Topic: People who gamble are degenerates, change my mind. - page 6. (Read 16243 times)

I don't think so, if these people are degenerate in mind then the government should ban all forms of gambling because they do not want a society with degenerate minds, some go to gambling sites for entertainment and some to make money of course, there's a risk factor, but if you have a supportive friends and family you will not end up as a compulsive gambler.

Indeed, we need to choose a normal way in gambling, if we cross our limit then it become dangerous for us, and it is true, that mostly people have negative thinking about it. It is because we can't control ourself and we cross our limitation in gambling.

Not everyone who drinks alcohol turns into a drunk, and not everyone who plays the slot machine turns into an addict. It's all about being an adult, setting limits and taking responsibility for our actions. Some people have addictive personalities and/or need to grow up before they destroy their lives and wreck the lives of their families and children. There's nothing wrong with having the occasional wager on the slots or Roulette table, but some people go way overboard and gamble more than they can afford to lose, leaving their dependents to go hungry, etc. I don't have any sympathy for degenerates like that. I only feel sorry for their children and families.

That is the thing, understanding the aspect of playing moderately and with balance. How? Putting limits to the time and money you will spend daily or weekly. Daily limits are a lot better when you faced addiction in the past, day by day effort and having a step by step mindset can release a lot of chains made by yourself inside your mind.

Also you are 100% right that some people do it to try to get rich overnight but a lot of people do it for fun too and it's something that needs to be understood since it's so recreational like MMORPG's.

Yes. Gambling with your own limits might keep you from being addicted to it. Gamble only with your extra money and if you happened to lose them all, then just go home and just spend time with your loved ones. Never try chasing your losses by gambling even more because definitely you will end up a big loser at the end of the day.

Giving criticism is okay. However, this criticism will not have a major effect on people who are already addicted to gambling. I think the OP might only give an appeal and remind us all of the dangers and risks if we gamble.

Excessive gambling can really affect someone else's mind. But if you are just a moderate gambler and using your extra money and knows how to control your funds, I guess you are a responsible gambler that knows how to stick with your limits. And this will not give you a miserable life.

The OP didnt say compulsive, just any gambler which is OTT.   Most gamblers just spend spare money, which is less harmful then spending it on alcohol and cigarettes.   We dont call people who drink or smoke degenerates and both can kill you in the end or lead to misfortune.
The point is not to do any these to excess but anything can be a mistake really

We don’t  have to wait for compulsive gamblers to harm anyone before correcting what is wrong. And this idea of they aren’t gambling without money seems to me like we don’t really care about what happens to this individuals. This has nothing to do with imposing opinions on individuals but rather correcting what is wrong, there is always a place for constructive criticism and that is exactly what we are doing here.

There was man I know years back that would spend all his day and time on gambling, no one could correct him or call him names because they all felt it was his money, until this man finished all he had on gambling and rendered his family homeless. Those compulsive gamblers are nothing but degenerates indeed

Yeah as better this is the way I started to play betting. I have started to bet when there is a high chance of winning unfortunately I lose. This is where the taking another opportunity to bet and win the lose. Yes, I could win but most of the time I lose.

Now, I learn my lesson and that is to keep calm and cool when betting. Never bet when one is not calm for it will lead to a baf decision making.

No one really cares about what you think about gambling and gamblers. As long as they are gambling with their own money and not harming anyone directly, it is not proper to criticize them. In the modern world, it is not considered politically correct to impose your views of morality on someone else. You may be offended by something and the best thing to do in that case should be to stay away from that. 

They want money because they are in need of money so the people who are growing them and also the respective governments are also reason for these kind of behaviour at younger age.People need to learn in the childhood days which is the only thing give stable income later stages of their life or they just need to wait for their luck to turn on their side at every occasion of betting.

Well the term degenerate is a pretty narrow way to look at it. It's like saying these people are senile where in fact, a lot of them are sharp when it comes to other things aside from gambling. We all have our own personal preferences when it comes to entertainment and there sre just some who gets too deep into gambling. Same as those getting addicted to mobile games or going to bars and drinking. You don't vonsider these people degenrates right? Hope i made sense 😁

You’re saying the truth . Gambling has a lot of negative impacts, and where u live I do see children who are gamblers and I just imagine what their future will be like, cause most of them I know that started living such life as a kid ended up with a miserable life. The worst of it all is that some places will be permitting little children to come in and gamble, when they know that it us very bad,. I wouldn’t blame them,  they just want to make money.

You used the right word mate and that is friendly activity. But the mistake is people who now that it as an office or avenue to make money, some people now gamble because they want to get rich overnight. So out of desperation, they will commit money that is too much for them to loose, some will now be on the game all and all nights and this is really very bad.

