Speaking of head-butt,
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1790448887674618262
Topic: [ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 20. (Read 5484 times)
^^ I do agree, this is not acceptable action by the Fury's here, he is making a mockery of boxing, if they want to do like this in promotion then they should be fighting in exhibitions matches not pro-boxing. And for sure, some fans are really disappointed and obviously wanting to see Fury getting smack by Usyk.
Speaking of head-butt,
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1790448887674618262
Speaking of head-butt,
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1790448887674618262
John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked
John Fury clearly overstepped the mark when he headbutted a member of the Usyk team.We all know this was not the first time he has been an absolute attention-seeker but what happened on this occasion was basically on a completely different level to the usual banter, taunting and occasional pushing that takes place between two parties.What he did was unacceptable and definitely he should receive an appropriate punishment for it because it should have been considered an assault and he should have been arrested/questioned at the time.
The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.
Whether he gets sent back to the UK or not, Usyk released a statement about the headbutting incident giving him even more reason to win the fight. It is starting to look as though the time for jokes is over and this is finally getting serious. 
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John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked:
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The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.
John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked:
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The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.
It was a cheap move by the old man, it didn't seem like there was any real provocation, other than Usyk's team chanting his name.
You'd expect a little bit more restraint and self-control from a man of his age, instead he acted as an overly emotional teenager. Sucker headbutting non-aggressive and much smaller guy won't bring him any glory, not to mention that he seemed to suffer more damage than the Ukrainian lad, who btw gave an interview later on and wasn't too bothered by the situation.
I don't think Saudis would take any action, given the guy who got headbutted is unlikely to report it.
The "Grand Arrivals" part of promo is now streaming live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcaNEk1TVuE
They're just going through the undercard one by one so far.
John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S1e3wl3gs2w
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8QbzZsancX4
The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.
They're just going through the undercard one by one so far.
John Fury disgustingly headbutted a young lad in Usyk's camp yesterday completely unprovoked:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S1e3wl3gs2w
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8QbzZsancX4
The Saudi's should grow some balls and send him home. He wouldn't have done that in the UK or he'd be straight back to prison.
It's hard to predict for sure, which on paper should make the fight more exciting, I just hope it isn't boring. I think Uysk will give a boxing masterclass which can either be exciting or dull. Fury has the potential to KO him but he'd need to be the first to do so. Tyson could play dirty if he gets frustrated which will add some spice to the fight.
It cannot be denied, this fight should be an exciting blockbuster that should go down in history for all the right reasons BUT we have seen far too many boxing fights that have turned out as total disappointments. If Fury and Usyk start the fight with too much caution, it could take away the entertaining factor.This is a heavyweight unification fight, the first since 1999 therefore everybody is hoping for a memorable money in history.
I still do not have a favorite for the fight, I will choose before that day.
When you look at the phenomenal boxing record of both Fury and Usyk, you have to simply respect them for what they have achieved. Usyk stepped up as an unbeaten unified cruiserweight champion to heavyweight champion.If Usyk wins, he will be the first champion in history that unified both the cruiserweight and heavyweight titles and did it by winning all of his fights. He had an impressive 16-0-0 record at cruiserweight and now a 5-0-0 at heavyweight record including winning the WBA, IBF, WBO, and IBO heavyweight titles against Joshua in just his 3rd heavyweight fight. He has an overall 21-0-0 record (including 14 KO and 7 on the judges scorecard).
If Fury wins, he did it the hard way by overcoming adversity including serious mental health issues. His first professional fight was in 2008 but when he beat W Klitchko to win the n WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO, and The Ring heavyweight titles in November 2015 he suffered mental and physical health issues and did not fight again until June 2018. His overall record stands at 35-0-1 (the only draw being the disputed result against Wilder in the first fight of their trilogy). He won 24 by KO and 10 on the judges scorecard.
It is very difficult to pick a winner.
