Topic: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy - page 13. (Read 4766 times)

^  Try using this:  https://upswingpoker.com/convert/

It should work for ACR hand histories.

I did actually download it out of frustration the other day. So far it appears to be a much more intuitive program. Still doesn't break down my tournaments based on buy-in and what not. I haven't played around with it much yet, but I think it will be the one I pay to use.
I'm flopping around on trying it out, I believe it's actually possible to get HM3 free if I do give it a go, have to deposit and generate 100$ in rake to get HM3 free through their link. I'm going to read up on it a little more first to be sure. No HUD's is a pretty good idea to draw in the straight reg/casual. Couldn't hurt me, lol.

So I have hands... straight from my ACR hand history, I am apparently to stupid to figure out how to paste it into a converter so I'll just give it to you straight. I'm going to remove names, and that's about it. I'm going to post it without the end result and will save those to post after a day or so.

Let me know what you think of this format. I'm open to posting them however.

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Going over these most were favorable. I just wanted to grab them quick as I wanted to go back over them and see if they could have been played better when the opportunity presented itself. Not going to lie it was also nice to finally get out of the slump that it felt like I was in and get there or hold a few times. Funny note I can't remember which of these hands it was but one of the bigger ones. Deeper in the tournament one of the Villains I beat at showdown thought he bluffed me off something as I bet RFI'd pre flop, cbet the flop then check folded the river. I had A high, and they had K high on a Q high board. I didn't have the hear to tell them I had nothing at all, lol. They actually showed instead of mucking so I felt like they were trying to poke a little.

Hand 1 this is an all-in before the river so I'm showing the result. - Level 7 (75.00/150.00) 18$ ante per player
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 144.00
Villain 1 calls 150.00    [UTG-1]                             chips - 4982
Dealt to Hero [8s Js]  [CO] raises to 435.00              chips - 4738
Villain-2 calls 360.00 [SB]                                     chips - 15583
Villain-1 calls 285.00
                                                 *** FLOP *** [Jc 5c 7h]
Main pot 1599.00
Checks to me
Hero bets 685.00
Villain-2 folds
Villain-1 calls 685.00
                                           *** TURN *** [Jc 5c 7h] [2d]
Main pot 2969.00
Villain-1 checks
Hero bets 795.00
Villain-1 raises 3844.00 to 3844.00 and is all-in
Hero calls 2805.00 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (244.00) returned to Villain-1
                                     *** RIVER *** [Jc 5c 7h 2d] [6s]
Main pot 10169.00
                                   *** SHOW DOWN ***
Villain-1 shows [3d 5d] (a pair of Fives [5d 5c Jc 7h 6s])
Hero shows [8s Js] (a pair of Jacks [Js Jc 8s 7h 6s]) collected 10169.00 from main pot

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                                        Level 17 (500.00/1000.00) 125 Ante
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Hero [Jc 7c]

Villain raises 2000.00 to 2000.00 [CO]  chips - 32575

Hero [Jc 7c] calls 1000.00 [BB]   chips - 23860
                                                                          *** FLOP *** [8s 9s Jd]
Main pot 5375.00
Hero bets 2975.00
Villain calls 2975.00
                                                                     *** TURN *** [8s 9s Jd] [7s]
Main pot 11325.00
Hero bets 2355.00
Villain calls 2355.00
                                                                *** RIVER *** [8s 9s Jd 7s] [Qs]
Main pot 16035.00
[Hero] checks

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*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 400.00
Hero [Kd Kh]    [UTG]          raises 985.00 to 985.00                     Chips - 22834
Folds to BB who puts in the call                                                        Chips - 17153
                                                     *** FLOP *** [Jc 4s 3c]
Main pot 2570.00
Villain bets 1285.00
Hero calls 1285.00
                                                    *** TURN *** [Jc 4s 3c] [Ac]
Main pot 5140.00
Villain checks
Hero bets 1985.00

