I just voted for Usyk and my preferences are based on personal sentiment and unbiased speculation. It was personal due to the fact that I do not like Fury, oh yes, I dislike a lousy mouth and an arrogant person. And as we all know, Usyk despite possessing all the qualities and belts he has, is a humble person, which is why I naturally support him.
For the second part which is based on true speculation, well, by virtue of the fight between Anthony Joshua and Usyk where the latter beat him twice and Anthony Joshua easily beat Francis Ngannou which was difficult for Fury to beat means a whole lot. If we do the arithmetic, we should know that the odds still support Usyk in this regard even though it's not the only factor that will determine this fight, nevertheless, it still counts so much.
Topic: [ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 21. (Read 5484 times)
Regardless of the number of judges they have at ringside when the fight eventually takes place, what are the chances of there being a huge row if the fight were to go the distance? We all already know in that scenario the blame of the outcome will be put on the judges because the result will inevitably be contested and will be a controversial one.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
There are rematch clauses involved therefore Fury and Usyk are expected to have a minimum of two fights and probably a maximum of three and it would be better for there to be a winner in each fight before the judges scorecard is involved.
For those reasons I really hope the fight ends before getting to the judges scoring.
There are rematch clauses involved therefore Fury and Usyk are expected to have a minimum of two fights and probably a maximum of three and it would be better for there to be a winner in each fight before the judges scorecard is involved.
I think the first proposed change was going to be 5 judges. First I've heard of six which does seem far too many. What's going to happen when the scorecards are all widely different. I do think the with the current three it does lead to far too many issues. Plenty of times the judges are split and often go against what the viewers thought.
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He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
Does he lie a lot though? I always considered Fury to be one of the most honest in the boxing world and speaking his mind. The fact that he wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight somewhat proves that.
There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.
This is bizarre, I'm getting much more feeds about Bivol Vs Beterbiev fight, which is also great, but it's not happening until 1 June, whereas Fury Vs Usyk is only 2 weeks away.
It really looks like they exhausted all the marketing budget before the original fight date, although I don't recall seeing any massive promo back them either.
Anyhow, originally I thought it'll be an easy fight for Fury, simply because of the reach/height advantage, but now I'm having second thoughts about it, given Fury's poor performance in Ngannou fight, as well as that he got knocked-down few times in the Wilder trilogy.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Usyk has ever got knocked-down or really struggled in a fight in his professional career (he did have some troubles against Beterbiev during their Olympic fight though, but still managed to win).
Also, I was sure Usyk is only around 180cm tall (~6.0ft) but apparently he's 190-191cm (~6.3ft) according to the internet, but think a lot of the height metrics are wrong or based on self reported data etc, so not very believable.
One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.
His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?
Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?
He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.
I speculate that Tyson Fury did not go through his normal training routine against Francis Ngannou because he underestimated Francis. If he did this, we can be quite certain that Tyson Fury would have given Francis a knockout very much similar to Anthony Joshua.
On Tyson Fury's yo-yo and struggle. This is the most important fight of Tyson Fury's career, I reckon. He will be in the best muscular form for a fat boxer in his age. He might not be very muscular, however, he will also not be fat and slow for this fight.
He said he took it serious both before and after the fight, but we all know we can't believe what he says given he lies so much, but there's also the possibility that he's just not as good as we thought he was. I guess this Usyk fight really is going to be the litmus test because there's no sleepwalking into this fight out of shape as Usyk will dismantle him and if Tyson loses then he's lost to a 'jumped up middleweight' in his own words.
There's a little over two weeks for the fight now as the promo hasn't even started yet nor have either parties been posting about it on socials.
One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.
His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?
Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?
He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.
I speculate that Tyson Fury did not go through his normal training routine against Francis Ngannou because he underestimated Francis. If he did this, we can be quite certain that Tyson Fury would have given Francis a knockout very much similar to Anthony Joshua.
On Tyson Fury's yo-yo and struggle. This is the most important fight of Tyson Fury's career, I reckon. He will be in the best muscular form for a fat boxer in his age. He might not be very muscular, however, he will also not be fat and slow for this fight.
April 24, 2024, 06:05:49 AM
He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.
Hardly anybody will believe Fury is not going to be in top shape when he enters the ring and the same goes for Usyk too. Both boxers will be looking forward to trying to make history and they can only do so if they are in peak physical condition.I dunno. Tyson's weight seems to fluctuate widely and he has often got in the ring quite out of shape, or least with a lot of fat on. I don't suppose it matters if you get the win but I think Uysk is going to be a far more dangerous fighter than any of Tyson's last fights of Nhannou, Chisora and Whyte. Usyk is in shape all year around as well which is far better than Tyson's yo-yoing in weight and fitness. Given that this a is a two-fight deal I hope Tyson doesn't go into this thinking it doesn't matter as he can make changes and get retribution in the rematch should he lose.
6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.
It has been mentioned before but I cannot see the logic in having six judges when they already have three. If a change was to be made I think an odd numbr would be better as the chances of awarding a draw will become slightly (less) better,I think the first proposed change was going to be 5 judges. First I've heard of six which does seem far too many. What's going to happen when the scorecards are all widely different. I do think the with the current three it does lead to far too many issues. Plenty of times the judges are split and often go against what the viewers thought.
April 23, 2024, 01:01:57 PM
He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.
In the digital age where everything that is being said and posted is scrutinised with the finest of fine combs, it is a huge risk to put up older photos of a bygone era looking very fit and healthy because it can open boxers up to ridicule. Hardly anybody will believe Fury is not going to be in top shape when he enters the ring and the same goes for Usyk too. Both boxers will be looking forward to trying to make history and they can only do so if they are in peak physical condition.6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.
