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Quote from: naim027 on March 28, 2021, 08:32:10 AM

The reason for adding Faucet to online casinos was not like that. Faucet was invented for the purpose of allowing users to check out games without a deposit.

There are several sites I have visited that allow withdrawals from Faucet. But on the other hand, there are many sites that allow, but according to their rules.

E.g., DuckDice. They allow users to withdraw from Faucet, and sometimes deny it. Users who make regular deposits, high rank level, they allow them to withdraw up to 5 bitcoins. On the other hand, those are new to the site. Just playing with Faucet, their withdrawal denies. Casino Royal Also has same system. Imagine for a second, you were added Faucet so that customers could test your site, but they withdrew a huge amount. What will you do then?

I have seen many sites like this, who initially came up with the site with Faucet, but later they were forced to shut down Faucet. Such as Bitsler, Jacksclub,
I think casinos have the right to allow, or reject, withdraw from Faucet.

But they are making excuses.
Are you abusing the faucet from the beginning without excuses?
I can't trust them because I make such excuses.
They were suspected of being bots and fraud.
Why didn't you call it faucet abuse from the beginning?
I think that's the reason for running away.
Besides, it seems that you have had trouble with withdrawals in the past, and you will not be able to trust it.

Stalker22

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Quote from: TimeTeller on March 27, 2021, 05:06:17 PM

If they can't give his full winnings, they need to settle it amicably as this person will not stop bothering them about this case.
They need to move on with this mistake. And learn from it.

I'm wondering if they would pay any significant winnings at all. What if somebody made a tiny deposit and won the jackpot?
When I did a little research, I see that this is not their first case of such suspicious behavior towards players.

Paradice.im SCAM accusation

Although in the title of that topic is the domain 'paradice.im', user Cratoon continued to accuse the player of faucet abuse similar to this case, which confirms that it is their casino.

Quote from: naim027 on March 28, 2021, 08:32:10 AM

I think casinos have the right to allow, or reject, withdraw from Faucet.

Of course they do, but then it should be clearly defined in ther ToS.

Then again, how do you explain this kind of promotion?

Quote from: Cratoon on December 02, 2019, 10:14:37 AM

naim027

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The reason for adding Faucet to online casinos was not like that. Faucet was invented for the purpose of allowing users to check out games without a deposit.

There are several sites I have visited that allow withdrawals from Faucet. But on the other hand, there are many sites that allow, but according to their rules.

E.g., DuckDice. They allow users to withdraw from Faucet, and sometimes deny it. Users who make regular deposits, high rank level, they allow them to withdraw up to 5 bitcoins. On the other hand, those are new to the site. Just playing with Faucet, their withdrawal denies. Casino Royal Also has same system. Imagine for a second, you were added Faucet so that customers could test your site, but they withdrew a huge amount. What will you do then?

I have seen many sites like this, who initially came up with the site with Faucet, but later they were forced to shut down Faucet. Such as Bitsler, Jacksclub,
I think casinos have the right to allow, or reject, withdraw from Faucet.

TimeTeller

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Quote from: janggernaut on March 26, 2021, 11:27:28 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on March 26, 2021, 09:39:12 PM

Quote from: Cratoon on March 26, 2021, 03:43:35 PM

There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

What kind of faucet abuse he did? Did he use multiple accounts? It seems that you are inconsistence with your own reason to deny his $7,000 withdrawal. At the beginning, you accused him of using bot/strategy but you accuse him by your own assumption only. Now at the end, you accuse him of faucet abuse but you did not mention how he abuse the faucet.

He said before, because this guy (pipipi) didn't even risked any amount of money. That's why he said that user has abused the faucet (which is not from my opinion). They were even tried to give $50/$100 to this user as compensation (lol its just less than 1% from his winning amount).

IMO, just pay him or contact with him by privately to solve this problem, it has been few weeks i've seen this problem.

This guy who won $7k just by using their faucet was really lucky.
I believe the site couldn't accept how this person got that amount of money from them by using freebies.
Again, this is the important reason why there is ToS in every company or site, as it will be the reference when something goes awry.
If they can't give his full winnings, they need to settle it amicably as this person will not stop bothering them about this case.
They need to move on with this mistake. And learn from it.

janggernaut

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Quote from: Bitinity on March 26, 2021, 09:39:12 PM

Quote from: Cratoon on March 26, 2021, 03:43:35 PM

There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

What kind of faucet abuse he did? Did he use multiple accounts? It seems that you are inconsistence with your own reason to deny his $7,000 withdrawal. At the beginning, you accused him of using bot/strategy but you accuse him by your own assumption only. Now at the end, you accuse him of faucet abuse but you did not mention how he abuse the faucet.

He said before, because this guy (pipipi) didn't even risked any amount of money. That's why he said that user has abused the faucet (which is not from my opinion). They were even tried to give $50/$100 to this user as compensation (lol its just less than 1% from his winning amount).

IMO, just pay him or contact with him by privately to solve this problem, it has been few weeks i've seen this problem.

Bitinity

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Quote from: Cratoon on March 26, 2021, 03:43:35 PM

There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

What kind of faucet abuse he did? Did he use multiple accounts? It seems that you are inconsistence with your own reason to deny his $7,000 withdrawal. At the beginning, you accused him of using bot/strategy but you accuse him by your own assumption only. Now at the end, you accuse him of faucet abuse but you did not mention how he abuse the faucet.

pippipipipi

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Quote from: pippipipipi on March 26, 2021, 04:43:33 PM

Quote from: Cratoon on March 26, 2021, 03:44:00 PM

Oh! Let's take a break for a sec and take a look at the Cambridge Dictionary! According to the Book, Fraud means the crime of getting money by deceiving people. And Scam is an illegal way of making money, usually by tricking people.