Only a week to go now. Just saw there's some events announced on Dazn schedule:
Tuesday 14th Grand Arrivals: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/5hk4br58lvbctme995e85p7qq
Wednesday 15th Open Workouts: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/7hab40wcmxj4vp3z8qxpcpr4l
Thursday 16th Press Conference: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/5jbjkttm7atng2wqn4zq0kpvj
Friday 17th Weigh in: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/51z03iktxjyqf7g3v00q4m8yo
And the 18th is obviously the fight. They've definitely left it late to promote this but at least it looks like it'll be a busy week starting Tuesday. I think all of the above apart from the fight obviously will be live to stream on the Dazn youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DAZNBoxing
Tuesday 14th Grand Arrivals: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/5hk4br58lvbctme995e85p7qq
Wednesday 15th Open Workouts: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/7hab40wcmxj4vp3z8qxpcpr4l
Thursday 16th Press Conference: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/5jbjkttm7atng2wqn4zq0kpvj
Friday 17th Weigh in: https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/home/51z03iktxjyqf7g3v00q4m8yo
And the 18th is obviously the fight. They've definitely left it late to promote this but at least it looks like it'll be a busy week starting Tuesday. I think all of the above apart from the fight obviously will be live to stream on the Dazn youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DAZNBoxing
They have finally started the promo at least Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk Official Documentary: The Ring of Fire:
There is a lot of hype, and as I saw online, the Swiss luxury Jacob & Co. watch brand made a very beautiful piece for this big fight.
see very beautiful video here of this wristwatch: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6wE-cKOkNh/?igsh=MTl0OGk0NWJjam52eA==
I still do not have a favorite for the fight, I will choose before that day.
I thought this Usyk's message to Tyson was pretty funny: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LvBGCEHnUdM
Did Usyk get in Tyson's head with that or was Fury just confused?
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It's hard to predict for sure, which on paper should make the fight more exciting, I just hope it isn't boring. I think Uysk will give a boxing masterclass which can either be exciting or dull. Fury has the potential to KO him but he'd need to be the first to do so. Tyson could play dirty if he gets frustrated which will add some spice to the fight.
Did Usyk get in Tyson's head with that or was Fury just confused?
.This has all the signs of being a very close fight because of the excellent records both boxers accumulated over the years. I really hope it plays out in a very entertaining way.
There should be enough adrenalin flowing through their veins to ensure neither gets knocked out even one or both gets knocked down for a less than 10 seconds if they get caught out by a surprise punch. I think most commentators and analysts as well as the ordinary person probably thinks this will go the distance.
There should be enough adrenalin flowing through their veins to ensure neither gets knocked out even one or both gets knocked down for a less than 10 seconds if they get caught out by a surprise punch. I think most commentators and analysts as well as the ordinary person probably thinks this will go the distance.
I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight ). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.
). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.It's hard to predict for sure, which on paper should make the fight more exciting, I just hope it isn't boring. I think Uysk will give a boxing masterclass which can either be exciting or dull. Fury has the potential to KO him but he'd need to be the first to do so. Tyson could play dirty if he gets frustrated which will add some spice to the fight.
This has all the signs of being a very close fight because of the excellent records both boxers accumulated over the years. I really hope it plays out in a very entertaining way.
There should be enough adrenalin flowing through their veins to ensure neither gets knocked out even one or both gets knocked down for a less than 10 seconds if they get caught out by a surprise punch. I think most commentators and analysts as well as the ordinary person probably thinks this will go the distance.
There should be enough adrenalin flowing through their veins to ensure neither gets knocked out even one or both gets knocked down for a less than 10 seconds if they get caught out by a surprise punch. I think most commentators and analysts as well as the ordinary person probably thinks this will go the distance.
I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight ). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.
). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.
They have finally started the promo at least Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk Official Documentary: The Ring of Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJVW62rC470
Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.
Tyson lies more than he tells the truth. Usually if he says something I tend to believe the opposite. Just google Tyson Fury lies and you'll see an awful lot.
https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/tyson-fury-boxing-lies-interview-20221110
One of the more recent ones was him lying about him starting camp already and that Sugar Hill had flown over that day to start training him. He hadn't. He'd flown over to train another fighter and was just taking advantage of that fact to make out like he was in camp already when he wasn't: https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/11z0ju6/sugarhill_steward_confirmed_to_boxingkingmedia_he/
I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage.
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He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.
