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Quote from: un_rank on December 12, 2024, 01:18:49 PM

Quote from: BABY SHOES on December 12, 2024, 06:56:15 AM

Maybe City could be eliminated in this phase... The next opponent with PSG is quite tough actually.

That will be really bad for City and will affect their performance for the rest of the season. Dropping out in the first stage of the UCL will surely have some psychological effect which will trump any effect of playing less matches.

Getting knocked out in the first round is very likely for City seeing the conditions continue to decline... the psychological effect is certain in addition to the players' mentality will be down if they fall early.

Quote from: un_rank on December 12, 2024, 01:18:49 PM

22nd in the table after 6 matches is not ideal at all.

I don't expect City as the betting favorite team anymore now.

Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 12, 2024, 04:06:15 PM

I expect Liverpool to lose on of the trio this summer.

Including Salah and Trent Arnold whose contract is not yet clear, Liverpool could lose their important players.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 11, 2024, 04:00:34 PM

There are even rumors that Real Madrid are going to bid for Trent in the summer transfer window and the rumors make sense to me, Dani Carvajal is out on a long-term injury and due to his age there is no way he is going to return the same. Trent is just 26 years old and he is a perfect replacement for Carvajal, and we all know that if Real Madrid calls, it is impossible to say no.

Yes, Trent is a perfect replacement, one of the best attacking right backs in the world and one who fits the counterattacking style of Madrid, which is similar to that of Liverpool.

This will weigh in heavily into his contract negotiations. I expect Liverpool to lose on of the trio this summer.

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on December 12, 2024, 06:56:15 AM

Maybe City could be eliminated in this phase... The next opponent with PSG is quite tough actually.

That will be really bad for City and will affect their performance for the rest of the season. Dropping out in the first stage of the UCL will surely have some psychological effect which will trump any effect of playing less matches.

22nd in the table after 6 matches is not ideal at all.

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on December 12, 2024, 12:25:05 PM

In top 8, two small clubs appear there, Brest and LOSC, but with pressure from many big clubs behind and with very small differences like 1 or 2 points, I guess these small clubs will be out of top 8 after next two matches.

They have been brilliant for the last 6 matches, I do not see what should change in the last 2.

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on December 12, 2024, 06:56:15 AM

This is a bad phase for Manchester City after several seasons of good performances, yes they can only control the ball throughout the match but cannot be creative in creating goals anymore, especially in defense it is too bad I see at this time.

Maybe City could be eliminated in this phase... The next opponent with PSG is quite tough actually.

Manchester City and PSG have almost same total points but looking at their goals and conceded goals, they have difference in attacking. PSG have very bad attacking power with only 6 goals after 6 matches. Manchester City have better attacking power but they both have very bad defense and their defensive performance will decide winner in their next direct match.

In top 8, two small clubs appear there, Brest and LOSC, but with pressure from many big clubs behind and with very small differences like 1 or 2 points, I guess these small clubs will be out of top 8 after next two matches. There will be two big clubs enter top eight but with many of them now under top 8, it's not easy to say what giant will luckily get two least spots in top 8.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 12, 2024, 05:12:27 AM

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Manchester City lost again, how the odds on their favour during bet has risen.

Absolutely any club can beat Manchester City right now, it is like they just step out on the field to lose, no desire, careless on the ball, horrendous goalkeeping and terrible defense, there is a high chance they might be eliminated from the CL league phase (that's they'll finish below 24th position).

This is a bad phase for Manchester City after several seasons of good performances, yes they can only control the ball throughout the match but cannot be creative in creating goals anymore, especially in defense it is too bad I see at this time.

Maybe City could be eliminated in this phase... The next opponent with PSG is quite tough actually.

Quote from: Coyster on December 12, 2024, 05:12:27 AM

The Manchester derby is next for City, though United themselves are not in great form, but it should be an easy win for Ruben Amorim's men i think.

The Manchester derby is equally bad, I don't know which one will win, but usually the home team has the advantage, if City lose we won't be surprised anymore now.

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Quote from: Ambatman on December 11, 2024, 05:54:20 PM

Manchester City lost again, how the odds on their favour during bet has risen.

Absolutely any club can beat Manchester City right now, it is like they just step out on the field to lose, no desire, careless on the ball, horrendous goalkeeping and terrible defense, there is a high chance they might be eliminated from the CL league phase (that's they'll finish below 24th position).

The Manchester derby is next for City, though United themselves are not in great form, but it should be an easy win for Ruben Amorim's men i think.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 11, 2024, 04:00:34 PM

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Trent will want to negotiate a good offer with his age and so will Van Dijk. They also have FFP to contend with so are in a tight spot.

There are even rumors that Real Madrid are going to bid for Trent in the summer transfer window and the rumors make sense to me, Dani Carvajal is out on a long-term injury and due to his age there is no way he is going to return the same. Trent is just 26 years old and he is a perfect replacement for Carvajal, and we all know that if Real Madrid calls, it is impossible to say no.

