Topic: PhoenixMiner 6.2c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux) - page 97. (Read 784985 times)

Phoenix is the only miner whose memory tweaks work stably on my STRIX 1080. A relatively tiny dev fee is more than deserved for getting my hashrate up by 30-40%.

I should have become a dev for miner software.................

Fair enough for me, I will continue using Phoenix miner.

As promised, we will confirm that we are not hacked in any way by transferring 123.456 ETH from our defvee account at 0x008c26f3a2Ca8bdC11e5891e0278c9436B6F5d1E

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Oh the spinning of NH reaction and smear campaign on their Reddit forum is gone to new heights.  The main arguement why NH is not responsible for the FUD and smear campaign is because the end user click a pop up and download the 5.5d so therefore its on the end user for downloading it, without vetting it.  Ignoring the fact that NH offered it and therefore implied it was a validate version.  I am always amazed at some of the stupid logic that people use to defend the indefensible actions of companies NH and djeZo.

JimS2321

Having interacted with djeZo several times in the last couple of weeks talking to him about his Quickminer he is very unstable.  He seems pretty insistent that it is only a matter of time before one of the "3rd party" miners steals everything you own and that he is the only solution that can keep you safe. Yet his actions the last few days have demonstrated that he is anything but safe.  Everything else that has been used for months is suddenly deemed so unsafe that you should immediately switch to Quickminer lest you become a victim. Not some other supported miner, but his specifically and not the main Nicehash, but this new quickminer, and not the tryout quickminer, but the installer version. This didn't just start the last couple of days with Phoenix miner stuff.  He has been on this crusade to call everything else unsafe since at least January.

Also if you go on the Nicehash discord you'll find that djeZo888 hadn't participated at all until last month at least not on that account. That's when Quickminer started getting called the only "safe" solution and yet the main Nicehash miner still installs 3rd party miners by default.

Also why would you not have any kind of "status" or indicator in your own discord that you are the dev and someone with authority/importance?  He's a nitro booster, but anyone can do that.

So why is Phoenix so risky, but nbminer is not?
If 3rd party miners are ticking timebombs then why install any 3rd party miners at all?
Why is the version of Nicehash miner with only the addition of limited liability statements still only a test version and not being forced out to everyone if its that unsafe?
Why does this new version still install 3rd party plugins by default if they are unsafe?
Why not remove Phoenix miner entirely instead of using a 15.9 "fake" version?

There is just so much that doesn't add up with this drama.  And as was stated here by JFoxOne it sure seems like djeZo is at the center of it all.

Thanks for your response Phoenixminer, your story sounds legit but I think a lot of us would like to have some additional peace of mind.

How can we get this?

One thing I can think of is that someone can analyze the binary..

I think it would great if someone with some cracking and Assembly experience could analyze Phoenix miner for any suspicious routines.

Even if decompiling does not fully work you'd think that miners are so straightforward that many suspicious routines would stand out, just by checking the assembly instructions. For example, a miner has no business accessing most of the I/O streams of a system or opening unexplained external ports.

Surely Phoenixminer would not mind right?

May I suggest establishing and using PGP Signature for important official announcements (eg. new release, official response to important issues, file checksums) from now on? Then there will never be any doubt of your identity.

Of course this will be after you proving this account is authentic.

I must say this has turned into the second royal shit show over the past 48 hours.

NH has handled this extremely poorly and the rush to judgement speaks volumes about how their business is being run.

I will continue to use and support the Phoenix software and their dev team.

Kim Dotcom is just a liar

I did too, but I haven't used it for months...basically only the first week and a half that I ever mined.  Nicehash isn't too bright if this was a ploy against PM, as it's going to have the opposite effect in that many now will not trust NH.

I just uninstalled NiceHash and will never use them again. Lost $10 doing so (below their minimum withdraw limit) but not interested in supporting them in future. Small loss

I think your answer is in their Tweets and Reddit postings.  When they realized that they pushed a version that they could not validate, they panicked and start spewing their FUD to the masses.  Was it malware, does it even matter, it was not an official release of Phoenix miner.  So what are the takeaways?

1. Do not trust any software you get thru Nicehash.  Clearly they have no documented process or procedures to properly vet updates to miners.  This includes their own developed software.
2. Consider the source when getting information from anyone.  Ask yourself, 'What if any benefit could the source get from this information they are spreading?'   In NH case a few things.
    a. Legal cover in case it was actually malware, although their latest TOS should protect them,  becauses says we use their software are our own peril.
    b. Promote their own in house miner.  Which maybe open source now, but who knows 6 months from now, it could be close source and collect a fee from users.
    c. Eliminate a competitor so there are few options.  From what I gather Nicehash and independent developers treat each other as 'necessary evil partners'.

3. Where ever and when ever possible don't use their windows app, as you have no idea where and if they vet any thing pushed to your desktop. That goes for any publisher of software.  All it takes is one bad apple and your
    information is on the darkweb.  

JimS2321

The one thing that stands out to me from this whole drama is how the Phoenix Miner Dev team responded to the accusations by Nice Hash. Phoenix handled it like a proper team should, professionally and respectfully. What NiceHash did all of yesterday was just downright disgusting to see. I agree with others in this thread; I will be uninstalling NiceHash from all of my machines and never recommending their software in the future. There is just too much shady stuff going on with that company for me to ever trust them again.

agree... stop hating, continue mining - this is the thing, we are "in here"...

So - is there A BIG SECURITY PROBLEM, if i downloaded last version 5.5c right after they released? It was lot of weeks ago...
I think many of us did it and used it normally.
And only few ppl get faked versions with virus from spam-users (aka 5.5d etc) - so thats THEIR problem...

Why should i stop using 5.5c?

This is the one area that really shits me and brings down the whole crypto scene - childish behaviour. Oh and the hysterical panic people suffer at the slightest sign of trouble.

@PhoenixMiner keep up the good work my friend. You've handled the situation extremely well. Haters gonna hate.

I see that Matjaž "djeZo" wants to bring his/their failed action against Phoenix into personal FUD against me, I've edited my post for clarification purposes and to defend my stance.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56509020

Totally agree with you. I'm a newbie in mining, and as such I started by using NiceHash. I stopped a month ago because of all the downtimes and 'maintenances' and tried most other miners and several pools to see what worked best for me.

I don't know if PhoenixMiner is legit or not, but the way this NiceHash guy is behaving, acting, talking is... I don't even know how to classify him. And apparently he was jailed once for I don't know how many years, I wouldn't even have known about this matter if they didn't start this 'fight' against PhoenixMiner. The one conclusion I take from all this drama: stay away from NiceHash and never touch it again. I just uninstalled their software from my pc. It doesn't matter if he's legit concerned about PhoenixMiner or if he's doing it with malice, but it has backfired terribly at least to me.

And no, I'm not part of some kind of conspiracy against NiceHash organized by minerstat, I'm just a random guy mining with a shitty card lol.

I'm glad you are okay, make sure you clear any suspicion regarding what is going on with the next releases.

Agreed, to add on what you say djeZo already confirmed that they used the legit link and therefor no fake version has been pushed. Although Nicehash has not explained why in the press release they mention different location:


It is maybe an error of communication only, but I think this needs to be clarified

Do we have any hashes of the purported fake versions they pushed before they realised something was wrong? I'm not saying they did, or didn't, but I have auto-updates disabled on my mining rig and haven't updated in a month, and on my PC I use Excavator because it has no fee and I have an nVidia card while my rig is all AMD cards. So I went ahead and checked my PhoenixMiner version and all the hashes checked out. What exactly was the malware version?