Topic: Pay in rubles or have your gas shut off by April - page 4. (Read 1971 times)

well it is a retaliation against a hostile country that imposes economic sanctions on russia. Of course a country like Germany feels this is extortion because Germany is forced to buy gas from Russia using the Russian currency, namely the ruble, and if Germany does not accept these conditions then Russia will not sell gas to Germany and gas prices in Germany will rise drastically. Among all NATO member countries Germany is a country that is in the most difficult position due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine because most of the energy in Germany is supplied by Russia.

well, this is of course not a very good option for Europeans. The currency will have to be converted and, accordingly, the states will lose money

Quoting again one armchair general who knows it all..

Obviously, since all you do it take guess you've ignored my offer to put your money where your mount is but a bit of public flogging is still what you deserve. It's been a month, not a few weeks since you posted this, and what a surprise, Ukraine's defense is not falling apart and Russia hasn't conquered half of Ukraine. Actually, how do you call this? 10% or 11%?



So, don't you think it's about time to quit it?


How? For god's sake, how!!?

There is only one pipeline to China has a capacity of 39 billion cubic meters it will be expanded by 2026 to 50 million.
There is no pipeline to India, Europe buys 150 billion cubic meters.
What is Russia going to do with 120 billion cubic meters, sell it to whom and how??

European countries would have to accept Russia's terms and agree to pay for Russian gas in rubles.  If they refuse Russian gas, Europe will suffer a huge gas shortage, the signs of this are already present.  Power has started to be interrupted, businesses that use gas as a chemical raw material will have to stop.  Putin's decision to switch to the ruble causes trouble for the EU

I've been in Russia about 20 years ago. Never really desired to visit it (except Moscow or St. Petersburg maybe), as it wont be very different from my hometown.

The fact that most of goods in Russia are imported does not mean that Russia can not produce them by themselves. That is only because it was cheap to get these goods imported, than to develop a production "at home". With my post I wanted to tell, that it will take, lets say 5 or 20 years, to start a production of most imported goods, when it will take less than 5 years to substitute Russian gas pipes and oil.

The world is currently going through a nerve war and its effects are beginning to be felt worldwide. As a result of the Ukraine war, the United States and its Western allies have imposed various sanctions on Russia in order to corner Russia. Russia, on the other hand, is trying to stem the ruble's decline through its oil, gas, and other exports. By cutting off oil and gas supplies, Russia is currently trying to put pressure on Europe and gain its support. Europe would rather not be cold and obviously, it needs gas there, then again, they additionally certainly need to affect Russia yet without a doubt Putin isn't excessively shallow and he has pondered this cautiously.

The economy and domestic market of Russia is one of the most import-dependent in the world! In fact, there is no closed-cycle production in Russia. They cannot produce 95% of goods and services without Western components, technologies... Have you ever been to Russia? Let me explain - if you go into an average apartment, inside of 100% of the available things, 99% will be IMPORTED or made from imported components, or produced using foreign technologies, on foreign equipment, under the control of Western specialists ... I have relatives living there, Novosibirsk. the third largest city in Russia. Relatives "hysterical patriots". They argued, went to count how many "Russian things" they have in the house. At first, almost all things were "Russian" Then they started to figure it out, do you know what turned out to be Russian in the whole apartment? Several cans of Russian-made CANNED from a Russian factory. True, I will assume that there is imported equipment !!!!!! Here is the "greatness" of Russia!

Russia is not as independent from other world as it might look at a glance. We all know that they have huge supplies of recourses, but having them is not enough. They cant fence off everyone and live their own life. Because one day they will run out of necessary imported goods. They need to get imported goods back and they need resource buyers. Simple economy basics.

Right now a lot of Russians think: We have a lot of resources, we will wait until Europe runs of of gas or petrol, wait till winter and everything will get back. On the other hand, Europe can spend a lot of money to build a system that will substitute gas with electricity for heating, or to build pipes that will allow to get gas from somewhere else, or find a way to substitute supplier. What can Russia do when they run out of spare parts, electronic stuff for devices and everything else? It will take more time to develop and produce all these from very beginning, than, for example, for Europe to build a gas pipe from Canada or Iran.

This might be childing explanation, but I hope you get the overall idea.

Moreover, most of the oil and gas needed comes from Russia, so even though the ruble is subject to sanctions, Russia can argue against Europe, who needs it more. and Europe is the victim because of the actions of Nato which was pioneered by America. On the other hand, the joining of China with China seemed to raise Russian guts about the country's economy, and this formed a new power for Russia.

Russia can do various things because they have the power and natural resources that Europe really needs, this is what Russia is not afraid of economic sanctions from Europe or the USA, especially Europe's dependence on Russian gas for decades so that it becomes a political force that is hard to beat.