I have been hoping for a replacement for Carvajal for a while now
Though he's remarkable
Age doesn't really care about those. It won't be easy I hope Trent can fill his shoes.
Young players filling our first eleven is an encouragement for the future.

No not related
Manchester City lost again, how the odds on their favour during bet has risen.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 11, 2024, 01:12:32 PM

Trent will want to negotiate a good offer with his age and so will Van Dijk. They also have FFP to contend with so are in a tight spot.

There are even rumors that Real Madrid are going to bid for Trent in the summer transfer window and the rumors make sense to me, Dani Carvajal is out on a long-term injury and due to his age there is no way he is going to return the same. Trent is just 26 years old and he is a perfect replacement for Carvajal, and we all know that if Real Madrid calls, it is impossible to say no.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 11, 2024, 10:04:07 AM

i think there are also a couple of players out of contract at the end of this season, IIRC, Van Djik is one of those players. It is left for the club to sort out these issues, but even if they lose players at the end of this season, it'll only be a few, and they will not have to buy too many players to fix those gaps.

They have Van Dijk and Trent with contracts to be settled and it puts them in a tight spot. Mo Salah will be expecting similar contract offer to the one he is on which is about to run out. If he does get the contract offer he wants, Trent will want to negotiate a good offer with his age and so will Van Dijk. They also have FFP to contend with so are in a tight spot.

Quote from: Coyster on December 11, 2024, 10:04:07 AM

It was not a great performance from them, but that's the thing about a team in form, they don't have to be at their best to win games.

They have mastered the art of controlling games when they go ahead. Even when it's not pretty, they find a way to win.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 11, 2024, 10:04:07 AM

I'm not sure i will put it like that, but i get what you mean. This could be Mo Salah's last season as a Liverpool player, because the club is yet to give him a new contract, i think there are also a couple of players out of contract at the end of this season, IIRC, Van Djik is one of those players. It is left for the club to sort out these issues, but even if they lose players at the end of this season, it'll only be a few, and they will not have to buy too many players to fix those gaps.

I meant about not only Salah but other players like Van Dijk, Becker who are older and have more injuries, less appearances and worse performances for Liverpool. Liverpool win and lose as a team, not only with a single player like Salah and when several old players have decreasing performances, Liverpool will have problems next seasons.

About Salah, when I wrote that post and now, there is difference as according to latest rumor, it seems Salah already agreed with a contract offer from Liverpool and he will sign it to stay with them.

A new deal from Liverpool possibly gets an agreement from Salah.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on December 10, 2024, 09:21:44 AM

Slot can enjoy very last chances to win titles with these players and has to plan to replace them as soon as possible.

I'm not sure i will put it like that, but i get what you mean. This could be Mo Salah's last season as a Liverpool player, because the club is yet to give him a new contract, i think there are also a couple of players out of contract at the end of this season, IIRC, Van Dijk is one of those players. It is left for the club to sort out these issues, but even if they lose players at the end of this season, it'll only be a few, and they will not have to buy too many players to fix those gaps.

Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 10, 2024, 04:06:04 PM

Liverpool make it 6 out of 6 in the champions league, fair to say they have recovered from the slip against Newcastle.

It was not a great performance from them, but that's the thing about a team in form, they don't have to be at their best to win games.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 09, 2024, 03:35:22 PM

Lol. You well know that's not possible.

Well, Leicester have performed the biggest miracle of the modern EPL era, this will be far less of a surprise, but is still very unlikely.

Liverpool make it 6 out of 6 in the champions league, fair to say they have recovered from the slip against Newcastle.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 09, 2024, 03:35:22 PM

That's correct, i am not trying to downplay what Arne Slot has done thus far, he has been brilliant, but we have to admit that he inherited a very strong and stable team from his predecessor Jurgen Klopp, a team that has competed with City for the title a couple of times.

Klopp did a lot of great things for Liverpool but when he announced to leave the club last season, they were competing for many titles. At the end, they failed to win Premier League title, no Champions League, and Klopp got a lot of critics by his early announcement than waiting for a season ending to do that.

Additionally, his squad were not perfect and there are weaknesses that cost Liverpool and Klopp in some seasons. It's hard to say that Klopp fixed those issues in his last season with Liverpool, and many star players have played for Liverpool in many years and they are counting down very last seasons with best performances. Things are happening with Manchester City now can occur with Liverpool in a next season because these star players have nearly same ages. Slot can enjoy very last chances to win titles with these players and has to plan to replace them as soon as possible.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on December 08, 2024, 05:14:11 PM

Well, Slot might be new to the league but not new to the game and his players are very much not new to the league. He did his homework and it’s been paying off.

That's correct, i am not trying to downplay what Arne Slot has done thus far, he has been brilliant, but we have to admit that he inherited a very strong and stable team from his predecessor Jurgen Klopp, a team that has competed with City for the title a couple of times.

Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 08, 2024, 03:59:48 PM

It will be an ironic scene if Leicester finishes above United.

Lol. You well know that's not possible.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 08, 2024, 08:04:32 AM

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Do you consider Chelsea to be title challengers yet?

