Topic: Pay in rubles or have your gas shut off by April - page 6. (Read 1971 times)

Many countries indignantly refused to pay for gas in rubles. This is a violation of previously signed contracts. Most recently, at a meeting with Austria, Putin said that she could continue to pay in Euros, so the mood is not clear. I think Russia will sell gas for rubles, but selectively. A very difficult question, I think Putin will make you pay in rubles.

It seems true. I did a recheck online and several articles also talks about this increase in the ruble currency. The reason why it happens is already discussed in this thread but no, the ruble price is not higher than US dollars price. As of today, 1 ruble is only equivalent to 0.012 US dollars.

For your last question, it looks like Russia is the one that gains or benefits from the war because of what happened to their own currency but is that enough? Don't forget that they are still in sanctioned and its effect have not worn off yet. There might be other reasons on why this war have started, not only by this one and I think it wasn't in the plan before?

Most easy way to pay is USDT also putijn will like it instead of btc becouse its stable so he dont need to worry about volatility so much.

This is how you counter those sanction imposed to them and Putin is doing a right thing since from this they can .ame their economy more stronger even if the sanctions has not lifted out yet. Also as Russia is one of major distributer of some important products for sure many country will still do a business with them since its a huge loss for anyone if they ride with those sanctions and curse russia for what they do.

Putin is taking advantage of how much the Europeans need for the Russian gas and oil isn't compromised by the standing sanction. And this is a perfect strategy to awaken the slowly diminishing roubles.  I understand Putin is ensuring the Russian economy still stand tall despite the invasion and the irreplaceable desire for natural resources will still keep the Russian boarders open giving them the opportunity to demand their choice of payment gateway

In my opinion there isn't any victor on the battlefield as war is senseless and bloody

How true of the Russian Ruble having it's worth despite the sanctions imposed ?
Is the Rubble worth more than the USD right now ?
I asked a question some weeks back about who gain's from War, now I think it should have been, when two great countries fight the lower countries gain from them, who are the major benfitors of the war ?

This characteristic can be given to any country in the world. I'm surprised that you just wrote about Russia. Do you really not consider this country great? Difficult times always happen, but we know history and understand that in such circumstances countries are forced to change their usual path and become only stronger. I am sure that Russia will cope with all the difficulties in the near future.

As practice shows, apologists for the Russian world often turn the dialogue into a farce and turn to primitive insults! So the moderation itself is exclusively for this. And your right to like or not like this format. It is your right !

About the second part. The example you gave - absolutely agree with you! Everything is as you say! Having more income than expenses is a great indicator!
Here's just a nuance - what does this situation have to do with today's Russia? Russia has a huge internal deficit, Russia has huge spending on war, Russia has accumulated huge liabilities in recent years, Russia has absolutely real losses in the hydrocarbon market, and, accordingly, a tremendous decrease in revenue. Tell me - and in such a situation, what kind of stability and prospects can we talk about? Let's just be realists and talk about real events and facts, and everything will fall into place!

Why make a topic self-moderated, you don't trust the qualifications of moderators? I avoid posting in self-moderated topics, especially when the author is actively broadcasting a position other than neutral. Your position is definitely anti-Russian, it can be seen from your posts.

You don't need a PhD in economics to understand one simple thing. With all the desire, it is very difficult to go bankrupt, having a sharply positive foreign trade balance and a planned budget surplus. When you earn more than you spend, you don't have to worry about getting a margin call. This is a basic truth in the economy, something that you can reliably rely on and this soil will never leave you from under your feet. Your neighbor, who skillfully uses credit leverage and has a planned deficit budget, is likely to have a higher standard of living, he will have a newer and more modern car, a more spacious house in a more prestigious area, but in case of reputation problems and stains on his credit history - he will start in trouble, from which he can lose both the car and the house. But when you honestly earned yourself a car and a house, and paid for them in full, you can afford to give a damn about your credit history and not become a homeless pedestrian. Think about it at your leisure.

Thanks for the answer. To begin with, self-moderation is evil for you? Do you think I will delete objectionable posts? I'm willing to give my word that, theoretically, only posts that are offensive or violate forum rules can be removed. If you want - if suddenly it comes to deleting posts - I will collect them in one post for "conservation". In a word, do not be afraid - we have democracy and not Russian totalitarianism with total control of everyone and everything

Well, on topic:

"The snn article you link to is nonsense and premature ejaculation." - this is just YOUR thought, but also far from reality. Few people believe in fairy tales about the fact that "Russia is a great power" for a long time. This is a country of a terrorist - yes, this is a country of a criminal - yes, a country of a thief - yes. But not great And she has as much money left as she has left. But at the same time, she has obligations, she has a need to wage a losing war in Ukraine, with huge losses and costs. And there is a desire to continue to violate the accepted international obligations, laws, agreements. Regarding the blocking of funds, these are sanctions in response to the annexation of a part of the territory of an independent country, as well as the unleashing of a terrorist war on the territory of Ukraine, by the way, the security of which was Russia itself. Sanctions do not contradict any norms and laws - if this is not the case, your arguments and references to the legislative framework. Moreover, you forgot one nuance - most of the blocked funds will be transferred to funds to compensate Ukraine for the damage caused by Russia as an aggressor.

So I'm sure we will soon see a further collapse of the "strongest economy, the greatest power", which is actually an empty shell and whose statements are empty words

I agree that Ukraine would have absolutely zero chance to invade Russia, that is not even to be considered at all. However, Russia is not a "super" power without nuclear weapons. There are nations with resources everywhere around the world and yet they are not that rich, they are doing alright or corrupted as hell.

