Topic: [POLL] I'm Done!: Animal House 2 - page 4. (Read 19129 times)

Wow man...the proper time to shut up would have been a while ago. Seriously...just...stop. Stop...you can make that choice.

I think your damage may be beyond my ability to help.  You have too much anger and hatred for women inside you to turn away from your homosexual sin, it is clear now.  I will continue to pray for you, however, I may not be able to help you, but God still can.

I was hoping sharing my pain might help you deal with yours, I didn't realize you were the type to trivialize sexual crime against women, but I should have known from your general pattern of sexual immorality.

Ok, then why did you suddenly tell me you were raped? What was your point?

Yeah, lots of men say that, lots of police too, you misogynistic asshole.

http://www2.rwu.edu/studentlife/studentservices/counselingcenter/sexualassault/rapemyths.htm

Yeah, but I'm sure they are all a bunch of woe is me liars.  Or at least, there is some man or cop who will say so.

Cute, but no.


I said that your story sounds like a "Woes me! Please feel sorry for me!" lie, having been brought in at a rather strange and "convenient" time, and also that if it did happen to you, I wouldn't be surprised that you were hurt more by the people trying to explain what happened to you after the fact than by the actual "rapist," especially if that "rape" was done by the person because of whom you were sent to that camp.
If the rape was done by someone else, like your dad or priest, then I'm sorry, and you really shouldn't be listening to them about religion anyway.

Again, go back and read, I did no such thing.  I specifically listed things nobody would argue with me are wrong, I clearly set them apart from the conversations in this thread to point out pleasure is not the same thing as morality.  Why is it you feel so strongly your own urges are the same as rape and pedophillia?


You're disgusting, who tells a girl admitting she was raped, "Maybe you ENJOYED IT!  Maybe you CONSENTED but are too dumb to realize it!"  I'm more convinced than ever you are deeply disturbed, unfortunately I may not be able to reach you.

Eternal, maybe, but definitely not infallible, and definitely open to interpretation, as evidenced by the HUGE number of Christian sects. There are also tons of contradictions! (why did God add those in?)

Apologies then. It's just that there are A LOT of people comparing homosexuality to incest, bestiality, rape, pedophilia, etc. and list the things you listed in the same group of sins as homosexuality.


No, no one raped me, or molested me, and I don't believe you. I think that, MAYBE, someone loved you, tried to share something with you, which you consented to and enjoyed, but later you were told by someone else that it was horrible, it was rape, that you were actually really hurt and should feel hurt and ashamed, and maybe you fell into a victim mentality because of it. Regardless, being raped is not an excuse for thinking that sex is perverted and sinful. I remember you saying something about "because you think you're so and so, everyone else must be more sinful than you are?"


There are other ways to say it though. Saul could have simply said that Jonathan has brought shame to the family, and that he is disgusted by him. No reason to bring in perversion, or nakedness thing. Note that there is nothing in there about the mother being naked in public, either. You're the one reading into things and trying to fit them here. I've already pointed out that the shame of someone's nakedness is used often in the old testament to refer to sexual sins. Also, this passage is not proof that Jonathan and David were actually doing anything sexual; just that Saul was also making his own assumptions on the matter. But feel free to reject it though.

You think it's two good friends, I think it's two people very much in love. Nice to know that your opinion of my opinion of two people being in love is the same as "pornographic animal movies." Do you not see how disgustingly twisted your mind is for turning claims of love into "pornographic" "perversion?" Even if you say you're "ok with platonic love," it's obvious you are not, and if you come across it you'll be making the same baseless perverted assumptions.

Anyway, backing up for a moment, that was one quote from the new testament you mentioned. One that you didn't bother to contest regarding the "men having sex with men" referring to male prostitutes. Is that really all the new testament has to say on a grave sin like homosexuality? And, again, what about lesbianism? ANYTHING in the bible saying that's a sin?

It's not murder.  It's capital punishment for a specified crime.

Do you support it, or do you agree that something has changed so these literal, unambiguous laws no longer apply?

 

Along the way he did have a few things to say about morality and God's will.

The New Covenant is a fundamental restructuring that negates the Old Testament as literal law.  Indeed, this is the very foundation of Christianity that distinguishes it from Judaism.



The plain language also forbids eating shellfish, and specifies capital punishment for adultery and rebellious children.  Do you obey those mandates?

Any crackpot on the street can come up with a grilled cheese with Mary on it, but the word of God in the Bible is eternal.