Russia IS a superpower, the difference is that their "super" power comes from energy, which is something that could be acquired by some other nation or even become self sustaining if we spend enough time and money on it. China did the same thing, considered themselves as a superpower, reality is that the money comes from the west for manufacturing things, if we manufacture somewhere else then they are done with as well.

If you do not have money yourself, just like.. have it, then there is no way you could keep it going. I personally believe that the more you depend on other nations the less powerful you will become overtime.

I thinl that someone relevant came out recently that they found a loophole where they can pay in euros to Sberbank located in Switzerland (where the bank is not under sanctions), and thrn the bank will convert it into Rubles. I don't really understand how and why that would work, because this is not a case of finding loopholes in the contract as the contract itself and the terms were violated by Russia itself.

I see no such act as blackmail from Putin. Russia and her monarch members has received so many sanctions from the US and his allies. Her economy keeps crumbling along with top major companies closing down their branches in state. The man just need something to boost his country currency and economy and of course taking payment in roubles from the west and other customers seem to be the highest chance he has.

The rate at which fake news are flying at this current time is confusing. Fake news everywhere, and you have tried to bring the fact to the table. Putin might try to bring his own rule to force europe to pay for gas in reuble but I don't think that will last cause many eupean countries will down that offer. Even though europe does not support Russia attack on Ukraine, that does not mean that Putin will force the entire europe to but gas in reuble.

It is true that other countries are angry with Russia and they are imposing various sanctions on Russia. And in this situation, Russia is expected to try to export more oil and gas to China and India. But the question remains whether China will ally with Russia in such a situation. First, Saudi Arabia will never allow Russia or any other country to take the lead in oil imports/exports. Second, China is not so foolish as to go against the whole of Europe for Russia.

Well, yes, the reality is not at all the same as the Kremlin propaganda draws.
1. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen: "This is unjustified and unacceptable. And this once again demonstrates the unreliability of Russia as a gas supplier. We are ready for such a scenario. We are in close contact with all Member States. We are working to ensure alternative supplies and the best storage levels across the EU"
2. No one will pay for gas in rubles.
A post on behalf of the Chancellor of Austria was posted on the clone page. So everything is ok, let's breathe.

Russia has begun to think of itself as a superpower with a little bit of power. Now he is threatening not to supply gas to other countries!  For so long I have thought that if countries could not find alternatives, they would have no choice but to accept gas supplies on Russian terms. 

But I got the amazing information from the link shared by @stompix.  And it is only a matter of time before Russia's arrogant and aggressive attitude ends if the countries really form an alliance against Russia because of this alternative. 

Although Russia will try to form an alliance with one of the countries.  But, it remains to be seen whether Russia will face a single country hole against Europe. If Russia continues to threaten to cut off gas supplies, it will be a suicide for Russia.

Good evening !
No, I checked it by myself - the application was received, the pumping of Poland and Bulgaria ("brothers Slavs" is stopped.
Everything else is your thoughts, ok. Only for some reason you bypass one important, I would say the key essence or event. It sounds very simple - Russia has refused, unilaterally, to fulfill its OBLIGATIONS under previously signed agreements. At the same time, Poland, adhering to correctness and legality, IN ADVANCE, back in 2021, warned Russia that after the end, in 2022, of the contract for the supply of gas, it would not be extended due to a change in supplier. The rest of the literature does not interest me. I am interested in the fact of Russia's dishonorable behavior as a supplier. But in fact, this is good - she, Russia, herself made every effort to show and prove to everyone her dirty game, non-fulfillment of obligations, violation of contractual conditions, instability. In a word, they showed that they are a very unstable, dishonest partner, for whom to “throw” a partner is like breathing air. The question is what do you think about Russia's image losses as a "stable" supplier. Well and in general, such behavior in the commercial market?

PS I see propaganda draws new pictures? No, no one will wash less, no one will eat less. The essence of the process is the completion of relations with a dishonest partner, an aggressor partner, a global terrorist partner. Due to the difficult transition process, the EU is well aware that there will be some period of time with less comfortable conditions.
By the way, about "washing less" and other propaganda tricks - what is it like in Russia, the population, at least 50% knows what plumbing, central heating, sewerage, not feed grain in bread and milk from milk and not from palm oil?

According to Gazprom, so you could trust this just as much a badger doing your algebra homework..

Meanwhile, the only trustable news is this:
https://twitter.com/karlnehammer/status/1519236100375601152


As usual, misleading Russian fake news, who are those four European buyers? Hungary, Transnistria, Serbia and Abkhazia?
Use your brain, gas was already paid via Gazprom so how can you claim that 10 countries opened accounts at the bank now?
Go grab 3 sims copies!

Four European Gas Buyers Made Ruble Payments to Russia


Looks like a nice try.