I entered my password, hit authenticate, but nothing happened. Is that normal?
I think that's a good sign
Topic: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation - page 51. (Read 156711 times)
June 12, 2012, 07:31:57 PM
I think that's a good sign
June 12, 2012, 07:31:43 PM
I entered my password, hit authenticate, but nothing happened. Is that normal?
Same happened to me, and no message like the last couple of posts.Same thing. The password field just disappeared.
It should be normal. I entered my password and it disappeared, but in the backend it shows "Password verified" as true.
June 12, 2012, 07:30:20 PM
I entered my password, hit authenticate, but nothing happened. Is that normal?
Same happened to me, and no message like the last couple of posts.Same thing. The password field just disappeared.
June 12, 2012, 07:28:05 PM
Brutal Im getting a
No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
+1No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
but... it is something !!!
June 12, 2012, 07:24:32 PM
Brutal Im getting a
No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
same issue here.
June 12, 2012, 07:12:47 PM
I entered my password, hit authenticate, but nothing happened. Is that normal?
Same happened to me, and no message like the last couple of posts. June 12, 2012, 07:06:46 PM
I entered my password, hit authenticate, but nothing happened. Is that normal?
June 12, 2012, 07:00:23 PM
Brutal Im getting a
No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
June 12, 2012, 06:59:14 PM
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No password hash found please contact [email protected] to request manual verification
bummer. Does this mean you only have a partial record of password hashes?
June 12, 2012, 06:55:21 PM
Just follow the link you received when you first filled the claim. There you have the new password form.
June 12, 2012, 06:53:48 PM
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Please verify your ownership of the claimed account by opening the claim and authenticating.
Sorry I don't understand. ,,, I don't feel like trying either.
Please care to elaborate.
June 12, 2012, 06:53:36 PM
What does this mean?
June 12, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
There is now a password form on the claims page.
Please enter your password to verify you are indeed the rightful owner of the account.
Please enter your password to verify you are indeed the rightful owner of the account.
I'm not seeing a password form on https://claims.bitcoinica.com (yes I did a hard refresh of the page)
I also received the following email from Bitcoinica [email protected] via sendgrid.info:
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Please verify your ownership of the claimed account by opening the claim and authenticating.
A link and some instructions would have been helpful here..
And to echo dree12's question: How are you verifying these passwords, without a database?
June 12, 2012, 06:33:37 PM
There is now a password form on the claims page.
Please enter your password to verify you are indeed the rightful owner of the account.
How are you verifying these passwords, without a database? Or is this the 1/5 that was reconstructed? Please enter your password to verify you are indeed the rightful owner of the account.
June 12, 2012, 06:31:37 PM
There is now a password form on the claims page.
Please enter your password to verify you are indeed the rightful owner of the account.
Please enter your password to verify you are indeed the rightful owner of the account.
June 12, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
I wonder if it's binding when it's only copied and pasted from some other website: https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=14&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22or+records+or+any+part+thereof%2C+or+for+delays%2C+losses%22
~Bruno~
Why on earth would that matter? Most contracts are full of stock standard clauses and boilerplates - it would be more unusual if Bitcoinica's didn't include those.
Putting a force majeure clause into a contract doesn't mean it will hold up in court - especially if you're trying to include things over which you should reasonably have had control and mitigated risk.
June 12, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
I believe that the company had plans to amend the Terms of Service to mention the illegibility of NZ non-accredited/non-institutional investors for Bitcoinica service.
You mean the Terms of Service available at: https://bitcoinica.com/pages/tos ?
Oh, that's right - Customers did not have access to terms of service for over a month, at a time where it matters the most.