Please restrain your anger and focus on the topics at hand.  I was listing things that are unquestionably wrong and yet make some people happy, not listing sins.  Why do you feel any mentions of rape and theft are about you?  I think getting this off your chest could be very helpful for you.

I have been a victim of rape, did some man do something like that to you?  If that is why you ended up as disturbed as you are now, I can understand, but it's no excuse.  You have to be responsible for your own actions.


I don't think it's difficult to understand, how would you feel if your mother was naked in public?  It's a way to say Saul was ashamed.  There was no sexual content in the passage.  In siding against his King and father he had brought shame to the family, much like anyone who pledged loyalty to someone outside their family.


It's like it's been conceded that the sky is blue, I don't know what to tell you, read the actual book in context.  It's about two good friends and political machinations, it's not one of your pornographic animal movies.

Did he sacrifice himself, or did he let others kill him?

Sadder still that you can not tell me in your own words WHY I am sinning. God told you have having sex with someone of the same sex as you was sinning? He told me just the opposite. Perhaps that "sin" only applied to you? Or do you have something more concrete?


It's troubling that when you wanted to give other examples of sin besides homosexuality, your fist thoughts were rape and theft. Why did you think that homosexuality belongs in the same category? And if it doesn't, what other types of sin that don't actually cause any harm can you think of to compare to homosexuality? Is wearing cotton-polyester mix a good comparable sin? Is you talking in church? What about you touching anyone while you're on your period?

What the passage says is EXACTLY what I have proposed it says: Saul is angry at Jonathan because in Saul's eyes whatever Jonathan did was shameful, the result of his perverted mother, and brought shame on his mother's nakedness (whatever that means). Why are you avoiding the actual statement of that passage, trying to explain it with "But it's his MOTHER who was naked" when that was beside the point? Why are you avoiding all of my other questions too?

Fine, I'll concede you this one. Even though this passage happens AFTER David and Jonathan are back at Saul's house, and make a covenant with each other, I doubt anyone will budge. And for someone who is so quick to point out one's own piety and bible reading, you really don't strike me as someone who read it to understand it. It seems you just skimmed it for the words, and had someone else tell you what is meant, and which words are important.

Out of curiosity, just how much do you think this "perversion" or mine consumes me? By the way you talk to me, it seems as if you think my life, morning to dawn, is nothing but this homosex perverion.

There was  very little for Jesus to say.  Homosexuality was forbidden in both the Old Testament and the New in plain text, historical revisionism is the only reason we even need to have the conversation.  Jesus was not on this Earth to make rules, he was here to sacrifice himself for our sins.  We might as well be arguing about the justifications in the bible for murder, there are some situations that look wrong to modern eyes, but we cannot use them to ignore the plain language that forbids it.

That sword cuts both ways.  You're preaching God's will as you see it.  People taught it to you because of their own skewed interpretations fit to what they wanted to hear.  Perhaps there's some guidance against homosexuality, although I believe the reasons for it are historical and not meant to apply to the modern world, like vast amounts of the Old Testament.

An objective reading of the bible has very little to say on this subject; Jesus didn't mention it at all.  But even if you believe that this is really against God's will, it's an item of vanishingly small importance.  The sheer amount of effort Christians put into this crusade is, in itself, a violation of God's will to love each other, support each other, and build a better world.

Again, if you are having sexual relations with men you are sinning.  It's a sad example of cognitive distress that you are unable to come to terms with what I am telling you.  You are free to disagree and take the wrong interpretation if you wish, but you will not change what God is telling you.


It's troubling that you took I reply I made to someone else and applied it to yourself automatically.  It suggests your cognitive dissonance is again in action.  Why did you assume your own situation was comparable to rape or theft?  I hope it isn't because you have engaged in such actions.


I'm sorry if you don't like what the passage says, but it is what it is.  It doesn't matter how you would like to remember it.


It must be very chaotic in your mind, as the truth tries to peak through and your perverted urges shut them down.   As I said, it is a transference of official position in respect of David's great victory over Goliath.  It is the respect of a soldier.  Had you actually read the bible, instead of just googling for quotes to support your perversion at random, you may have been aware of that story and why the people, even aside from Jonathan, had such respect for David's reputation.  

JUST came across that myself. I withdraw my statement and apologize. Though do provide a link next time please.

You're right, simply stating facts isn't all that creative
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