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                                                           Level 12 (200.00/400.00)     ante 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Level 14 (250.00/500.00) ante of 60

Hero [UTG] [Js Kd] raises 1215.00 to 1215.00   chips - 10854
Villain [SB] calls 965.00                                    chips - 14989
                                                      *** FLOP *** [8c 9c Jd]
Main pot 3470.00
Villain checks
Hero bets 1785.00
Villain calls 1785.00
                                                     *** TURN *** [8c 9c Jd] [2s]
Main pot 7040.00
Villain checks
Hero bets 1955.00
Villain  calls 1955.00
                                                     *** RIVER *** [8c 9c Jd 2s] [5d]
Villain checks

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                                                  Level 14 (250.00/500.00) ante 60
Main pot 900.00
Folds to me in the button
Hero [BTN] [Ks Ah] raises 2085.00 to 2085.00                               Chips -33048
Villain-1 [SB] calls 1685.00                                                           Chips - 3625
Villain-2 [BB] raises 17778.00 to 18578.00 and is all-in                   Chips - 18678
Hero calls 16493.00
Villain-1  calls 1440.00 and is all-in
                                                                          *** FLOP *** [5c 5s Kc]
Main pot 11475.00
Side pot(1) 30106.00
                                                                 *** TURN *** [5c 5s Kc] [9h]
Main pot 11475.00
Side pot(1) 30106.00
                                                               *** RIVER *** [5c 5s Kc 9h] [2c]
Main pot 11475.00
Side pot(1) 30106.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Main pot 11475.00
Side pot(1) 30106.00
Hero shows [Ks Ah] (two pair, Kings and Fives [Ks Kc 5s 5c Ah])
Villain-1 [SB] shows [2h Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fives [Kh Kc 5s 5c 9h])
Villain-2 [BB] shows [As Js] (a pair of Fives [5s 5c As Kc Js])

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Level 15 - (300.00/600.00) ante 75


Hero [LJ] [Jd Ks] raises 1535.00 to 1535.00                           chips - 14394
Villain-1 [BTN] [ calls 1535.00                                               chips -28698
Villain-2 [BB] 935.00                                                             chips - 9450
                                                                   *** FLOP *** [Kh 6s Jc]
Main pot 5580.00
Villain-2 checks
Herochecks
Villain-1 bets 4185.00
Villain-2 folds
Hero raises 12784.00 to 12784.00 and is all-in
Villain-1 calls 8599.00
                                                              *** TURN *** [Kh 6s Jc] [7h]
Main pot 31148.00
                                                        *** RIVER *** [Kh 6s Jc 7h]
Main pot 31148.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Main pot 31148.00
Hero shows [Jd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Jacks [Ks Kh Jd Jc Td])
Villain-1 shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Kings [Kh Kd Ah Jc Td])

Patience is very much needed, in poker, you need to think of the possibilities that your enemy will release their card, it is needed to be patient and do not release your ace immediately, do some bluff that make your enemy bite that thing and then release your card, it is the matter of fast hand and fast mind strategy , poker may be so hard too, you need to have a good strategy and poker face if needed.

^  Is Stars still holding on to FTP's software without any intention of using it?  Such a waste imo.

Anyway has anybody tried Phil Galfonds poker site?  No huds allowed.  Should better for the casual players.

been there. villain snap calling that blank turn, makes one wonder if they're trapping you with a flopped monster. tough hand, i'd have my WTF face on after seeing AdQd as well.


it's atrocious. WPN software is still like a decade behind pokerstars and full tilt.


it looks like HM3 supports WPN/ACR. same prices as poker tracker with a 15-day free trial. they accept bitcoin too. https://www.holdemmanager.com/hm3/

Well sadly it went off the rails lol. I jammed the turn as I was still sure he missed it, or he fooled me and had a set or some overpair he was really willing to slowplay. Thinking it over I think I was annoyed at the missed opportunity for a 3-bet raise on the flop. If nothing else I was thinking this would elicit a fold and be seen as protecting my equity or realizing value form a 3, considering I was the BB and called a min should have been believable.

