[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 28.

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The fight has already moved to February 24 but it seems Tyson Fury's father John Fury wants an extension because he noticed a decline in his son's performance in his last three fights and an extension will do good for him.

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"The 17th February is the date they have got to work towards. But in my opinion, Tyson needs a bit more time to get his conditioning right and his weight right," John Fury told Metro.co.uk.

"For my money, in his last three fights, I have seen a bit of decline. Not a decline in ability but a decline in strength, power, and physical condition. I don’t know what they are doing up there, you have to address it. He didn’t look himself out in Saudi.

I don't think many will agree to move the fight to a later date, the boxing community is impatient to unite the crown its better for Tyson Fury to give up the crown if he keeps avoiding Usyk, hopefully, the fight will really push in February.

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Usyk shouldn't just base his assessment of Fury's abilities solely on the Ngannou fight. It's possible that Fury didn't take that match as seriously, resulting in a less intense training regimen compared to his usual rigorous routine. Now that Fury has experienced the close call and understands the risk, he might step up his training for the upcoming bout, catching Usyk off guard with a more unpredictable performance.

While Usyk is undeniably skilled and wouldn't be a champion otherwise, in my opinion (though I may be biased), Fury still appears to be the superior fighter. Personally, I don't anticipate the upcoming contest to be closely contested, Fury might win via KO or by majority decison.

Quote from: JollyGood on November 21, 2023, 08:35:59 AM

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 18, 2023, 12:39:47 AM

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 21, 2023, 08:35:59 AM

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Fury is surprised that his main weapon clinched and punch doesn’t work to Ngannou since he can still receive a much solid blow compared on what he is giving to Francis. On typical boxer Fury fight, This style was working due to his stamina advantage yet Ngannou overcome this like he was trained to fight in close combat.

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. Cheesy

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No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 18, 2023, 12:39:47 AM

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 18, 2023, 08:44:05 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 18, 2023, 08:52:11 AM

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

Come on! In boxing, size and weight always matter. There's a reason why an agreed weight will have to be strictly implemented. To fail is to pay a costly fine. Worse, the match could be cancelled and you're still asked to pay for certain expenses. Moreover, Fury isn't that big that it's taking a toll on his movement and speed. Fury floats. This is a lethal combination.

In addition to his size and weight, which Fury makes the most of in his fights, there's also that 7-inch difference in reach. We've also seen how Fury stretches that arm to keep his opponents at bay.

I'm not saying Usyk doesn't even have the slightest chance to win. The man is quick for his weight class. But it cannot be possible that he would wear out Fury to the point that he would fall from fatigue. LOL!

Oh, well, I hope you didn’t take my words about fatigue literally? I meant a slightly different kind of fatigue - when you can’t hit your opponent and he regularly hits you. At this weight, even light jabs (that land) are exhausting, and if it goes on for 12 rounds, any boxer can get tired. In general, if you look at what you write, Usik has chances, but they are so illusory that there are almost none, but even bookmakers give him solid chances.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 18, 2023, 08:52:11 AM

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Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

Come on! In boxing, size and weight always matter. There's a reason why an agreed weight will have to be strictly implemented. To fail is to pay a costly fine. Worse, the match could be cancelled and you're still asked to pay for certain expenses. Moreover, Fury isn't that big that it's taking a toll on his movement and speed. Fury floats. This is a lethal combination.

In addition to his size and weight, which Fury makes the most of in his fights, there's also that 7-inch difference in reach. We've also seen how Fury stretches that arm to keep his opponents at bay.

I'm not saying Usyk doesn't even have the slightest chance to win. The man is quick for his weight class. But it cannot be possible that he would wear out Fury to the point that he would fall from fatigue. LOL!

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 17, 2023, 08:31:33 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 17, 2023, 09:04:45 AM

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 02, 2023, 05:28:58 AM

Quote from: cabron on October 30, 2023, 09:08:57 AM

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones. It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

That is Bob Arum and yes Usyk does seem much smaller than Ngannou. Look at him standing next to Fury, ordinarily you would think he has no chance but the way Fury is fighting and the way Usyk wants this fight to go ahead, it is clear he will be relentless in his pursuit and could defeat Fury.