Tyson lies more than he tells the truth. Usually if he says something I tend to believe the opposite. Just google Tyson Fury lies and you'll see an awful lot.
https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/tyson-fury-boxing-lies-interview-20221110
One of the more recent ones was him lying about him starting camp already and that Sugar Hill had flown over that day to start training him. He hadn't. He'd flown over to train another fighter and was just taking advantage of that fact to make out like he was in camp already when he wasn't: https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/11z0ju6/sugarhill_steward_confirmed_to_boxingkingmedia_he/
Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
There are rematch clauses involved therefore Fury and Usyk are expected to have a minimum of two fights and probably a maximum of three and it would be better for there to be a winner in each fight before the judges scorecard is involved.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
There are rematch clauses involved therefore Fury and Usyk are expected to have a minimum of two fights and probably a maximum of three and it would be better for there to be a winner in each fight before the judges scorecard is involved.
I agree, but I think it probably will go the distance. Usyk doesn't knock many people out and Tyson doesn't get knocked down easily (though lets ignore that last fight
). I also don't have much faith in the judges. The Saudi's seem to be quite biased towards Fury so I hope Usyk gets a fair shot and their relationship with Fury doesn't cloud their judgement. If it's close I can see a draw especially since it's a two fight deal but if Usyk is dominating and Fury wins or it's a draw there will be outrage. 
There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.
This has dragged on for so long that it has killed most of the hype. We originally thought they were going to fight in 2022, only for them to go in separate directions over disagreements about how much money they each thought they deserved. The Saudis then came in and were able to meet their financial demands but a poor performance against Ngannou and a sparring injury delayed it further. Usyk also didn’t leave the best impression in his previous fight, where he managed to survive due to some dubious refereeing.
Agreed. This might be because Tyson Fury might want to lose more weight, however, he cannot stop eating his junkfood and cannot stop drinking beer hehehe. Might this also he because of the use of steroids? I reckon some athletes need more time to make it untraceable from urine and blood samples because of their slower metabolism. It certainly appears that Fury has a slow metabolism hehehehe.
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There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.
This has dragged on for so long that it has killed most of the hype. We originally thought they were going to fight in 2022, only for them to go in separate directions over disagreements about how much money they each thought they deserved. The Saudis then came in and were able to meet their financial demands but a poor performance against Ngannou and a sparring injury delayed it further. Usyk also didn’t leave the best impression in his previous fight, where he managed to survive due to some dubious refereeing.
Yes, they didn't capitalized on the hype, just like when there was also talks of AJ vs Wilder 2018 era if I'm not mistaken when both are still undefeated. They could have earn huge amount but they waited and waited to build that hype until AJ was upset by Ruiz.
And we are probably in the Ryan Garcia hype still as we are talking about a supposedly failed drug test by Ryan.
So boxing fans around the world might have forgotten about this fight and it might only gain traction in the last week of the fight itself.
There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.
This has dragged on for so long that it has killed most of the hype. We originally thought they were going to fight in 2022, only for them to go in separate directions over disagreements about how much money they each thought they deserved. The Saudis then came in and were able to meet their financial demands but a poor performance against Ngannou and a sparring injury delayed it further. Usyk also didn’t leave the best impression in his previous fight, where he managed to survive due to some dubious refereeing.
One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.
His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?
Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?
He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.
I speculate that Tyson Fury did not go through his normal training routine against Francis Ngannou because he underestimated Francis. If he did this, we can be quite certain that Tyson Fury would have given Francis a knockout very much similar to Anthony Joshua.
On Tyson Fury's yo-yo and struggle. This is the most important fight of Tyson Fury's career, I reckon. He will be in the best muscular form for a fat boxer in his age. He might not be very muscular, however, he will also not be fat and slow for this fight.
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.
However not as good as he was after what we have witnessed on his fight against Francis Ngannou? Ngannou cannot be the person that will erase all of his victories against all of his opponents who are real boxers, would it not?
On what is the litmus test, we have witnessed this already against Wladimir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder, I reckon. Those victories have proven that he has passed the test. This fight against Usyk will be proof that he might be a heavyweight goat if he wins. Also, if Fury wins, I predict his next opponent will be Anthony Joshua.