Villain snap calls, so I figure I'm boned, yes and no
River is a brick 9 of [I sure don't care as it's not a club lol] he shows AQ of diamonds. Good thing I'm at home as I bring out my WTF face.
In retrospect I would have liked to bet the turn at maybe a 6-9BB and then jam the river - either as a bluff or if I got there. This is my normal line and I feel it was a poro line to take - I would have felt the same if I had won the hand... I think.

In this particular hand I believe I gave my opponent to much credit for their gameplay and got burned because of it.
I have to play around with it as I feel like it has only imported my low stakes cash game hands I played. I thought it had brought in more but I was looking and couldn't find any of them. I'm going to spend some time going through their support/forum to figure it out. I'm still on the trial but that shouldn't be affecting the minimal use features to get used to it; I also don't want to buy it if I'm not sure I will get what I want out of it. I did enter a micro tournament to see but it didn't import yet either. It did find ACR and tie into the account when I registered, I was also able to bring up the HUD and hand reviewer the couple times I opened it up during play. It was just so slow and laggy because of my PC, that I haven't run it live lately. I will spend some time thisweekend getting to know it better and get back to you if I sort it out.
I can't believe how difficult to navigate the ACR hand histories are. I figured if I had hand numbers I would be able to search based on that but no luck, so I immediately go through and copy/paste it to notepad right after the hand is complete. I did grab 3 or 4 the other night I'm going to play around with a few hand converters and see if I can bring them in here easily, or I'll just type them out.

Edit: I did figure out where my tournament stats where but it's spotty at best. It doesn't have any of my winning tournament stats there, it doesn't have the buy-in info. It has chips won stats and positional stats, RFI and VPIP, among others.
I think I'm going to try another software before buying into this one as it's not really doing anything for me ATM.

so what happened with the 5c6c hand?

did you say you're using poker tracker? pt4? are you finding you're consistently getting all your hand history imported? i don't see support for WPN listed.

i was trying to go through my hand history manually yesterday and found that loads of big hands were missing from the file. i dunno what's happening exactly but ACR isn't consistently saving them. i'm tempted to try out pt4 if it can manage to save all my hand history....

Thanks I posted there, I might be able to make it work.
I used to really enjoy these players, but I gues I'm just on the other side of the variance fence these days, and you know what. It's not that fun lol. Just another thing for me to think about, and decide how many bullets I'm willing to fire into a tourney to deal with it.

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My read so far is he only comes in with his strong hands. Generally he C-bets, and others have folded to it so I figured he might continue swinging regardless of what he has; we've only been playing for a little while and I don't recognize them from other tournaments. He's seen me go to showdown on a few occasions with strong holdings.
Here is roughly what I figured his range to be
I'm putting them on something like an Ax s, maybe ATo+. I typed this up earlier before changing the theme of the hand analysis - I did think he could have 88+ kind of hands he's fairly tight with what he plays pre from what I could tell. I personally felt he missed the board entirely on the flop and was looking to actually check raise him if he brought in a small c-bet.

Spoiler I feel I played this hand poorly regardless of the outcome. I'll post the finishing tomorrow in case anyone else wants to weigh in before the results are revealed.

some other bitcointalk members are looking to set up a private game on sportsbet.io. it'll probably take place on sunday, could develop into a regular game: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-poker-night-sportsbet-private-game-exclusively-for-forum-members-5217547

i'll have to play via VPN since they don't accept USA players, but it should be doable since they allow anonymous accounts. feel free to join in, we're still trying to fill up a table or 2.


i'm ambivalent about it. i'm often annoyed when i bet into those people because i like to see flops. they turn regular tourneys into turbos. at the same time, they are the usual source of my double ups in the early/mid stages of a tourney when my range is still fairly tight.