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 17, 2023, 05:55:28 AM

The odds will change as and when the number of bets placed changes but it seems as though Fury is the favourite. What has to be mentioned is that he is definitely not overwhelmingly favourite and that is for two reasons. First, his display against Ngannou was nowhere near emphatic and second, Usyk has a real chance to win.

Quote from: Darker45 on November 16, 2023, 08:38:09 PM

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

That was a rather quick and significant change in the odds based on actual betting when the fight is scheduled 3 months from now. I was curious which betting platform it was offered. Having an account there might be worth it.

Anyway, I doubt Fury took Ngannou very seriously. For somebody who had just crossed into boxing from MMA and has been inactive for almost two years, he probably wouldn't be taken as a big threat. Usyk has a chance but I don't think it's a big one.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 16, 2023, 06:27:58 PM

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 17, 2023, 12:43:19 PM

The odds could not be too heavily biased towards either when you look at what the bookmakers are offering because it will be a very close fight.

As far as those of us who have an interest in boxing are concerned, how many would be shocked if Usyk won the fight? I am going for a Fury win but only just, overall I think he should win the fight but Usyk could win because the two are finely balanced. Neither looked supremely good in their most recent fight therefore it became harder to make a selection.

Quote from: KTChampions on November 17, 2023, 09:04:45 AM

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

If I remember correctly, in the first fight against AJ, Usik was assessed as an underdog with very weak chances, and even after the second fight with AJ, the majority thought that Fury would crush Usik. Now, after Fury first showed his uncertainty by avoiding the fight, and then showed his poor form in the fight with Ngannou, the circumstances for the quotes have changed. No one will be surprised by any outcome. It’s funny that in the end the fight could be dominated by Fury (due to his size and advantage in physical strength) or Usik (due to technique and speed), but before the fight the chances are really about 50 to 50. Therefore, for me personally, the skew of odds in favor of Fury lies in the area of cash flow and not in the area of how bookmakers assess their strength.

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The odds could not be too heavily biased towards either when you look at what the bookmakers are offering because it will be a very close fight.

As far as those of us who have an interest in boxing are concerned, how many would be shocked if Usyk won the fight? I am going for a Fury win but only just, overall I think he should win the fight but Usyk could win because the two are finely balanced. Neither looked supremely good in their most recent fight therefore it became harder to make a selection.

Quote from: KTChampions on November 17, 2023, 09:04:45 AM

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 16, 2023, 08:38:09 PM

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As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

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Quote from: cabron on October 30, 2023, 09:08:57 AM

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones. It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

In today's generation of heavyweights, Usyk is just a blown-up cruiserweight. If not for his skills and high IQ he'll never have a chance of even getting a title shot. And by the way, he holds the Ring, WBA, IBF, and WBO belts so Fury's WBC belt is the only missing piece to determine the undisputed champion.

For years during AJ and Wilder's undefeated championship reigns, it's always the former favored by the betting odds. AJ has a shorter reign as champion than Wilder but his resume is always better than the American. AJ unified the belts and held 3 while Wilder never tried unifying his belt. Usyk did beat a version of AJ that is not undefeated anymore though while Fury is the only one that gave Wilder losses.

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What weight would they fight at?
This is a factor to watch because this certainly affects the way they will fight. If Fury has to eat and drink less for 2 months, it's gonna be a loss for him.

Lol! It's the heavyweight. Fury can eat all he wants but I guess he enters the ring lighter knowing he is fighting someone that has speed and skills. Maybe 250+ or below 265 pounds.

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The odds will change as and when the number of bets placed changes but it seems as though Fury is the favourite. What has to be mentioned is that he is definitely not overwhelmingly favourite and that is for two reasons. First, his display against Ngannou was nowhere near emphatic and second, Usyk has a real chance to win.

Quote from: Darker45 on November 16, 2023, 08:38:09 PM

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 16, 2023, 06:27:58 PM

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 16, 2023, 03:30:34 PM

This seems to be the case. I'm a little disappointed because this deadline gives time for the greedy belly to get into shape, but on the other hand it will be a fair fight when both boxers are in optimal shape and no one is underestimating anyone.