I don't consider Chelsea as a title challenger if their competitor is not Liverpool. I respect Liverpool with their impressive performances so far but with lack of experience of their new head coach, I feel this factor opens opportunities for other clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal.

You sound so much an Arsenal fan right now. Don’t want to insinuate that but you do actually.
You know Arsenal fans at the moment don’t want Liverpool having that league trophy, not for the sake that they aren’t good enough for it or are not doing enough to be title contenders, the problem is, the coach Slot is new to the league and should start from somewhere at the Europa position.

Well, Slot might be new to the league but not new to the game and his players are very much not new to the league. He did his homework and it’s been paying off. With the point gap Liverpool have accumulated over the past few weeks, any team really is having to contend with them.

I see what Chelsea is doing, I like it but, there hope is in the failures of Liverpool to win some of those important fixtures they’ve got forth coming.

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It was a remarkable one point won by Leicester in the dying minutes of the match. RVN has been remarkable since taking over, a part of me felt he would have been good enough to take the managerial role at United permanently. He now has to maintain the level of play and keep Leicester in the premier league next season, some bigger offers may be coming by then.

It will be an ironic scene if Leicester finishes above United.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on December 08, 2024, 04:02:55 AM

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Manchester City and Pep Guardiola have big troubles but they have a long season to fix their issues and to compete with Liverpool. Their problems are from player injuries, tactics and maybe more like lack of ambition and motivation to fight for more titles after winning many titles recent years.

They are struggling to fix these issues and it is hard for them, but I won't say they will not be able to do this. In addition, their competitors can have crisis in rest months of season, perhaps several weeks and matches are enough for Manchester City to take advantage.

Indeed, I cannot rule out the possibility that Manchester City can improve throughout this season. Injury problems have clearly affected the performance and results of some matches - but of course they are a team that can improve due to the depth of the squad and the ability of the coach. But I think this is not a good season for Manchester City and they should be prepared to fail to defend their title.

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Liverpool are playing impressively but they will have to be careful. Manchester City won't give up too early and two other competitors Chelsea and Arsenal are ambitious to win Premier League title. With Arsenal, it will be a first title after about twenty years, and with Chelsea it will be a start of new era with a new coach and many young players.

Manchester City is basically not to be underestimated - but I'm very optimistic about Liverpool. It's been a fantastic season for Arne Slot and he really needs to maintain his team's performance until the end of the season. I don't doubt Liverpool at all because I really hope they can stop Manchester City's dominance even if just this once.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 08, 2024, 12:19:28 PM

It is half-time and they are currently losing 2-1 to Spurs, but i think Chelsea are title contenders this season, if you are going to put Arsenal up there as title contenders, then i am afraid you have to add Chelsea, because they have been as good as Arsenal, prolly even better.

The question around Chelsea being contenders is more about their performance in recent years than this season. Arsenal have been runners up 2 years in a row, Liverpool have been up there for the past 6 or 7 seasons and Man City are well, Man City, before the season starts, these are the title contenders.

Chelsea are trying to break into that conversation and have to do much more than the rest.

Quote from: Coyster on December 08, 2024, 12:19:28 PM

That being said, we might not have "title contenders" this season, it is looking like we are gonna have a runaway champion in Liverpool, whilst other top teams battle for top 4.

It's turning out to be a dream weekend for Liverpool. Without playing they expected their lead to be cut by much, but they are looking to stay at least 5 points clear of everyone.
Potential runaway champions.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 08, 2024, 05:44:28 AM

Do you consider Chelsea to be title challengers yet?

It is half-time and they are currently losing 2-1 to Spurs, but i think Chelsea are title contenders this season, if you are going to put Arsenal up there as title contenders, then i am afraid you have to add Chelsea, because they have been as good as Arsenal, prolly even better. That being said, we might not have "title contenders" this season, it is looking like we are gonna have a runaway champion in Liverpool, whilst other top teams battle for top 4.

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Quote from: tranthidung on December 08, 2024, 08:04:32 AM

Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 08, 2024, 05:44:28 AM

Do you consider Chelsea to be title challengers yet?

I don't consider Chelsea as a title challenger if their competitor is not Liverpool. I respect Liverpool with their impressive performances so far but with lack of experience of their new head coach, I feel this factor opens opportunities for other clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal.

Chelsea and Arsenal would have had more difficulties in title competition of the leading club is Manchester City, not Liverpool. Manchester City are too experienced with title race in the last decade, and it causes big challenge for all of their competitors. Liverpool are strong now, but with their limited experience especially from their head coach, there are some big risk factors in Liverpool.

Chelsea is not among the Title Challengers yet and the f I will say it is Liverpool who is very good from the beginning of the season till now and Arsenal but their performance is not stable and it is waving. But if they are focus they can join the final game. Even though Liverpool head coach is not doing well in the team, the players are maintaining the integrity to win the game so they are on the pipeline. But for Manchester City and Manchester United, I don't think they will join the title challenge. Manchester City coach is due to be changed and we all thought the new coach of Manchester United would do something new but things are remain the same.
Arsenal can't be used to compare Chelsea for now because Arsenal is credibly doing well though they have lapses.

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