Topic: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy - page 14. (Read 4766 times)

Thanks for playing lol. So I did forget to mention the ante would be equivalent to 1 BB, and this is made up of a smaller ante from each player... I only found out a few months back it's common for a BB to pay the full ante at times.

I was fairly new to this table and 2 or 3 hands ago this guy got coolered he had QQ, and player to his right had KK. He was pissed, calling him out in Chat and stuff "Of Course the German wakes up with KK, WTF" I had a good laugh.

I'm guessing you meant preflop "pf" or is that post flop?? So the way it played out the villain was limping and really risked not getting the value from their premium hand... they had AA. I definitely didn't put them on a pocket pair of any significance with how passive they played the overall hand.

The point in the tourney was final 15 players I believe I was 8th or 9th at the time. I did finish in the money still, nothing big. I also had a little troll and said "Of course the American wakes up with Aces" couldn't resist. I was essentially crippled and made my stand with 9 10 of Diamonds and was called down by JQ suited and lost.

Without any solid reads and I assume the antes hasn't kicked in yet..?  I'd jam or fold pf but leaning towards a fold if there are no antes and if villain is on the tight side.  Lean towards jamming with antes.

As played, iffy spot.  He'd be playing perfectly vs you if you jam (folding worse, calling better).

Because of just one caught on bluff doesn't mean it has ruined your plan or gaming quality. It's better to sit on regular tables (not on fast forward or turbo) and play with players that have decent money cause more likely they'll play on long term (personally I think so from my experience). During bluff, the best thing to do is to manage when to show your cards (muck) and by this way decide what to show them: You had good cards and lost, you had bad cards but still follow the game (bluff).
But of course bluff is useless against good cards, gambling of poker in real life is a whole better experience cause it's easier to understand other's emotions, despite the fact that they may fake it, if you are great at it, you'll see fake emotions and use it for you.

Poker is classified as a game of skill and it is not difficult to see why, even if you do not control the cards you receive, you control what you do with them, this is no different than what happens in real life, you do not get to choose what happens to you by events outside of your control but you can control yourself and this is the reason why we see such huge differences between the outcomes of two different persons that begin their lives in similar conditions.

Yup, it's fun.    Go try it at Pokerstars.  And use Neteller.  You can make a deposit over there via BTC then to Stars.

Withdrawals back to BTC is gonna be a problem tho.  But in my case I'm the fish now...  I donate to the poker economy.  Lmao.

The BTC withdrawal went through fine, I just didn't realize they processed them Mon-Fri. It looks like they used the rate at the time I requested it so that was nice. The only annoying issue was that I had to use a legacy address, and it wasn't clearly stated but I had a wallet available so no big D.

I think we might be able to set something up one of the last weekends in February. Looks like I'll have a new job by then barring any pre-employment testing failures and I have those weekends off due to training. Love it.

Downloaded the trial of poker tracker to see if it's what I want to run with, but I definitely noticed my elderly PC struggle to run it and ACR... couldn't resist jumping into a tourney to test it out   So 2:30 am and  busted out in 15th for a 1 buy-in profit, fired 3 bullets  . I am dropping a hand below from sometime in play for discussion.
For whatever reason hands I thought I tagged didn't show up but I'll do a little research later on that, might be a trial version issue not sure. The tracker definitely froze up for a good hour mid session though as I couldn't toggle the HUD and it appeared to be stuck on hands long passed.
More disappointing purely for ego boost, is that it picked up tourneys from before and after my big win but left it out.

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Hero has 30ish BB in CO, Villain has 14ish BB in HJ, SB is short-stacked and BB is chip lead
Villain min raises pre
Hero CO with Ac 7c , calls
BTN folds - Small stack as well
SB folds
BB calls

Flop - 4 2 7 rainbow, 1 club
Checks to villain, they bet 1/4 pot about 1/4 of their stack.
Hero Jams all-in.
BB folds

I jam to put them in and isolate. My thought process here is that BB does have me covered but they floated in with odds and I am more than 60% of their stack, not a great point in the game to push it. With them not flexing with a donk lead I figured they were scared to lose chips to early position players with stronger ranges, even if they connected with this board. I have shown a wide range so it's hard to put me on or off anything. Villain isn't repping any strength with the min bet in and small C-bet compared to their stack size. I have fairly good pot odds especially given I have a back door flush draw and top pair top kicker based on the board. Villains stack is about 50% of mine and would put me in a strong position for the remainder of the tourney.

Let me know what you think happened in this spot, what you might have done differently. I will try and work on actually pulling hands in a forum format in the future or maybe even posting hands in a locked thread for ease of viewing. Open to suggestions.