what's your read on his preflop range? what are the odds he flopped a boat?

in most cases, i would not check down that flop. i like a post flop semi bluff here to put the pot odds in our favor. at these stacks, i would play it strong and make him pay for the turn and river.

as played, it depends on your read on the turn. do you think he connected with this board? i might prefer check-calling a small bet at this point and seeing if we connect on the river, although i'm still kinda tempted to bet the OESD and flush draw to see if we can get him to fold.

i think villain will have missed the board completely lots of times here which is why i prefer betting the flop. if he calls that bet, that narrows down his range. if he raises, you're still drawing to a monster with good pot odds.

That sucks, at least there is no rush I've heard of a few other newer/smaller sites offering the homegame feature but I doubt they accept BTC.

Well not to fall into the gamblers fallacy, but damn. I have to start getting there or winning a few of these tough spots. I had a funny first 6 hands last night when I took a shot.
AA first hand, in BB - folds around to me
KK when I'm button - RFI 2.2 BB - Folds through no action
QQ - UTG - RFI 2.2 BB - BTN caller and BB Jams. They just sat down a hand or 2 ago, and folded to a 3 bet. I take my time and think on what BTN may have, didn't think anything to strong without the 3-bet, and BB could be anything but likely 99+ maybe Ax s, ATo + or some other suited broadways. I call, BTN folds they show AKo and hit an A on the river.

Now here's the fun part on this next hand I'm down to less than 1/4 starting stack (11BB) and looks down at K7s - Not ideal but with 2 people flatting in I elect to Jam. Wouldn't you know it 1 caller, unfortunately he was shorter than I was at about 3BB, Flop a set, and turn quad K's.    Worst timing ever for such an epic hand, but it did help me to survive a while longer.
Despite losing in a few of those spots, I feel like I made good decisions I got into a few spots where I played QQ, and AK, against people - the math said I couldn't fold, but more importantly the game feel made it feel right. They were flips in mid stages that went my way. Part of the game, but it does suck how often, people are Jam or Fold, with 25+ BB.

The hurt was real when I took AKs against AKo, and they hit 4 to a flush on the turn.

I forgot to bring the exact hand history I wrote down, but I have a good one here to share. This was a bluff - that I think worked as I manually chose bet sizing. To start they had maybe 60BB, and I was around 50BB

I open mid position at the bottom of my range early in the tournament 23 of hearts for an RFI 2.4 BB
1 caller Late position
[Flop] 9s 4h kd - I check, Villain checks
[turn] 7c - I lead out with a bet of 3.6BB villain calls
[River] 6d - I then size up my bet to ~11BB - Villain goes into the tank. I chose this line figuring if they had an Ax type hand they missed, not betting the Flop led me to bet turn to probe for a Kx type hand they were slow playing. The flat call leads me to believe they may have hit a 9X hand or something similar and are worried. They fold.

This guy was chatty and needed to know what I had lol. He elects to tell me he put me on JJ, and folded his TT. Even gave me the explanation that he figured I put him on Kx until the turn. I decide to throw him a bone and say only that I did not have JJ.


Edit: restructured for opinions and What would you do?
I have around 16BB, BTN around 21BB
I am BB with 5c6c
Folds to BTN
BTN RFI for min raise
SB folds
I call
[POT] 5.5BB

Flop - 3s,3c,4c

Checks through the flop
Turn is 8 diamonds maybe

Action to me - feel free to weigh in on what you would have done to this point and what you would do next. I will update with What happened after people have had a chance.

this is the same as playing on other kinds of gambling or online gambling for example .

if we keep playing with the same bet and the same payout the system will soon catch us and deploy red strakes on us resulting for us to get busted but if we keep on changing our setting its hard for them to catch us because they will get confuse so we can increase our chances of winning .