Look at Venezuela, they have oil like no other nation around them and yet they are doing worse than all the others, why? Because they are corrupted. If they had no nuclear powers, Russia would have been terrible, they would have been Saudi Arabia at the very best. So, do not consider them as big as you may imagine, majority of their power comes from nuke threat.

Europe can be warmed by even the dried shit of Ukrainian refugees, if it is sufficiently democratic and carbon neutral. Only 10-15% of the gas consumed by Europe is used for heating, the main consumer of gas is industry, and fertilizers for agriculture are also made from gas. The rejection of Russian gas will cause the collapse of the entire energy-intensive industry in Germany and Italy.

I will answer you here because you made your topic about the Russian "default" self-moderated. The snn article you link to is bullshit and premature ejaculation. Russia has more than enough money to pay all its debts immediately and in full. But the West needs Russia to declare a technical default in order not only to freeze the $300 billion of the Russian Central Bank, but also to expropriate them. This is the most common theft and robbery, the West issued a "black mark" to itself and undermined confidence in the dollar and the euro (as well as in the Japanese yen, the British pound and even the Swiss franc). Further, in essence, the due date for the payment, which could not be met due to the freezing of funds, was April 5th. After that, there is a month of grace period until May 5th. After that, creditors can present for default, but a quorum must take place, which must still be collected, which is technically not easy to do. Further, if the quorum of creditors still meets, the rating agency must declare a technical default. It is not clear which rating agency will be able to do this, they all stopped working with Russia due to sanctions. Then there will be a trial, because Russia has payments in its hands confirming that it paid its obligations in good faith on time, but the bank did not process these payments due to sanctions. And only then will there be a real technical default, and Russia will lose access to the external borrowing market, which it has already lost due to sanctions.

Let's have your next weekly package of sanctions, Russia puts them in a package with packages.

Today is April 11, 2022. In March, until April 1, the "leader of the greatest power" set an ultimatum - "whoever does not pay in rubles from April 1, the shipment of gas / oil will be stopped. I said so, I am the greatest ruler!" . Can someone tell without a smirk how the "greatest new Fuhrer" brought the whole world to its knees and how his ultimatum was implemented? And tell us what else do you think the "greatest ruler" will take in the next steps, who today brought the "greatest economy" to a financial default!

Who told you that these two countries are against Russia? Where is that written? All the economic transactions that were with these countries did not stop for a second. The news that you are presented with is full of fakes and garbage.

“I know hundreds of ways to get a bear out of its den, but none to get it back in. Don't tease the Russian bear."
Great politician Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck

Why did no one learn to listen to smart people?
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Because people are simply illiterate. They listen to the news that certain people choose to show them and draw conclusions. If a person wants to draw conclusions about something, then he needs information and brains. And if these components are not present, then we see the results now.

OMG, this is very treat for all over the world So if it will take a real place it can harmful for all the world and the total system can clops I think.

Disagree. And I'll even prove it
"Super Country" is not something that can be measured with a ruler. Or the presence of nuclear weapons. For example, nuclear weapons - North Korea has them. Is she a superpower? Not !
Ukraine occupies a leading position in the reserves of titanium, uranium ores and something else - a superpower? Not ! Pakistan is in the top 5 countries in terms of population - is it a super country? Not ! So what is a super country? In my opinion, a super-country, this is a country that necessarily satisfies a set of indicators. These include:
1. Developed and leading economy.
2. A country that owns and is a developer and owner of technologies (the wider the coverage, the better - from toilet paper processing to genetic chemistry, semiconductors and the space industry)
3. A country that owns a strong and technologically advanced army. The effectiveness of today's army is not in the number of people and tanks, but in technologies and the ability to use them
4. A country with a strong political influence on the world community.
5. Rights and freedoms, legislative adequacy, developed and accessible medicine and other "society organizing services"

I think the list can be expanded. But these are quite enough for a simple, initial assessment. So if you apply this profile to Russia, you will be surprised to notice that none of its indicators are such that it can be attributed to a superpower! Moreover - for all it is almost at the bottom, and only in some, it is conditionally "average"!
Does its area seem "great" to you? So I will open your eyes - in Russia, more than 30% of its territory is habitable. 70% of the territory is not residential area! nothing has ever been built there, and never will be. There are no minerals and conditions for the development of anything. Population ? Yes many. But there are many countries where there are more people. Army. Well, we have already listened to this "fairy tale" .. Ukraine has proved that this is a lie and fake Resources? So after the introduction of the first sanctions, in Russia even simple A4 office paper became a shortage!!! Do you know why? That's right - the Russian economy is completely dependent on the technology of the West!
Would you like to continue the disappointment?!

It's a fake course. There is no way to buy currency until September. As soon as it is - the course is above space.

What about electric heating or using pressed briquettes ? With financial support from government, private houses can change heating system. I am not an expert, but wont central heating be replaced with steam heating? I think it does not matter how to heat water in pipes, with gas or steam boiler. First years will be hard, but wont countries have some gas supply. And I think people can always buy gas from "Russia friendly countries" with the price cheaper than directly from Russia, but expensive then usually.

Europe has considered Russia an aggressor since at least March 2014, when Crimea was annexed from Ukraine as a result of Operation "Polite People". There was a lot of noise in all political circles about this, the European Union, together with the United States, strongly condemned Russia's actions and imposed economic sanctions. Has Europe been able to get rid of, or at least reduce, its dependence on Russian gas in eight years and improve energy security level? The answer is no. There is no alternative to Russian gas for Europe, neither reasonable nor even unreasonable. And any statements to the contrary are cheap political populism in pursuit of pre-election popularity. "Pay for gas in rubles or die", it does not look like a difficult choice to think about for a long time.