[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 21.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 16, 2023, 06:27:58 PM

As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

Got curious when I read that Usyk is now the favorite in this fight and so I check Stake and this is the listing right now,

Fury, Tyson - 1.85
Usyk, Oleksandr - 1.89

Fury is still the favorite but Usyk is closing in and the odds is almost even now. So there is a big swing in the odds. Most likely after the AJ destroys Ngannou fight, and when bettors see how Ngannou had a close fight against Fury and then AJ just dominated Francis, maybe bettors saw that as a sign that Fury could might have a hard time or even lose against Usyk now.

What do you think could be the reasons of the bet swing in favor of Usyk here?

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This is supposed to be one of the most eagerly anticipated boxing fights in a very long time but I remember Fury vs Wilder had more media attention and buzz around it. I guess we have been close on several occasions having Fury and Usyk in the ring but been let down therefore it does not have the same eagerness now. At this moment, Joshua vs Ngannou has more boxing fans and neutrals talking about it.

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And so the eye injury has healed already,

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Tyson Fury insists that the cut that caused the postponement of his eagerly awaited fight with Oleksandr Usyk has already healed and that he is ready to stop the Ukrainian when they finally meet in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on May 18.

https://www.boxingscene.com/fury-healed-raring-go-usyk--181888

And he still has enough time for training or could be training already as he anticipated that that cut will be healed this time. So again, there should no more excuses and no more delayed as everyone is looking for this fight come May 18th.

And Usyk could also be raring to go and it could be at his advantage to have more time in his hands to prepare for this fight.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 21, 2024, 11:43:29 AM

Ngannou needs to knock Fury out next time and make a statement, and I think he will try his best to do so it's not left up to the judges. I think more judges would help, but people will still be robbed.

I have a feeling there will not be a another fight for Fury after Usyk. I would not surprised at all if Fury hangs up his gloves after the first Usyk fight even if there is a rematch clause and we know they know they have a three-fight clause. No matter what Fury is stating about Joshua and Ngannou, he probably does not want to face Ngannou again and Joshua further down his pecking order.

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 21, 2024, 11:43:29 AM

I personally wouldn't put money on Parker in that fight. Parker was KO-ed by Joe Joyce and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and very comfortably I might add. I'm really routing for Zhang as I think he could be very dangerous to the other heavyweights especially Tyson and the big heavyweights are gonna avoid him like the plague. A Zhang Vs Ngannou would be a slugfest. Both have heads and chins made of granite. Either way I'm looking forward very much to the Zhang/Parker fight on the undercard.

Zhang out punched Joyce in their first fight and caused a stopped because of hos swollen eye and then knocked him out on their rematch. Parker was beaten by Joyce but I think that night was for him to shine and Parker to remind himself that a loss is a punch away.

If Parker can make Zhang get tired he will win but Zhang looks like the real deal yet still unpolished and has work to go further. I think he will be a heavyweight champion within 18 months.

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Quote from: JollyGood on February 20, 2024, 06:26:33 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 02:27:22 PM

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

If Fury were to lose the fight he would want it to be as a result of a highly dubious points decision rather than a clean KO (or TKO) as it would allow him to claim he won but was cheated. I did read an article stating the WBC was thinking of having five ringside judges for the fight just in case the fight went the full 12 rounds and the result awarded on the judges scorecards.

Ngannou needs to knock Fury out next time and make a statement, and I think he will try his best to do so it's not left up to the judges. I think more judges would help, but people will still be robbed.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 02:27:22 PM

It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

It is funny reading some quotes from Tyson Fury, he changes his mind far to often for anybody to take him seriously Grin

For the fights you mentioned, I will go for Ngannou to win by knockout by round 4 and for Parker to win by TKO by round 8.

I personally wouldn't put money on Parker in that fight. Parker was KO-ed by Joe Joyce and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and very comfortably I might add. I'm really routing for Zhang as I think he could be very dangerous to the other heavyweights especially Tyson and the big heavyweights are gonna avoid him like the plague. A Zhang Vs Ngannou would be a slugfest. Both have heads and chins made of granite. Either way I'm looking forward very much to the Zhang/Parker fight on the undercard.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 02:27:22 PM

Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

If Fury were to lose the fight he would want it to be as a result of a highly dubious points decision rather than a clean KO (or TKO) as it would allow him to claim he won but was cheated. I did read an article stating the WBC was thinking of having five ringside judges for the fight just in case the fight went the full 12 rounds and the result awarded on the judges scorecards.