Staying humble and being calm works when you are playing stakes on the table. Dont play a single style game and keep variations. I prefer to play according to my hand and i dont shy away to fold at the starting when I am not sure about my hand..you can bluff but do know the players on the table with you. If you bluff too much or too less , others can learn your style and try to corner you.

annoyingly, ACR never got back to me about setting up a private game. i wish they had a "home game" type feature like pokerstars. it would make things a lot easier.


based on pot size or BB size? do you not fluctuate bet sizes much based on your position, eg UTG vs OTB?


too many factors (stack sizes, villain playing styles, ITM considerations) to settle on any "hard and fast" strategies. you've always gotta be in flux from tight/loose and passive/aggressive, and always be learning too. otherwise you'll end up no better than mediocre.

i've been meaning to share some hands as well, but mainly only been playing blitz ring games so far. tournament hand review is way more interesting.

So I had an interesting week; not winning wise but that's alright I only got into 2 tourneys I think. I did find a lot of time to do some theory study and realized something about my strategy. I had essentially been applying a cash games strategy to my tournaments; which isn't inherently wrong but was definitely opening me up to a lot of bad spots and missed opportunities.
There were hands I was laying down in places that I could have played, and also some insights into facing RFI's where I now have a better understanding of their range and why they may be doing things.

One big thing I'm trying to shift is in my sizing up of opponents, I feel I need to give them more credit for having it. This doesn't necessarily get me away from a lot of the flips I should be getting involved in. It does however prevent me from chipping down in spots where I could let it go, and leaving me in a rough spot down the road.

One thing I'm still having trouble narrowing down, and I'm not sure if it's a problem or this is a results oriented thing. Bet sizing post flop - Pre flop I RFI from 2.15-2.5X. Post Flop I tend to try and tie it to a % of the pot - say 30-45%, then looking to either the same or to a 50-60% on the turn, I mix it up(not hand strength dependent). I will play my bluffs the same as I play my strong hands - middling if I haven't decided to try and bluff based on villain position and board texture is generally a check/call or check fold.

I think I was also falling into an old trap I create for myself. Seeing there as being a proper way to play OOP. Mostly with the "donk" lead. Sometimes you just have the hand or a decent opportunity for a bluff to balance the play out. I've come around on this and think it's a decent play, especially if when you have it your hand could suffer in strength from a turn or river card.

I'm going to try importing my database again today to see if the hands I've been tagging show up and then I'll bring hand reviews into the thread. Still having a great time making decisions with hands like JJ, QQ pre but I've decided tournament wise anyways it sort of depends on stack sizing and my tournament life, it's about as simple as I can make it for myself but something I'll need to keep weighing as time goes on.

probably so. QQ is a slightly tougher fold there because of the possibility that he's holding AQ (or maybe even KQs). i am also calling that all day with KK regardless of the player.

laying down monster pocket pairs pre-flop is always tough and counter-intuitive.

Sorry I could see how that is confusing. I might have it wrong but I consider min-raising and small betsizing to be a limping strategy. I can avoid referring to it in that way if it is confusing... or just plain wrong in the terminology. This is really the only time I've had people to talk poker with so I'm bound to get things wrong from time to time 

Yup pf is preflop.  Anyway you lost me at the rest of your post.  Lol.  You said at the hand history the villain minraised, now he limped pf?

Thanks as I think you nailed it. I was feeling like I overvalued my J's based on the cards I had been dealt in the last half hour and was creating my own ICM pressure. For whatever reason I played this hand as if I had ~10BB or less, in regards to the call.

I am ashamed to say I didn't give his jamming range as much thought as I should have. I didn't even get to the time bank, so about 30 seconds of consideration, which at most I could have given 90. In the same way I played my call as if I had ~10BB I believe I projected that on him. HEre is what I did put him on in that rather snap decision

AX suited, 99+, and A10+ off suite. I did think there were possibly some mid range suited connectors and/or gappers. I know this as that's what I was most likely expecting hoping to see.