I just voted for Usyk and my preferences are based on personal sentiment and unbiased speculation. It was personal due to the fact that I do not like Fury, oh yes, I dislike a lousy mouth and an arrogant person. And as we all know, Usyk despite possessing all the qualities and belts he has, is a humble person, which is why I naturally support him.
For the second part which is based on true speculation, well, by virtue of the fight between Anthony Joshua and Usyk where the latter beat him twice and Anthony Joshua easily beat Francis Ngannou which was difficult for Fury to beat means a whole lot. If we do the arithmetic, we should know that the odds still support Usyk in this regard even though it's not the only factor that will determine this fight, nevertheless, it still counts so much.
For the second part which is based on true speculation, well, by virtue of the fight between Anthony Joshua and Usyk where the latter beat him twice and Anthony Joshua easily beat Francis Ngannou which was difficult for Fury to beat means a whole lot. If we do the arithmetic, we should know that the odds still support Usyk in this regard even though it's not the only factor that will determine this fight, nevertheless, it still counts so much.
I also naturally like fighters that are humble and respectful but I cannot deny that trash talkers are making events more colorful and exciting. What I don't like on Fury though is when he ducked fights like his rematch with Wlad and avoided Usyk for over a year now.
Styles make fights. Ngannou was not respected by Fury and it nearly cost him that fight. Whereas AJ is rebuilding and is showing determination to be back to his old form. So he never gave Ngannou the chance to be comfortable in that fight.
This is going to be an interesting fight. I am rooting for an Usyk win. But given the extra time Fury had, he will come up more prepared or he might even risk of cancelling the fight again if he is not performing well in his camp especially on his sparring sessions.
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He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.
Excuses are only for those who losses the fight, and obviously he still emerge victories with the help of the judges. And he might have said that right after the fight and we don't know behind close doors if he is trying very hard for Francis or no.
But here he shouldn't underestimate Usyk, he knows what's at stake in this fight. He should come in here in the best shape of his fighting career. Otherwise, if he is caught sleeping again like in the Ngannou fight, Usyk will take advantage of it and going to dominate him.
I am unsure about this because by far too many neutrals and sports commentators were certain Fury did beat Wilder in their first fight even though the judges awarded it as a draw. As good as a technically gifted boxer Usyk undoubtedly is, I honestly believe if the best version of Fury fought the best version of Usyk, then Fury would win the fight.
I would also be sure that if the best versions of Fury and Usyk turned up for the fight, neither would win by a KO and the chances of either winning by TKO would almost zero therefore it would have to go to the judges scorecard.
I would also be sure that if the best versions of Fury and Usyk turned up for the fight, neither would win by a KO and the chances of either winning by TKO would almost zero therefore it would have to go to the judges scorecard.
It's fair to say that if it goes to the judges, then Usyk would come on the top as he's technically much better. Fury will have to search for a KO or score a knock down or two.
Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
Don't they have the rematch clause in the contract? I'm not 100% sure, but think I've read it somewhere.
If so, the controversial decision would be the best thing that could happen from the promoters perspective, as the rematch would hype-up itself.
It's fair to say that if it goes to the judges, then Usyk would come on the top as he's technically much better. Fury will have to search for a KO or score a knock down or two.
Not sure if this has already been posted in this thread, but here's a face to face interview between both of them (from few months back) where Fury looks more mentally dominating (to no surprise):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8elBzTOBXY
Yes, there is a rematch clause between the two, however, there is a teaser from Saudi's powerful boxer broker, HE Turki Alalshikh that maybe they could bypass the rematch and then we will see the winner fighting Anthony Joshua,
https://twitter.com/Turki_alalshikh/status/1780336190958215638
Although Usyk has beaten Joshua twice already, the fight that we wanted to see is Fury vs Joshua for All-British unification fight.
Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
Don't they have the rematch clause in the contract? I'm not 100% sure, but think I've read it somewhere.
If so, the controversial decision would be the best thing that could happen from the promoters perspective, as the rematch would hype-up itself.
It's fair to say that if it goes to the judges, then Usyk would come on the top as he's technically much better. Fury will have to search for a KO or score a knock down or two.
Not sure if this has already been posted in this thread, but here's a face to face interview between both of them (from few months back) where Fury looks more mentally dominating (to no surprise):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8elBzTOBXY
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