Edit: Thought maybe I would add the hand that stood out to me the funniest of my early busts. I had AA, and an early position player Jams. I happily put in the call, they show A 10 offsuit, 4 to a straight 10 high and I bust out.

not the type of game i would ever play for nosebleed stakes but micro stakes sounds fun. too bad they don't have it on ACR, otherwise i'd give it a whirl. ACR only just managed to add fast-fold NLHE last year (which full tilt poker had in 2010-11). they are behind the times to say the least.

I used to play poker every day at Zynga, which is provided by Facebook. At that time around 2010 ... just like you I played it with my friends. I prefer playing with cards on the table. In a sense I rarely do all in when my card is good in the hand for example a pair of Ace. So I'm not the type of player who relies on bluffing.and I have never played with real money

Super high variance...  More so than PLO but I'm playing it at nano stakes for fun so I wouldn't know how people play it with money that would actually matter to them.  But from what I've seen, lots of limping pf which makes it the correct play due to the structure:  Everybody antes a small blind, with the button posting a bb.

If you don't have the skill in poker, winning can't be attainable. Sometimes the experts of this card game will give you winning chances but in the long process it's a very disappointing situation, when you're about to lose all your moves. Bad cards always depends on how you manage each and every pattern.

Just imagine that one time I started to play in a tournament with 10.000 people which takes as you know a lot of time. It was the first time that I managed to be in the last 20 people but didn't know that it would take almost 10 hours with all these breaks and stakes changes. Of course, when I was at the final table I couldn't focus because I had to go to work and was playing the final table when driving in the car. Luckily I could switch to my phone but anyways it cost me a few hands because I had to log out and log in again. For sure you know that these few hands were crucial because the stakes at the final tables are high. Don't mention that I couldn't focus properly and to watch other players.

I was lucky to start with poker in 2005 when all these poker rooms just opened online like Pokerstars, FullTilt or 888 and many others. They were easily available in Europe and every poker room offered no deposit bonus from 20 to even 250$, many times without any KYC or IP checks. You just needed to open an account with an email. Of course, many players abused the system and opened multiple accounts but in my case, that was not needed because when I counted all bonuses I have taken in poker rooms it was almost 5000$ in total. That was very lucky because with this money I learned how to play poker without spending even a dime from my own money.

Many times I was able to lose these 250$ bonuses in a few days if this would be my money I think I would stop but that was all free, so I continued to take new bonuses and tried further. I was a great fish to reap off at the start. With time I learned how to properly play poker thanks to many websites which taught how to play. There were websites with free courses even with couches back then and for free. Today everything changed and for a good poker course you have to pay a lot of money and there are almost no no deposit bonuses anymore, only very rare and small once 10 or 15$.

Additionally, if you didn't have the money there were always many freerolls with very high prices. I was able to play all day long only freerolls and not one only multiple at once. Today this changed drastically and only a few rooms are legally available in Europe. The time from 2005 until 2012 it was the golden time for online poker. Even small tournaments had very big awards.

I usually practice on a mobile phone where you play Texas Hold'em poker and play with imaginary chips. That's how I remember the possible strategies that could happen on the real table. Just like what others said, it's helpful to know how strong your hand you are dealt with and if it's still effective when the flop happens and when it's the end game. I play with my friends and bet a small amount of money, and it's just for fun.

Practicing the poker face is hard, though, especially when you are playing with friends who knows you a lot. Bluffing makes it even worse, and you will catch the lie given. Lol. Good times.

I am not a regular Poker player or a pro. I play using Zynga. Bluffing still works but not all the time. There are times when I got a bad cards, I just go all-in and they will all fold but that doesn't work all the time as there are players who really have a good card with them and willing to go all-in as well.

never played, why do you say? i'm skimming the rules and hand rankings.....seems like a really high variance game, yeah? harder to wrap my head around the probabilities from street to street. perhaps a bit like omaha in that way.


last time i withdrew they required a manual phone call, which was annoying, but withdrawals have always come through within 24 hours and i don't recall ever being bothered by the exchange rate.


i'm pretty open myself. i'm self-employed with a really flexible schedule. shoot me a PM when you have a better idea of timing and we can start gauging interest.

poker is a tough game it requires tremendous amount of self discipline. Having the stamina to go into the microscopic details of any hand breakdown is key. Poker demands a well trained mind and at the same time ability to focus and grasp quickly. Having said that the biggest skill is BANKROLL MANAGEMENT, however simple it may sound, it is a tough skill to acquire because it depends upon your personality (how aggressive you can be regarding your funds), I believe that every person look and treat his bankroll differently, there is no golden rule regarding that.
 