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 20, 2024, 02:27:22 PM

It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

It is funny reading some quotes from Tyson Fury, he changes his mind far to often for anybody to take him seriously Grin

For the fights you mentioned, I will go for Ngannou to win by knockout by round 4 and for Parker to win by TKO by round 8.

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Tyson yesterday notified the WBC that he intends to go ahead with the Usyk fight so we can assume the fight is still on track: https://www.si.com/fannation/boxing/tyson-fury-notifies-wbc-president-mauricio-sulaiman-that-he-is-prepared-to-proceed-with-usyk-preparations

Still a myriad of things can go wrong to not make this fight happen, but I believe Tyson wants it even if the thinks he might lose. The money is too big to not take it.

Quote from: JollyGood on February 13, 2024, 05:13:53 PM

Here is an interesting article about Fury stating he wants to fight Usyk twice, then Joshua (probably twice) and Ngannou again but is Fury just being Fury by talking about things that distracting from the real focus? Five fight plan for Tyson Fury

Call it a hunch but when I read about the unification fight I feel there is a chance Fury will pull out of the re-scheduled 18th May 2024 fight with Usyk. Hopefully it will go ahead as planned.

I mean great if true, but Fury changes his mind like the weather, and I also don't believe half of the shit he says. It was only a month or two ago that he said he has no interest in fighting AJ and that he's not on his level. I think all those fights would be good, but I'd love to see him against someone like Zhang assuming he beats Joseph Parker next which is on the AJ/Ngannou undercard.

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Here is an interesting article about Fury stating he wants to fight Usyk twice, then Joshua (probably twice) and Ngannou again but is Fury just being Fury by talking about things that distracting from the real focus? Five fight plan for Tyson Fury

Call it a hunch but when I read about the unification fight I feel there is a chance Fury will pull out of the re-scheduled 18th May 2024 fight with Usyk. Hopefully it will go ahead as planned.

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We have not see a unification fight since 1999 therefore this one is highly anticipate because of the historic element involved.

The new date has been set for 18th May 2024 but if for any reason the fight does not go ahead on that date because of either injury or anything else, it would seem then fight would not be going ahead at all. Usyk is trying to become the first heavyweight boxer trying to unify both at cruiserweight and heavyweight whereas Fury is trying to cement his own legacy.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 07, 2024, 06:34:28 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 05, 2024, 10:18:16 AM

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 06, 2024, 08:48:26 AM

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

Rejecting an unreasonable purse split when you are clearly the bigger draw isn't avoiding someone, it's common business sense. If Jake Paul agreed to fight Canelo only if he got a 50/50 split, then logically Canelo would reject that deal. Having to postpone a fight because of a harder than expected fight against a knockout artist is also not cowardly or chickening out, unless you're implying Fury intentionally allowed the record holder for most powerful punch to hit him, which would be an idiotic theory.

Freak accidents happen all the time. Errol Spence was in a horrific car accident, suffered a torn retina, was in another car accident and there are people stupid enough to say he had these incidents, some which were life threatening, because he was afraid of fighting Terence Crawford.

Each person has his own opinion and each person occupies some place in the world - he has a nationality, a country of residence, perhaps a religion, a certain level of income, certain tastes, etc. Naturally, one can say about any person on some basis that he is biased, I do not argue with that.
Fury has run away too many times (and from more than one opponent - remember the Klitschko story?) so I have reason to be biased not to believe him. For some reason, his circus fights go super smoothly (except for the fact that he likes to lie down on the canvas to rest a little), but in fights that are turning points in his career, “surprises happen.”

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 07, 2024, 06:34:28 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on February 05, 2024, 10:18:16 AM

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

I think given the evidence presented recently we can see the injury is genuine and probably just a freak sparring accident. Had Fury just hidden away for weeks/months I would have assumed some shenanigans and thought it was a faked/feigned injury done to either stall or get out of the fight. I think Fury does want this fight even if he knows he's going to struggle or it being his biggest test. The money is just too good to turn down. Gareth A Davis has a saying for why fights do or don't happen: Money, ego, timing and he's right, but money is the biggest factor. Many fighters will avoid fights if they think they will lose or struggle but every fighter also has a price. Would I get in the ring with Fury or Usyk for a few grand? Nope. Would I do it for millions? Of course.