It has been mentioned before but I cannot see the logic in having six judges when they already have three. If a change was to be made I think an odd numbr would be better as the chances of awarding a draw will become slightly (less) better, April 23, 2024, 04:27:58 AM
^^ The timing though, it's a high profile fight and Sulaiman wanted to have a test run with this big fight?
Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.
And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.
Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.
And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.
Yeah, it's silly doing it for such a high profile fight. I'm sure it would only cause more drama not less. I'm not opposed to more judges and something really needs to change with the scoring system as there's far too many robberies these days and often the judges don't seem to be watching the same fight as the viewers. Maybe they need another judge who watches the same TV feed the fans do so they can get a better look from a unique angle that neither the ref or judges can. There's also talk of implementing some sort of VAR, which I'm not sure would be great for boxing, but that additional ref who is watching the stream could maybe talk to the ring ref during the fight if he spots a foul/low blow or elbow etc.
April 22, 2024, 07:15:29 PM
^^ The timing though, it's a high profile fight and Sulaiman wanted to have a test run with this big fight?
Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.
And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.
Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.
And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.
April 22, 2024, 07:07:32 PM
Has this been discussed before here?
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1768563585951621370
6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1768563585951621370
6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.
April 22, 2024, 08:02:32 AM
One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.
His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?
Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?
He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.
April 18, 2024, 10:50:56 AM
His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?
Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?
April 16, 2024, 12:45:30 AM
On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.
But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.
In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.
I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clealy imply that it is not in a similar measure.
In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.
@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?
Not sure what you mean by this, but I don't see Fury confusing Usyk here, on the contrary, in that press conference, he says that a big men will always beat the smaller one and size matters. So obviously he is stating that he is going to beat Usyk because he is the bigger and better boxer.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight? He might weigh 20 pounds lighter or more for this fight, I reckon. He has declared that size matters implying that he will use this, however, during the time of the fight I speculate that we might see a slender and sexy Tyson Fury who will float like a butterfly similar to Muhammad Ali hehehehe. Also, Tyson's bee stings might be stronger than Muhammad Ali's bee stings hehehe.
April 15, 2024, 06:00:54 PM
One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
April 12, 2024, 05:08:04 PM
On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.
But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.
In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.
I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clealy imply that it is not in a similar measure.
In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.
@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?
Not sure what you mean by this, but I don't see Fury confusing Usyk here, on the contrary, in that press conference, he says that a big men will always beat the smaller one and size matters. So obviously he is stating that he is going to beat Usyk because he is the bigger and better boxer.
And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.
April 11, 2024, 11:42:14 PM
On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.
But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.
In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.
I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clearly imply that it is not in a similar measure.
In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.
@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?
April 11, 2024, 03:52:29 PM
That had to have been one of the most pointless press conferences ever. Nothing was announced at all. The highlight was John Fury being honest and saying the fight could be boring haha, which Frank Warren didn't seem too happy about and caused quite a stir amongst the crowd. It looks like they are probably panicking about the lack of promo. Tyson's manager did an interview after and someone asked him what it was all about and why it came out of the blue and he said something along the lines of they're contractually obligated to promote the fight, so that's probably the only reason it happened. Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOG7AXkEMc
It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?
It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?
Oh well, I was hype about this so called press conference, but it was a snoozer and nothing exciting has been announced here. And probably some boxing fans, including myself has fallen for it waiting and then it's obvious that this is just a promotion that is long overdue on the side of Warren and Tyson Fury to come out in public for this fight.
And with that, it didn't do anything as intended, no hype whatsoever in social media and it's obvious as well that this is like being force by Warren as they are obligated to promote this fight as you have said. No preparation whatsoever, just get someone to announce it and invite the media, that's it.
April 11, 2024, 06:50:35 AM
That had to have been one of the most pointless press conferences ever. Nothing was announced at all. The highlight was John Fury being honest and saying the fight could be boring haha, which Frank Warren didn't seem too happy about and caused quite a stir amongst the crowd. It looks like they are probably panicking about the lack of promo. Tyson's manager did an interview after and someone asked him what it was all about and why it came out of the blue and he said something along the lines of they're contractually obligated to promote the fight, so that's probably the only reason it happened. Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOG7AXkEMc
It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?
It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?
April 11, 2024, 02:19:05 AM
Wow, The Rock Dwayne Johnson is in great shape. However, if Fury considers himself to be one, then most likely he does not train 24/7 but is again experiencing mental problems due to cocaine and nandrolone 
Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.
Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.
However, if Tyson Fury trained for the fight against Francis Ngannou and punched Francis straight to the stretcher and carried out by Mike Tyson, would the odds on Fury be 1.85? It will certainly be very much lower, I reckon. This is the picture mentioned that was being compared by the fans to the Rock.
Also, what is this nondrolone? This is my first time knowing this ehehe. Is this good? Will this drug cause Fury to imagine and invent a new punch heheheh.
It is difficult to say whether it is possible to invent a new punch with the help of nandrolone, but since it is an anabolic steroid, it can help you get into shape faster (which Fury definitely needed). The question is whether he will again be able to find a boar with the required concentration of nandrolone in the meat
Quotes are still 1.85 - 1.85. I still don’t understand if there is value here (probably in a bet on Fury). There is probably no point in betting live, since one hit will change the whole picture.
April 10, 2024, 09:39:10 PM
On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.
But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.
In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.
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