Bluffing is a good strategy but only if you do in control and dont bluf often while playing. Bluffing might work with players who you have not played much with but if you find table where people know your style, too much bluffing might get you cornered. I feel the best strategy could be to play according to your hand , know your opponent, make variation while bidding and also bluf periodically but not often.

That's a great point. I have a fairly standard RFI, and if not first I do use a larger multiplier for 3-bet pre, if they come in light, or my hand calls for it. Min raising in first especially from early position is a pretty big flag for me that screams attack. The biggest thing there is stack sizes, as I've seen it played like a limp trap before; so it's one of those spots I try to balance with flatting. Hard to explain... for me anyways but even online you get a feel for who is just scared to get stacked.
Speaking of late position raises giving favorable pot odds - I love it when people Jam the button or cut-off (RFI pre), it reeks of desperation; this is usually how I get a good base for a tourney early on when I'm lucky enough to have even a half decent hand to defend my blind. The odd time it's someone with AA and there's not much you can do there, except suck out on them lol

I used to think very similar to this. Unfortunately it's not always the case, sometimes the good hand isn't coming and when it does you can still be edged out. If you keep your bluffs balanced and disguised similar to bets with good holdings it's a very effective tool. I don't play much in the way of cash games; I do imagine I would be bluffing with a lower frequency if I did but would still find spots to try.
I've used this as a strategy before, both with a strong hand and pure bluffs. It's generally done from Out of Position - I do only Jam the stack if I'm short other than that it's a standard C-bet size 3/4 or pot size. I do take in account the player positions and what I believe their range should be, if the flop appears to miss this then it's my time to take  a shot.
Not bad to disguise you hand strength. Just keep in mind that you hand strength can weaken significantly if you just call along, sometime they bet using their fold equity expecting to put you off a decent hand. If you never let go their draws can get there, and if you Jam they are smiling. You might want to consider working in some re-raises on the turn to push them off their draws.
That's the truth, I was up until 4:30 Am on Friday, started the tourney at about 10 ish. Now that only happened as I went deep, final table was a slow moving beast. Though these are the times it's definitely worth it. Unless I feel gambly and jump into a late reg, I make sure I have a minimum of 5 hours available and no hard plans afterwards in case.
Very good points, a pattern easily gets picked up by good players. Having a strategy is what's needed and you have to work it around a lot of different factors. Getting a read on people is good, but definitely don't forget that you still want to get in at the right spots for your hand strength and stack size.

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Sorry for not coming back with some hands. I need to download some software, I should have grabbed long ago. My old site had hand history and replay available right there on the table so it was easier to review, ACR can be clunkier in that way. I will get that done tonight and when I hit the tables on Wednesday and Thursday I'll bring some hands back to the thread.
Side note on my play. I moved up in stakes on Friday, the night started with me playing my usual games of 1-3$ and luck was not with me, as I got stacked a few times; let's say against questionable hands that were likely played by individuals who could care less about the money... or the game. I hate seeing people say things like "chill, it's a 2$ tourney" to justify playing hands like 94 off suit. Not all of them, but enough that it mixed in to essentially ruin the experience that evening. So I jumped up to a 10$ game - Not advice to "chase the loss" as some would say, but this is well within my budget for playing. So far I've noticed the frequency has declined of let's call'em "Donks", and I can feel the increased level strategy and gameplay. I've decided to stay at this level, doesn't hurt I took that Friday night tournament down.  

Actually in poker I don't know some strategies on winning because I've learned different way on how to win based on my experience. Playing with a lot of people especially underground makes me stronger and be able to earn or double my money in just a split of second. In poker what you need to have is the peace of mind and the sense on how to read the enemies entire card in order for you to think what may be his/her move on the next round. This probably the best way I have been learned in my years of gambling and playing poker. Poker is one of the very hard game to play yet the most good and mind blown gambling you can ever play. Always remember that the game is always an act and all you need to do is to go with the flow.

Hah...  CBD won't be as much fun as the sickos here in crypto tho.  Lol.  But yeah...  Same story here but my introduction to BTC was thru none other than genjix, who used to play poker small stakes back in the day.

Anyway poker...  Anybody serious about the game should learn NLHE Short Deck.  IMHO.

That's why bluffing is a skill and you need to practice while you play and play poker. That's why it is called poker because you need to control your facial expression for your opponent to become confused about the things that you're doing in the table. Bluffing is not that easy to perform because it is a way on how you will help yourself win a lot of money in the end.



It is very hard to predict the cards of the opponent if he's very good in performing bluffing during the game. By bluffing you can manipulate the game but the risk are higher because if you're doing bluffing while you don't have good cards then you're dead. The consequences will be only towards your money, and some of the gambler in poker are losing a lot of money because of that. If you start a poker game with continuous losing then you're not that lucky in that certain day.