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Quote from: Smuft on April 24, 2017, 03:13:56 AM

What do you guys think of the stock B3+ PSU?

good enough? or buy something else?

Not really sure how important the PSU is in rigs like these.

Wondering on the thoughts on their PSU as well.

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Quote from: deadsix on April 23, 2017, 07:17:35 AM

I've killed 5 RX 470's over the past 8 months and all of them were running VERY conservative clocks/volts, were adequately cooled, and were never dual mined with. Some cards just die, life of a miner.

Did you manage to exchange them under the warranty?

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What do you guys think of the stock B3+ PSU?

good enough? or buy something else?

Not really sure how important the PSU is in rigs like these.

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Quote from: vapourminer on April 23, 2017, 07:12:14 AM

Quote from: Smuft on April 23, 2017, 06:45:53 AM

You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this?

Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit.

running a gpu flat out shouldnt hurt it. ive mined btc back in the day and did folding at home for tears, so i pushed cards pretty hard. that being said i dual mine my cards. and i think most peoples problems when dual mining are card settings (like flashing new straps, OCing too much, overvolting them), cooling or power related.

full disclosure.. i killed a msi 470 gaming x last week and it was dual mining at the time. cant say that directly killed it as my 4 other cards dual mine fine. and those cards are much older than the msi 470.

I've killed 5 RX 470's over the past 8 months and all of them were running VERY conservative clocks/volts, were adequately cooled, and were never dual mined with. Some cards just die, life of a miner.

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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?

Quote from: Smuft on April 23, 2017, 06:45:53 AM

You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this?

Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit.

running a gpu flat out shouldnt hurt it. ive mined btc back in the day and did folding at home for years, so i pushed cards pretty hard. that being said i dual mine my cards. and i think most peoples problems when dual mining are card settings (like flashing new straps, OCing too much, overvolting them), cooling or power related.

full disclosure.. i killed a msi 470 gaming x last week and it was dual mining at the time. cant say that directly killed it as my 4 other cards dual mine fine. and those cards are much older than the msi 470.

the b3 panda gpus.. those look like standard short (itx sized) computer 470 pcie cards. just with custom heatsinks.

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Quote from: citronick on April 21, 2017, 10:37:15 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 21, 2017, 05:49:04 PM

Quote from: Facinat on April 21, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves?

For us yes for them no Grin

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@Truthchanter I agree with them

Dual mining with a panda is too risky

Running ETH full speed with the MX is also not advisable since these chips were designed for notebooks etc.
At best 28Mhs per card without dual mining seems stable.
ZEC and XMR at full speed looks OK.

Are you sure the B3+ is using MX cards? They look a lot bigger than other MX cards and 2-3x as big as Panda B1 model's cards.

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You guys who think we shouldn't be dual mining (and some of you dont even want to run on full speed) do you have any information or data to backup the dangers of doing this?

Seems you'd need quite concrete info to forgo dual mining DCR or something else when it's adding ~20-25% more profit.

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Quote from: BattleField on April 22, 2017, 01:48:56 AM

Quote from: Truthchanter on April 21, 2017, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: marcos5872 on April 20, 2017, 09:39:55 PM

Quote from: dagarair on April 19, 2017, 07:29:52 AM

Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound

Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR

I heard at least one or two people say they don't wanna dual mine on the pandas because it may shorten the lifespan of the gpus

As long as you do not overclock or even undervolt, the power consumption will not be higher.

I disagree but maybe there are some settings that would work okay.

my model 1 could dual mine and not over heat but I had stock bios. My cards did 28mh I could do some dcr and drop to 26.5 mh with 600h for the dcr.

I used claymore which allowed for -ethi and -dcri

I would do 5 and 40 but i mostly ran zec . as it used less power.

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Quote from: Truthchanter on April 21, 2017, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: marcos5872 on April 20, 2017, 09:39:55 PM

Quote from: dagarair on April 19, 2017, 07:29:52 AM

Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound

Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR

I heard at least one or two people say they don't wanna dual mine on the pandas because it may shorten the lifespan of the gpus

As long as you do not overclock or even undervolt, the power consumption will not be higher.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on April 21, 2017, 05:49:04 PM

Quote from: Facinat on April 21, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves?

For us yes for them no Grin

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@Truthchanter I agree with them

Dual mining with a panda is too risky

Running ETH full speed with the MX is also not advisable since these chips were designed for notebooks etc.
At best 28Mhs per card without dual mining seems stable.
ZEC and XMR at full speed looks OK.

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: Facinat on April 21, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves?

For us yes for them no Grin

###########
################
#####################

@Truthchanter I agree with them

Dual mining with a panda is too risky

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Quote from: marcos5872 on April 20, 2017, 09:39:55 PM

Quote from: dagarair on April 19, 2017, 07:29:52 AM

Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound

Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR

I heard at least one or two people say they don't wanna dual mine on the pandas because it may shorten the lifespan of the gpus

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Quote from: Eyedol-X on April 21, 2017, 02:59:41 AM

Quote from: Facinat on April 21, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves?

it would cost less to ship, thats for sure but they would have to greatly increase the cost of their boards to make reasonable profit on them. So you'd see something like $500+ with CPU/heatsink included to be profitable and make it worthwhile.

I'd probably pay $400-500 for a custom board like that but not many would.

Maybe we as a community put together something to show interest?

You would think they would make more profit by just selling the boards only. You could probably mass produce them and they are lightweight and easy to ship. We might just be giving them a million dollar idea. Grin

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Quote from: Facinat on April 21, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves?

it would cost less to ship, thats for sure but they would have to greatly increase the cost of their boards to make reasonable profit on them. So you'd see something like $500+ with CPU/heatsink included to be profitable and make it worthwhile.

I'd probably pay $400-500 for a custom board like that but not many would.

Maybe we as a community put together something to show interest?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on April 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Would it be better for panda to sell just the system without the GPU and we add ourselves?

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Thanks for taking the time to post all of this. Quick question, aside from a PSU what else do you need that is not included to operate these rigs?

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Quote from: dagarair on April 19, 2017, 07:29:52 AM

Nowhere near that sound. This is 70db and like a deep sound

Which Speed do you get on dual mining? like DCR

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

if you pull the board you could add these 1070's

they are 1 slot!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11271/galax-and-kfa2-list-geforce-gtx-1070-katana-a-singleslot-geforce-gtx-1070

if they do 440h each that would be 3500h

or alternate them with 1080ti

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330809-REG/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti.html/?

so 8 cards

1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti + 1070 + 1080ti

440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440h + 700h + 440 h + 700h = 4560h for zec at 1400 watts

Smuft

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Looking for an estimates ZEC sols/s?

Would like to know what my output on other coins is like incase ETH mining becomes unprofitable for some reason

So I guess estimated XMR returns as well

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