If this game can be seen as a friendly activity as used by the above poster, then players will understand the aspect of playing moderately. Just play with the intention to catch fun, spend the little you can afford, just like we make budgets to go to eateries. This way, we will not have so much history of addicted gamblers.

i think every gambler is different, i'm not a gambler who does social gambling/ or just occasionally, i do it alot.

but i gamble what i can afford, for months at a time and, when i don't have enough to throw away i can quit for months at a time. and i know almost every gambler has said they can stop at any time, but i have done it dozens of times.
I have won thousands and didn't feel the need to keep going so i cashed out.
i have won 500$+ dozens of times and felt like it wasn't enough to cashout, and lost it. a majority of what i play is 5-10$ deposits so these would be 30x-50x wins and i'm not satisfied. i'm not rich or making great money, but when i cashout i want to get something nice. but if i didn't go for those big cashouts i'd probably still average around the same winnings.

my definition of a degen is someone who can't stop, and someone willing to scam or steal just to play.  i think it's fine to gamble nonstop if you're winning or losing and not effecting you financially, if you feel you need it instead of want it it's also a problem.

my last few big wins was years ago, and i still consider being in the green
"nonstop about the fact that they have a 'sure thing' or that this is the game that's going to turn them around. Stuff like that."
i think only a gambler can point this out, you will probably think i'm as crazy as the ones youre talking about but,
there are alot of gamblers who make a living gambling, that other gamblers see as idols. its no different from an artist wanting a 1 in a million contract and refusing to giveup on their dreams because it's not realistic.
it's impossible to make a living playing dice,roulette etc, unless you find and exploit which many has done in the past but that's not my point. games where you can gain an edge and perfect it, i think that's what a majority of players mean when they want to make a living playing it.


also
A perfect example would be from my past experience.
I had an unrealistic goal to win every poker tournament i played.
even though freeroll players are worse this was 12 different tournaments that day, with 1000-1400 players in each. i came in first out of 10 of those and in the top 3 all 12 games
building those stacks, avoiding badbeats, plus multitabling some of those, thinking about how it impossible it seems and achieving it the one day i make it my goal.

I don't intend to make a living gambling but i think anyone that envisions the impossible has a better shot then those that limit their selves.

I'm everything you described as a degen, and i'm perfectly happy with the way i gamble, it doesn't fit my definition of a degen but like i said there's alot of different types of gamblers and your definition covers almost all of them, overall i think you are judging from lack of information and experience. and the only way to change your mind is if you change your definition of what a degen is.



just because your friends gamble doesn't mean they're addicted.
I also started gambling at 13 lol, if the person is prone to addiction i don't see any logic with your argument "wait till they see the horrible outcomes" as an adult" as a child their losses would be limited and would be more likely to get help at an early age.


"we've normalized in our culture to make it seem like it's just apart of life."


i don't know what country you're in, but most countries thats known for gambling, united states,mascow,macau,sidney,dubai offer some level of freedom to do the things you genuinely enjoy.  ""but yeah, no one actually enjoys it we forced it into our culture so the minority which are addicted gamblers can suffer. while the rest of the gamblers keeping these big casinos in business are doing it just to laugh at the addicts"""

your'e really misinformed

The problem is just the addiction. Gambling can be a friendly activity like any other you do on weekends, holidays and vacations. What isn't normal, as you said, is someone who is every day behind a computer or gambling machine spending money that he or she can't afford to lose.
However you can't stop this issue imposing heavy regulations on gambling activity, what would be harmful for the industry and for the economy of a city or country. Think what would be Las Vegas for an example, without gambling or with heavy regulations over it.

Not everyone, depends on gambler. Since we talk so loudly, the only persons I can call degenerate are those who are very poor and instead of trying to get job, spend all of their money (usually given by mother or father) in casino with hope that they are smart and some day they'll beat casino and want to make gambling their "job" because they are so lazy.
Otherwise what's wrong if I have good salary, feed family and etc but gamble with some bucks because I enjoy playing dice or poker or etc? Am I still stupid? Can deposit 1$ daily and never exceed that amount, just get 1 hour play of poker after stressful day.

Our mind contained alot of things and addicted to gambling is one of those things. We should not be carry away by how many people has lose in gambling and think that it is for the degenerated mind but have in mind that they are people making it also in gambling.  The way we used our mind is what enabling us to get something from it.

I don't believe it's government's fault. In fact, government are very strict regulating gambling. In my opnion, it's more one parent's fault; they know what are the responsibilities in every of their actions. Kids won't be influenced by wrong deeds if their parents become a good model for them.