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Quote from: KTChampions on February 05, 2024, 10:18:16 AM

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).

So you're using a biased source to confirm your own bias? Oleksandr Gvozdyk is Usyk's close friend for many years so of course he is going to cast doubt on Fury.

Quote from: KTChampions on February 06, 2024, 08:48:26 AM

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

Rejecting an unreasonable purse split when you are clearly the bigger draw isn't avoiding someone, it's common business sense. If Jake Paul agreed to fight Canelo only if he got a 50/50 split, then logically Canelo would reject that deal. Having to postpone a fight because of a harder than expected fight against a knockout artist is also not cowardly or chickening out, unless you're implying Fury intentionally allowed the record holder for most powerful punch to hit him, which would be an idiotic theory.

Freak accidents happen all the time. Errol Spence was in a horrific car accident, suffered a torn retina, was in another car accident and there are people stupid enough to say he had these incidents, some which were life threatening, because he was afraid of fighting Terence Crawford.

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Quote from: btc_angela on February 05, 2024, 04:56:38 PM

The Saudi's just wanted this fight to happen, simply as that, and it's good that they have this clause, so that in this case Fury will have not any reasons to stall it again. And definitely, everything will be on the line specially for Fury, but he should really come to the fight and box.

And it seems that Fury has no more reasons or excuses to not fight. If he had this another freak accident, like "I broke my elbow during during the sparring", or "my cut is not yet healed 100%", then for us boxing fans, we can't deny that he chicken out and doesn't want to fight Usyk.

Nope. It doesn't work that way. Just re-read the previous threads and this one. Even if Fury chickens out 99 times and avoids fighting under different (or identical) pretexts, someone will always say “well, if he chickens out for the 100th time then I’ll recognize him as a coward, but for now we have to wait.”

In general, I am of course very surprised by this situation (in a global sense, since, in principle, I have lost interest in this clownery) because Fury is the obvious favorite, but he is simply afraid. I don't remember such a case in boxing or other sports. Avoiding a stronger opponent is reasonable and rational (albeit mean), but avoiding a (supposedly) weaker opponent is... I don’t know how to describe it.

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Quote from: nimogsm on February 05, 2024, 11:00:53 AM

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The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

I don’t know if any of them have such funds since the amount is not small, but it will be a good incentive for every athlete to come to the fight and box.
If this is not done, boxers may lose the support of their fans and earn a reputation as a person who is not responsible for their words and actions, which will also negatively affect their future career.

The Saudi's just wanted this fight to happen, simply as that, and it's good that they have this clause, so that in this case Fury will have not any reasons to stall it again. And definitely, everything will be on the line specially for Fury, but he should really come to the fight and box.

And it seems that Fury has no more reasons or excuses to not fight. If he had this another freak accident, like "I broke my elbow during during the sparring", or "my cut is not yet healed 100%", then for us boxing fans, we can't deny that he chicken out and doesn't want to fight Usyk.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 05, 2024, 12:48:16 AM

Quote from: nimogsm on February 04, 2024, 08:20:57 AM

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

I dunno but I'm sure Turki is good for it Grin

. I think it's money he's put up to give to either party should one of them pull out. I guess it's only half given it's unlikely both fighters pull out at the same time.

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 05, 2024, 06:19:34 AM

Lets hope that nothing interferes them from having a fight in May (should be change topic name? huh?). Otherwise someone can be called chicken if the fights gets canceled or postponed again.

Should we get back to this topic the closer fight date is or continue to speculate? Cheesy

Do you think that cut was accidental or made on purpose? Its weeks before fight, why not wear headgear? Can such cut really make so much influence on performance? Shouldnt it heal just partly till Feb 17? Fighters with such cuts continue fighting, while Fury has 2 weeks and millions to spend on doctors.