Did we made even a single penny by deceiving this player? Sure we didn't.

It's good question: who is the victim here?

Once again. There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

If I had deposited at least one penny, would I have pulled it out?
To deceive is to lie and make you think it is true.
And you tricked me into hiding your $ 7,000 balance in your wallet, right?

Good answer: I am.

once again.
It does not correspond to the unauthorized use of the faucet you say.

You are deceiving and earning $ 7,000.

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There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

pippipipipi

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Quote from: Stalker22 on March 23, 2021, 11:19:56 AM

I will never trust a casino with my money if they deny payments based on arbitrarily made-up rules.

I don't even recommend it because I won't even reply if it becomes inconvenient.
I think I'm thinking of running away without replying anyway.
This is speculation.
They denied it, but the one named Paradise wouldn't be trusted.

Stalker22

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Quote from: semobo on March 23, 2021, 10:50:13 AM

Quote from: numanoid on March 23, 2021, 10:10:32 AM

Quote from: FatFork on March 21, 2021, 10:04:41 AM

Quote from: numanoid on March 20, 2021, 08:36:51 PM

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Yea, that's why i said they are trying to excuse about this problem. If their ToS said we are not eligible withdraw or winning amount from faucet can't be withdrawn , this won,'f caused this problem

Exactly, if they don't want to avoid people who want to bet with the faucet rewards or winning with them and keep winning is prohibited then they should not allowed such person to bet or should the limits are mentioned in their site but none of them available still they call it as abuse which is nit acceptable though.

Not only that, but they explicitly state in their ANN post that it is possible to win money with bonus rewards.

Quote from: Stalker22 on March 20, 2021, 06:44:09 PM

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:

I will never trust a casino with my money if they deny payments based on arbitrarily made-up rules.

semobo

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Quote from: numanoid on March 23, 2021, 10:10:32 AM

Quote from: FatFork on March 21, 2021, 10:04:41 AM

Quote from: numanoid on March 20, 2021, 08:36:51 PM

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Yea, that's why i said they are trying to excuse about this problem. If their ToS said we are not eligible withdraw or winning amount from faucet can't be withdrawn , this won,'f caused this problem

Exactly, if they don't want to avoid people who want to bet with the faucet rewards or winning with them and keep winning is prohibited then they should not allowed such person to bet or should the limits are mentioned in their site but none of them available still they call it as abuse which is nit acceptable though.

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Quote from: FatFork on March 21, 2021, 10:04:41 AM

Quote from: numanoid on March 20, 2021, 08:36:51 PM

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Yea, that's why i said they are trying to excuse about this problem. If their ToS said we are not eligible withdraw or winning amount from faucet can't be withdrawn , this won,'f caused this problem

semobo

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Quote from: FatFork on March 21, 2021, 10:04:41 AM

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

In most of the casinos, they will try to file some kind of allegations against them and will hold their winnings, very few casinos are allowing people to take whatever they are winning so casinos that are involved in shady activities should be taken care of DT community but in this case it seems not much of them interested.

pippipipipi

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Quote from: FatFork on March 21, 2021, 10:04:41 AM

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 04:29:44 PM

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Faucet abuse is mentioned, but the definition of abuse is unclear.

In our understanding, Faucet Abuse is defined by a systematic use of bonuses to get a large advantage over the gambling house. This person have admitted in previous posts in our main thread that he uses other website faucets, hes friends do too, and judging from the faucet and bet logs he had a system. He used the full amount of faucets, pumped the VIP rank by making tens of millions of low risk bets, tried to split hes withdrawal in several smaller withdrawals to bypass our abuse detection system.

It seems like that.
I don't think it's organizational because this is my first time.
We are not sharing information or sharing accounts with multiple people.
Perhaps even a small deposit is suspected of fraud and cannot be withdrawn?
Also, there is no guarantee of terms of use, so there is no guarantee that you can withdraw money, right? lol

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Quote from: numanoid on March 20, 2021, 08:36:51 PM

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 20, 2021, 07:31:14 PM

Open a flag straight away. I will support it, lets weed out these kind of cheap scammers from our system.

No use. But he made a scam accusation thread about paradice https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solvedparadicein-fraud-accusation-5325305 you can write what you want on there

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

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Quote from: pippipipipi on March 20, 2021, 06:50:13 PM

Quote from: Stalker22 on March 20, 2021, 06:44:09 PM

Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 09:06:26 AM

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:

Isn't it a little bit ironic?

Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 09:06:26 AM

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

I kind of doubt this. Wouldn't that be your first argument to refuse to pay a user if you had that against him?

What an irony!
I got a bonus and won, but I don't get any prize money! lol

Open a flag straight away. I will support it, lets weed out these kind of cheap scammers from our system.

pippipipipi

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Quote from: Stalker22 on March 20, 2021, 06:44:09 PM

Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 09:06:26 AM

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:
https://i.imgur.com/dJJdCpy.png

Isn't it a little bit ironic?

Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 09:06:26 AM

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

I kind of doubt this. Wouldn't that be your first argument to refuse to pay a user if you had that against him?

What an irony!
I got a bonus and won, but I don't get any prize money! lol

Stalker22

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Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 09:06:26 AM

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:

Isn't it a little bit ironic?

Quote from: Cratoon on March 20, 2021, 09:06:26 AM

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

I kind of doubt this. Wouldn't that be your first argument to refuse to pay a user if you had that against him?

pippipipipi

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Quote from: AceFairy on March 20, 2021, 06:17:30 PM

pleace public your method of betting, i am gonna abuse the F out of this den of thieves, parascam

It's okay to publish it, but just taunting it here doesn't help.
I have filed a new fraud accusation, and I hope it can be resolved there.
The curse here does not help solve it. If you are also victimized, we recommend that you file a fraudulent accusation.
sorry.

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