one additional level of extreme absurdity, even further than the absurdity already achieved?
This is exactly what I was asking for in the OP....

Perhaps you failed to read the OP before posting.

In other words, you want to either make this a question about 1) whether I read the OP adequately?

or alternatively,

2) you want to keep the thread alive by changing it's title?  

I recall reading several recent posts in this 23 page thread referring to how the subject of the thread is either no longer an issue or that the thread should be closed.  So, isn't that fair that you should figure out what you are going to do in the event that you choose not to close this thread?

Edit:  I did reread your initial propositions  that either blazed and hilariousandco should be removed from DT 1 or that they should remove lauda from their Trust lists, and you are subsequently suggesting that saltyspitoon is removed from DT1.  Those seem to be quite out there propositions for a trust system that seems to allow for decentralized discretionary judgements regarding who is on each of their DT lists.  Accordingly, it seems logical and appropriate that any member can choose who to put on their own DT list, even if others do not agree with that judgement and their determinations or reason(s) for their trust list choices(s).
legendary
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blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Use the "~" to satisfy your itch and lock the thread. It looks like it backfired due to your desire to brag about orchestrating this scheme. Better luck next time.
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Activity: 2926
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I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working.  
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Oh my....  You have some kind of inability to let anything go, QS?  And  you seem to want to take the discussion to one additional level of extreme absurdity, even further than the absurdity already achieved?
This is exactly what I was asking for in the OP....

Perhaps you failed to read the OP before posting.
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 10832
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working. 
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Oh my....  You have some kind of inability to let anything go, QS?  And  you seem to want to take the discussion to one additional level of extreme absurdity, even further than the absurdity already achieved?
copper member
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I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working. 
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...
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I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working. 
legendary
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I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:


I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.
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Activity: 2856
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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:


I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

Unfortunately the forum administration has adopted a 100% hands off policy on the trust system. This has made the trust system become a complete joke. You can contact the person who put TBZ on his trust list, however I would not hold by breath this would result in any action -- SaltySpitton recently disavowed lauda's actions while simultaneously adding lauda to his trust list under the guise of following the 'will of the community' which was quickly debunked.   

"Quicksy didn't like [Salty's opinion]" isn't the same as "[Salty's opinion] was quickly debunked", despite both containing "quick".
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I've just added Lauda to my trust network. Lets see how this do.

I have a very different opinion of how the trust system works than Lauda. Lauda has annoyed the hell out of me on a number of occasions about trust related settings, to the point where I've considered adding them as the first and only person to my PM ignore list. I find them overly nosy and a bit abrasive.

That said, I do think they fill a valuable role on DT. My biggest problem with Lauda's trust ratings are their inclusion of merit related issues resulting in negative feedback, however, at least Lauda always leaves a good description of why they have received their negative feedback, people can ignore those if they are inclined the same way as me. In addition, I have every belief that once the merit system and whats acceptable about its use calms down, Lauda will abide by the community's decision on whats acceptable to leave negative feedback for.

I don't think its worth losing the most active feedback giver over that.


I need to learn more about how trust works. Wouldn't have wasted those 2 merits on that post if I knew the inclusion had already corrected the situation. i.e. Bringing Lauda back to DT-2.

The issue got resolved on page 9 then but its continuing till 23. I have no idea what drama happened in between. We should have some way of placing milestones of discussion on these >20 page threads.

For what its worth, I think Lauda comes across as the typical no nonsense disciplinarian. They did a lot of the dirty work when the forum was drowning in spam. Its easy to accuse her of high-handedness and take the side of the "poor, begging" users. Her one-liners reprimanding the "Lauda Sir, Please I am trying to feed my family"  results in a lot of bad blood against her and long discussions on "compassion/ empathy".

The discord against her and other active reviewers can easily be channeled to make an alts army using these dissed users.

Maybe there could be a policy of reviewing accounts negged by her or other members like pharmacist. Its not possible for one person to review them all. Other members could chip in to review them. I amwilling to volunteer if considered trustworthy. I am sure a lot of others too would. This would serve to invalidate those accusations of "reviewers not engaging with those they neg" and being high-handed.

if you are against TC & OG's actions then exclude them from your own trust list just add ~ before there names and poof! they are gone..
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