If Fury comes up with some other excuse to not fight in May you can assume he's just chickened out. I would find it hard to believe even Fury can walk away from the amount of money being offered here even if he thinks he's likely to lose. Had Fury hid away and not shown the injury I would have assumed he was pulling some shenanigans but at least we know there is a genuine injury. I think he's an idiot for doing heavy sparring two weeks away from the biggest fight of his career.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on February 05, 2024, 12:48:16 AM

Quote from: nimogsm on February 04, 2024, 08:20:57 AM

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

I don’t know if any of them have such funds since the amount is not small, but it will be a good incentive for every athlete to come to the fight and box.
If this is not done, boxers may lose the support of their fans and earn a reputation as a person who is not responsible for their words and actions, which will also negatively affect their future career.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 05, 2024, 06:19:34 AM

Lets hope that nothing interferes them from having a fight in May (should be change topic name? huh?). Otherwise someone can be called chicken if the fights gets canceled or postponed again.

Should we get back to this topic the closer fight date is or continue to speculate? Cheesy

Do you think that cut was accidental or made on purpose? Its weeks before fight, why not wear headgear? Can such cut really make so much influence on performance? Shouldnt it heal just partly till Feb 17? Fighters with such cuts continue fighting, while Fury has 2 weeks and millions to spend on doctors.

I wrote before that Fury is a cowardly trash, so I’m not at all surprised by this news. On the contrary, I would be surprised if the fight took place.
If someone considers me biased, then for example Alexander Gvozdik also expressed doubts about this whole story (even if diplomatically, but as they say, everyone understands everything).
Stupid Arabians think that a fine of 10 million will stop the gypsy chicken from his habits Grin

He would rather get high on cocaine and nandrolone again and sue them for having mental problems because of them Grin

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Lets hope that nothing interferes them from having a fight in May (should be change topic name? huh?). Otherwise someone can be called chicken if the fights gets canceled or postponed again.

Should we get back to this topic the closer fight date is or continue to speculate? Cheesy

Do you think that cut was accidental or made on purpose? Its weeks before fight, why not wear headgear? Can such cut really make so much influence on performance? Shouldnt it heal just partly till Feb 17? Fighters with such cuts continue fighting, while Fury has 2 weeks and millions to spend on doctors.

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Quote from: nimogsm on February 04, 2024, 08:20:57 AM

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

So if either fighter pulls out of the fight they would be on the hook for $10 million. That is very interesting. I wonder about the logistics of this agreement. Do they actually have $20 million in escrow, $10 million from each, or is it just a contract they signed saying they will pay that amount if they don't go through with it? I just hope there are no more obstacles and we get an undisputed heavyweight champion once and for all.

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Quote from: nimogsm on February 04, 2024, 08:20:57 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 03, 2024, 03:40:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/live/q2euzZelAuA?si=mGFuKc6xhYfV7ahf

Turki, Tyson & Usyk were all just on Ariel's show. Tyson does have the cut so we at least now know it's not fake or an old injury.

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 03, 2024, 07:45:35 AM

I am also curious what is going to happen to all event in general. If the main event is cancelled, will the other fight also be canceled? If yes, then Fury has set up a lot of other fighters, who had several weeks camp, perhaps cut weight or planned to do that, as minimum spent money on preparation. What is going on in such cases? Does anyone knows what happens in this case? Do fighters get something as cashback? Are such things stated in their contracts?

They've just pushed it back a few months. Looks like there will be no boxing on that day now. There were rumours they were tyring to get usyk another opponent but it's probably best to not risk him losing or getting injured and further delaying it.

The fight was postponed to May 18 and now it will definitely take place.
Direct speech from the organizer: “The last attempt is when we can hold this fight, and I have set the date - May 18. I have guarantees from both boxers - 10 million [dollars], if anyone - then he refuses the fight [his opponent will receive]. 10 million is not from us, we guarantee it - 10 million from their personal funds."
In this case, the fight will be more interesting since the athletes will have more time to prepare, and the public will be more interested in watching since the event will be final and there should be no more postponements.

It really depends though, most of the time, their trainers knows how many weeks they will have to go to be on their peak. In this case, for Usyk, he has to reset everything again, as his trainer doesn't want to have him overtrain.

Yes, it was good that they will have to cancel and move it to another date and not get any replacement opponent for Usyk.

So in any case, everything is on the shoulder of Fury to fulfill all the agreed upon, $10 million is huge for him if he still can't fight on May 18 and most likely the Saudi's are not going to allow him to fight anymore as His Highness, Turki Alalshikh will be done on Fury's antics.

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