Fury will be the favorite, but clearly not the same as he would be without the fight with Ngannou. What do you think, starting from what odds will it be profitable to bet on: Fury, Usyk?

If the fight went ahead in December, I think Fury would not have been fit or focused enough to give himself the best chance to win but by February next year both Fury and Usyk should be in optimal shape. If the fight does go ahead this time, I do think Fury will remain as the favourite but both are undefeated in their professional careers therefore this really will be the biggest fight since Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield

Quote from: Baofeng on November 16, 2023, 06:27:58 PM

Yeah, here is the full video of it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTVlz57uZk.

I do like the head butting, I thought that it will go on a brawl, but Usyk just keep himself cool and just laughing it off.

It was good to see Usyk not allowing Fury to dominate the press conference and yes the drama where their foreheads nearly started fighting, it was hilarious Grin

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 16, 2023, 02:08:56 PM

THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE NOW: The fight has been booked for 17th February 2024

Sylvester Stallone walked on to the stage to the sound of the Rocky film. When Fury and Usyk faced-off they were almost headbutting each other. What a way to promote the fight. I think the fight will go ahead this time, neither party will pull out and cancel the fight. This is the first heavyweight unification fight taking place this century (the last unified heavyweight champion was Lennox Lewis).

Yeah, here is the full video of it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTVlz57uZk.

I do like the head butting, I thought that it will go on a brawl, but Usyk just keep himself cool and just laughing it off.

But Fury, the usual, his mouth goes on a tirade, so the hype continues.

@KTChampions - I do agree, but Fury needs his body and mind to heal after the beating he got from Francis Ngannou, hehehe.

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 16, 2023, 02:08:56 PM

THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE NOW: The fight has been booked for 17th February 2024

Sylvester Stallone walked on to the stage to the sound of the Rocky film. When Fury and Usyk faced-off they were almost headbutting each other. What a way to promote the fight. I think the fight will go ahead this time, neither party will pull out and cancel the fight. This is the first heavyweight unification fight taking place this century (the last unified heavyweight champion was Lennox Lewis).

This seems to be the case. I'm a little disappointed because this deadline gives time for the greedy belly to get into shape, but on the other hand it will be a fair fight when both boxers are in optimal shape and no one is underestimating anyone.

Fury will be the favorite, but clearly not the same as he would be without the fight with Ngannou. What do you think, starting from what odds will it be profitable to bet on: Fury, Usyk?

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THE PRESS CONFERENCE IS TAKING PLACE NOW: The fight has been booked for 17th February 2024

Sylvester Stallone walked on to the stage to the sound of the Rocky film. When Fury and Usyk faced-off they were almost headbutting each other. What a way to promote the fight. I think the fight will go ahead this time, neither party will pull out and cancel the fight. This is the first heavyweight unification fight taking place this century (the last unified heavyweight champion was Lennox Lewis).

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Quote from: cabron on October 30, 2023, 09:08:57 AM

^ In that image with Arum, Usyk looks smaller than Ngannou he is a champ in WBA and WBO but he hasn't fought tough ones like Wilder. I bet when he is there on top already, he'd be an easy champ to beat by those aspiring ones. It depends on how agile he still would be after pumping his weight.

That is Bob Arum and yes Usyk does seem much smaller than Ngannou. Look at him standing next to Fury, ordinarily you would think he has no chance but the way Fury is fighting and the way Usyk wants this fight to go ahead, it is clear he will be relentless in his pursuit and could defeat Fury.

Quote from: edmundduke on October 30, 2023, 09:19:59 AM

Thats gona be a great fight. I think Fury still probably has an edge but the last fight showed that it is possible to take him down afterall. Also the fight is actually pretty near and there were some rumblings from Furys side that they might want to postpone it to a later date but Usyk sayd the contracts have been signed already (a while back Fury was making fun of Usyk that he cant back out as contracts done, oh my how the tables have turned lol)

Would the time from now until the proposed fight date on 23rd December allow Fury enough time to get back to his best physical condition to be in serious contention to win the fight?

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