I have to play around with poker tracker so I can understand what it's telling me about my hands and also now that most are there I can try and look back over a few to get a better feel. I personally feel I have been overvaluing a lot of the bottom of my ranges in spots. Some flips that I lose are just that, and I believe I should keep playing them, but in general I think I'm calling a bit heavy. Not always but enough that it's a noticeable leak. There is also a mental aspect to the game that I believe is leading me down that path, as noted above with the pressure I create for myself.

While thinking this one over, I had to ask what better pocket pair would I have still found myself in this situation. I would have called KK all day long, I can't decide on QQ though. In trying to learn from this I think it's a fold; I just don't know if I could lay it down and think it has to be player specific - so in this case lay it down for the same reason as JJ.

depends how frustrated i was by the cold cards.

his style sounds too tight to be calling given those stacks. what's his expected range? you think he's jamming TT or lower, AJ or lower? unless he's been loose with all-ins, you're probably either dominated or looking at a flip. i think we can afford to wait for a better spot.

So I believe all my hands and tournaments from the last week showed up yesterday. Still getting used to this poker tracker thing. I will likely be able to bring some more hands to this thread for some fun time analysis of my failures... and hopefully a few successes. I will try and balance them out to keep an accurate picture of where my gameplay is at. This week in general has been a bit shit in terms of Beats and flips just not going my way. I was also trying to get away from having to fire multiple bullets into tournaments but my overall strategy and ranges just doesn't allow me to get away from a lot of those spots at times. When your beat you are beat.

This week wasn't without it's entertainment though. Now I really don't have an issue with Americans, I try and avoid generalizations as best I can, but a shit person is a shit person and I will play the troll game when I can if provoked. So here's my poker table talk time, and a hilarious outcome.

Early in the game on break I see the chat lights up with Canada sucks, being the only Canadian at the table I shrug and decide to use my 3 minutes for fun. So I apologize for not speaking "pew pew pew". Buddy launches into a hilarious tirade of political, crap homophobic ranting. It's always easy to have a response against someone like this. My favorite was his hypothetical of "Say Iran bombs your country" I go for the literal and just type it back... he doesn't get it. So game fires up again, and weirdly enough at every table change he is moved with me, not only to the table but he keep his position to my right... annoying to say the least. About an hour after I stopped responding in that break, in UTG I see JJ sweet as I'm a well shy of average stack and well off the money, as I've been card dead for about a half hour.

Do my 2.5X raise, 1 caller on the button, then BB(Mouthpiece) Jams. This is about 17 or 18 BB raise, JJ isn't going anywhere as he could really have anything... I honestly didn't take the chat into account.  Call him down and wouldn't you know it my friends AA are what he's holding.
His overall play hasn't been splashy or anything but I have seen him throw out a few raises to protect his Blinds and what not. I chalk it up to again just being coolered and somethign I couldn't get away from. He then tosses out a parting comment along the lines of shitty Canadian player or something. Made me laugh as if he had masterfully trapped me with some shit holding or something.

Curious if others would have called that Jam. Stack sizes for me and the mouthpiece were around 20 BB, he had me covered by about 200$ 1/2 a BB at this point I believe. BTN had us both covered by a wide margin. There were about 3 rounds of late Reg available but at that point you are just buying in to gamble a flip.

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Side note on game types. I tried one out last night and it honestly felt like drinking a pot of coffee, and being injected with Adrenaline. I could not feel calm for the life of me. 6 max turbo. Blinds increase every 5 min, you are constantly chipping down as it's 6 max, even worse when the tables only have 4 people at times. The weirdest part was hand strength felt like an illusion, people were jamming anything and everything likely feeling the same pressure I was. I did finish 16th I think for a little over min cash, but I don't know that I will sit down to this table again. Maybe if I catch it from the start, but even joining after 5 levels had me feeling uneasy fast. Maybe I'm just a woos lol