Speaking of ToS:
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[17] Force Majeure
You agree that Bitcoinica will not be liable in any way to you or to any other person in the event of force majeure, or for the act of any Government or legal authority, or for the failure of or damage or destruction to its computer systems, data or records or any part thereof, or for delays, losses, errors or omissions resulting from the failure or mismanagement of any telecommunications or computer equipment or software. The parties shall be released of all responsibilities for partial, full or non-fulfillment, as well as for improper fulfillment of the obligations under this Agreement, if such non-fulfillment or improper fulfillment was a result of extraordinary events, which occurred after this Agreement was concluded and which the party could not either foresee or prevent (natural calamities, wars, armed conflicts etc.).
You agree that Bitcoinica will not be liable in any way to you or to any other person in the event of force majeure, or for the act of any Government or legal authority, or for the failure of or damage or destruction to its computer systems, data or records or any part thereof, or for delays, losses, errors or omissions resulting from the failure or mismanagement of any telecommunications or computer equipment or software. The parties shall be released of all responsibilities for partial, full or non-fulfillment, as well as for improper fulfillment of the obligations under this Agreement, if such non-fulfillment or improper fulfillment was a result of extraordinary events, which occurred after this Agreement was concluded and which the party could not either foresee or prevent (natural calamities, wars, armed conflicts etc.).
I assume Bitcoinica is not treating this incident as Force Majeure? If not, how is Bitcoinica LP treating it?
Let's assume that those tos are geniune.
See bold text. Bitcoinica, who the hell came up with this drivel for you. Do you really think you can write this shit into Force Majeure and everything is hanky dory and you can just continue to be be as grossly negligent as you are? Yea nice lawmanship. Get proper lawyer to draft for you the terms. Bitcoinica, with such drivel in force majeure clause you are way better off without one.
tl;dr Bitcoinica thinks that having their computers hacked releases it from any liabilities to everyone.
I don't see what's so shocking about that. Isn't that exactly what Linode thinks (as was written in their ToS), and, infact, what ended up being the case for the big hack a few months ago? If I remember, all Bitcoinica ended up getting was an apology and an offer of free service for a year.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not defending that practice, I'm simply pointing out that it doesn't seem to be uncommon and it's apparently enforceable.
I wonder if it's binding when it's only copied and pasted from some other website: https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=14&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22or+records+or+any+part+thereof%2C+or+for+delays%2C+losses%22
~Bruno~
June 12, 2012, 02:30:14 PM
if anyone wonders how positions will be liquidated here is the best answer I could find, https://intersango.com/terms.php (whether relevant to bitcoinica or not)
The most hilarious part was emphasized by yours truly.
Clauses 13, 14, and 15 on that page also have significant comedy value.
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ACCOUNT CLOSURE PROCEDURE
These procedures represent a typical account closure; we reserve the right to change, modify, or completely ignore these procedures.
Your bitcoin balance will be liquidated
A check will be mailed to you at your expense for all resulting funds.
These procedures represent a typical account closure; we reserve the right to change, modify, or completely ignore these procedures.
Your bitcoin balance will be liquidated
A check will be mailed to you at your expense for all resulting funds.
The most hilarious part was emphasized by yours truly.
Clauses 13, 14, and 15 on that page also have significant comedy value.
June 12, 2012, 01:47:31 PM
So people that have open position on bitcoinia still don't know what is going on with that... and the price in bitcoins are going up, wouldn't you hire more staff to handle these claims before the price in bitcoins really goes higher... The longer bitcoinica takes the more they lose, and im speculating that bitcoins will be alot higher before I get my bitcoins back.
On the bright side, if you the price of bitcoins continues to go up, then maybe bitcoinica's grip will keep you from selling out too early. See, there's always a silver lining.
June 12, 2012, 01:27:48 PM
So people that have open position on bitcoinia still don't know what is going on with that... and the price in bitcoins are going up, wouldn't you hire more staff to handle these claims before the price in bitcoins really goes higher... The longer bitcoinica takes the more they lose, and im speculating that bitcoins will be alot higher before I get my bitcoins back.
If they just give people some information, people can hedge their positions. But alas, they aren't giving the information because they haven't decided yet. In my opinion, such a decision should be priority. But then again, who am I decide what's best for them?
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