Topic: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation - page 54. (Read 156693 times)

Sorry, dumb question, but how do you get this IRC thing you guys are always talking about?  I am way out of the loop on this.  Is there like an official bitcoin / bitcoinica chat room or something?

Thanks,

The domain was not compromised. The hacker directed the domain to other site because he changed the load balancer settings to act as a reverse proxy. The domain name itself was safe.

The DNSSEC errors were because our previous registrar GoDaddy supported DNSSEC and we didn't disable it before transferring to another registrar that doesn't support DNSSEC. So some users from certain ISPs may have difficulties accessing the site.

That was a response to the claim. (and no, idiots I didn't make a claim to this crew over /email/ All I did was respond "Gox USD plx kthxbai"

It had the Claim ID in it  It was foolishly not GPG signed.

You don't seriously think I would believe ANYTHING that came from bitcoinica.com, do you? That domain has been compromised. I wouldn't have responded if it HAD come from bitcoinica.com. TBH, I would chucked it if it came from hushmail.com - but somehow, riseup didn't raise my hackles.

Phantomcircuit contacted me on IRC immediately after I announced there I'd received this email - that lent serious credibility to the email. I did not ask him if it was legit.

neofutur also has received on of these same emails. He posted in #bitcoinica his email receipt was not questioned there.

The emails do appear to be legit.


EDIT: just so I don't cause confusion: I have received the email, but have not received any actual funds. While I don't actually expect them for a few days, I will belay any real optimism or celebration until that time, should it occur.

I will post here when I do receive the funds.

Nor for me. As disorganized as this process seems to be, I can't imagine they would be giving claims status from anything other than an official Bitcoinica email account.

Suggest you don't send your claim ID...

Looks good. I only google genjix and all I got was some wiki results, "email protected" and bitcoinmedia which I can imagine someone could fake easily (for example sending them email with faked message and hope they'll publish it, modifying wiki and so on).

Sorry for that. It seems we have payouts then. Unfortunately, no payouts for me.

genjix and been associated with that domain before. the mail i got, also included my claim id, which is hopefully only known to bitcoinica and me.

email is highly likely to be real

Google doesn't agree with you, that it isn't genjix email
https://www.google.com/search?q="genjix%40riseup.net"

Yeah, and what is the riseup.net domain? It does not belong to genjix, nor to bitcoinica, ZT or someone I know of. It seems to be some generic webmail. Sorry to be suspitious, but I'd expect official communication to be at least from well known address and gpg signed.

Maybe somebody can confirm that it's genjix' email.

[ignore this if the email above is fake]If it is true and payouts are really starting, there should be announcement on the bitcoinica.com saying "first 10% of claims has been verified and asked for payment methods. Payments will be processed tomorrow" or stuff. Do you know how this one cheap sentense (with a few trusted people sayit it's true and their accounts are the ones that are paid) would have helped your reputation?[/ignore this if the email above is fake]

Not for me, unfortunately

(I have had an account there from day one, and supplied exact amounts of my balance/positions).

YES! the payouts has begun!

In some of the conflicting statements, you'd sure hope no one is mistaken. TBH, I would think that worse than lying.

I'm sure most everybody understands that.  But what should be just as obvious is that two people can make two contradictory claims and neither one be lying.  It could be the case that both are merely mistaken.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Hello,

We have verified the initial round of Bitcoinica customers and you have
been deemed eligible for the payout as specified in your claim:

No one from that company has really been 100% forthright, and yet you're still bitching at me about saying they're lying while I simply state the fact that when asked, the principals at bitcoinica refused to answer who is the General Partner  - Frankly, I think that's seriously dishonest, and at best completely disingenuous. But, you can think what ever the hell you want - I'm personally sick of having smoke blown up my ass from one side of the other  (and all the sides of bitcoinica represented in this thread CAN'T be telling the truth, because they don't fucking agree!)

But, then I don't really expect most people to understand that to diametrically opposing statements cannot simultaneously be true.

Would you mind pasting the headers? I am curious if someone is just fucking with you (completely possible).

I have received an email from genjix


I was requested to reply with my preference for repayment (GOX-USD or Bitcoin) - and offered other (possible) repayment options if those would not work for me.

I requested GOX-USD. I stated that I would like to know whether the repayment would be 100% of the balance, or not, and the closing price of my open position.

I did not provide ID verification, but as posted earlier in this thread, I did post my OTC key on my personal website, and on my 2 google profiles, all of which confirm my "ownership" of this nickname, also used on my bitcoinica account. My google profiles lead to my real identity, which is not in any way secret. My website domain is the same as my nickname. (srsly a passport would be redundant)

However, I have not as yet received response or payment (nor do I really expect one for a few days)

For the moment, I will shut up and await further word from the team. I look forward to that, and then I will look forward to a complete and full explanation of the entire situation once all legal/financial obstacles have been cleared.

It would be good to finally understand why this has gone so horribly wrong, so that the proper reputations may be restored (and vice versa if appropriate)

I agree that we ought to be careful about accusations of lying.  However, given all the inconsistent reports offered by the various bitcoinica representatives, at the very least some of the representatives are misinformed about the subject of their own reports.  And that has only served to weaken my faith in any of their reports, including their consistent claim that people will get some of their money back.

Guruvan can you please be a bit more careful with your assumptions and responses?

Almost every post from you shows you drawing wildly and far fetched conclusions and then getting angry based on you own conclusions, not the facts. Please learn to distinguish what is your impression from what has been actually stated!


Without doubt, this situation is annoying and bears a lot of uncertainties. We had quite some badly lacking official communication. But I am not aware of anyone lying to us. There was only partial disclosure (which is a common business practice), but any of the details provided later on did fit into the partial image available beforehand. Please go back an read the official statements on this forum. And read them carefully and try to distinguish from your "impression". Even Zhoutong always indicated what he "thought" should be done or what he "proposed" and on the other hand there are some facts he really knew, and he indicated so, and other people like genjix confirmed those.

The situation is uncomfortable for any of us, but by steering emotions we just help the dishonest and unfair people present in this thread, just waiting for their chance to seed fear, uncertainty and doubt.

-- Ichthyo


PS: if anyone wants to take legal action, please behave like real business people, talk to you lawyer, draw your conclusions on other business partners for yourself, privately, but stop creating noise and hot air here on the forum publicly.

And has repeatedly failed to prove this to the rest of us.

Probably? Sorry, none of these guys' words are good enough. Not a one of them has shown that they can tell the truth 100% without fail. So, no "probably" isn't good enough. If there was a single example of one bitcoinica employee/owner/partner/consultant or Whatever, that had told us the FULL truth when first asked then maybe if would be the case that we should (or rather, could) believe them. But, despite repeated questioning, we still don't have the truth on most of the issues.

Proof is what's in order - and really - what is in order is Bitcoinica, LP, putting the funds in a trust that earns interest FOR THE CUSTOMERS instead of hiding it where it earns interest for bitcoinica.

A bunch of unverifiable statements just aren't helping the case here. Looks really scammy guys. More so with each and every day.

Couldn't have said it better. Thanks for this post