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If you look through the mainstream media, it does seem to be very quiet even though the magnitude of what is actually going to happen on 17th February 2024 is known to boxing fans and the media.

I cannot remember a fight anywhere close to the prominence of a unification being muted to this level. They had a face to face and after that it has been fairly quiet. It goes without say there will be an increase in hype and promotion as the countdown to the fight begins in the beginning of February but maybe this strategy suits both boxers as they can simply stay away with their training teams and focus on their preparations.

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It's the biggest fight lined up for sure but I've not really seen much hype or promo for it in a while. Maybe the big Saudi Day of Reckoning fight took over for December. Have they got any press conferences lined up? You'd think they'll start to ramp up promo now since it's next month and the busy Christmas and new year period is now over. I don't think they've announced any undercard fights yet either. Hopefully the Saudi's didn't blow all their beans on last month's fight.

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Quote from: JollyGood on January 01, 2024, 08:29:53 AM

I cannot think of any real exciting sports events taking place between today (new years day) and the day of the Fury vs Usyk fight (17th February). I suppose this is going to be one of the biggest sporting events of the year if not the biggest. As I stated before, it is the first time a unification heavyweight boxing fight will take place since Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield in 1999.

It's the biggest fight lined up for sure but I've not really seen much hype or promo for it in a while. Maybe the big Saudi Day of Reckoning fight took over for December. Have they got any press conferences lined up? You'd think they'll start to ramp up promo now since it's next month and the busy Christmas and new year period is now over. I don't think they've announced any undercard fights yet either. Hopefully the Saudi's didn't blow all their beans on last month's fight.

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I cannot think of any real exciting sports events taking place between today (new years day) and the day of the Fury vs Usyk fight (17th February). I suppose this is going to be one of the biggest sporting events of the year if not the biggest. As I stated before, it is the first time a unification heavyweight boxing fight will take place since Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield in 1999.

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Sorry for the late reply, but I have taken it from Stake. But yeah, it seems that there's mad swing as far the betting odds as I have check just now and the odds are:

Fury: 1.57
Usyk: 2.30

Maybe some whales decided to throw early money on Fury and thinking to take advantage of that good odds in the beginning. Sometimes this kind of swing odds happen very early or very late in the fight, like days before the actual fight, some entities will suddenly also do the same and bet large amount.

I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.

Whoa! This is an interesting way of looking at the match. If this fight is a draw, a second fight would have to be a knockout to do away with a trilogy. But if this is going to be a great show, I'm sure fans won't mind watching them over and over again.

Draws are always a good bet in boxing at least as far as the odds are concerned, but it's more or less a throw-away bet. I can't remember betting draw on boxing matches, but if I did I'm sure I'm also betting on other odds to make up for what I lost from it.

On another note, the odds are almost back at 1.62 for Fury. I hope it would rise more as the fight day comes close. I'm confident of my ML bet on him.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on November 30, 2023, 05:48:51 AM

I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.

If this was a one-off fight where both of these boxing giants would not have any rematch clauses, then I am sure we would see a different fight altogether. If they both knew their legacies and their reputations were on the line and there was not going to be a second chance, they would put everything in to it and go for a win with a different mentality to one where they knew there would be a rematch.

Quote from: hilariousetc on November 30, 2023, 05:48:51 AM

I think Usyk could easily outbox Fury but I also think Fury could KO him or just wear him down over the fight using his weight to tire Usyk out, but maybe Uysk is too smart and nibble to allow Fury to do too much of it.

It is after all the first time a heavyweight unification fight will take place since 1999 when Lennox Lewis defeated Evander Holyfield that is why boxing fans who support them (and neutral fans) are curious to see the two in the ring because either could win as they have their own strengths and weaknesses.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 24, 2023, 04:36:38 PM

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As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Sorry for the late reply, but I have taken it from Stake. But yeah, it seems that there's mad swing as far the betting odds as I have check just now and the odds are:

Fury: 1.57
Usyk: 2.30

Maybe some whales decided to throw early money on Fury and thinking to take advantage of that good odds in the beginning. Sometimes this kind of swing odds happen very early or very late in the fight, like days before the actual fight, some entities will suddenly also do the same and bet large amount.

I think I will go for a draw on this one. It's currently 18/1 on Skybet. Hard to call for me, and given that it's a two-fight deal maybe a draw would be best to hype up the final showdown, though no doubt we'd then see a third fight to settle it once and for all, especially if it's close.

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Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

Quote from: Coin_trader on November 21, 2023, 08:41:50 AM

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. Cheesy

Usyk has the lateral movement, and I think that will be one of his advantage against Francis, although Ngannou has some feet as well. But if Usyk can avoid the power punches of Francis and make his frustrate if ever they fight, then he can win by points in the judges scorecard.

For this fight, both needs to be in 100%, mind games might also play in this one, Usyk is taking advantage of Fury's lackluster performance and for sure he will stick it out during their press conference. But for me, size does matter in this fight, so Fury despite his poor performance against Ngannou, will try to be better here and win thru judges card by unanimous decision.

I don't think Usyk needs to do anything and that will get in Fury's head alone. Usyk merely saying I'll do the talking in the ring at the first press conference was enough to rattle Fury. Fury's game plan will no doubt be to try rile Usyk up but I don't think it will work as he's too calm and collected for that and probably doesn't want to stoop to Fury's level. Fury will likely play both dirty in the build up and the fight. Expect a lot of leaning and low-blows from Fury, especially if Usyk is just dancing around him, which I expect will be the case. It's an interesting fight to me and hard to call. I think Usyk could easily outbox Fury but I also think Fury could KO him or just wear him down over the fight using his weight to tire Usyk out, but maybe Uysk is too smart and nibble to allow Fury to do too much of it.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 24, 2023, 03:19:55 PM

For this fight, both needs to be in 100%, mind games might also play in this one, Usyk is taking advantage of Fury's lackluster performance and for sure he will stick it out during their press conference. But for me, size does matter in this fight, so Fury despite his poor performance against Ngannou, will try to be better here and win thru judges card by unanimous decision.

I think we are in agreement with each other, for this fight Fury will try to be better than in his performance against Ngannou and to be clear, if he is as bad then he will probably be knocked out by Usyk. Having said that, I expect Fury will be back to his best and also think Usyk will be back to his best after his recent fights. The boxers will be looking forward as they try to make history.

Quote from: KTChampions on November 24, 2023, 03:53:16 PM

I am almost 100% sure that we will never see such exotic fights. If Usik beats Fury, he will simply retire immediately and go undefeated. One of the big boxers (I don’t remember exactly who) recently expressed this idea and I completely agree with it. If Usik loses, then maybe we will see a Usyk-Wilder or Usyk-Zhilei fight and maybe a rematch against Fury, but then, regardless of the result, he will leave. He doesn't look like someone who would abuse his body even when his age does not allow him to maintain a decent shape.

Whatever happens in the ring, the outcome will have a sizeable impact across the boxing world. Will the winner of the fight even make one defence of their unified title? The chances are they will try to make at least one for the money but best really should know when to quit.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 16, 2023, 08:38:09 PM

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As per the latest odds:

Fury: 1.62
Usyk - 2.21

The odds I saw in box.live have a significant difference from those you've given. Where did you get those odds? Are those taken from a betting platform? In box.live the odds were 1.53 for Fury and 2.5 for Usyk. In Sportsbet, it's the same for Fury at 1.53 although lower for Usyk at 2.28. I'm for Fury in this fight. If I can find better odds for Fury like those that you've posted, I'd be interested to bet an outright. I really am not expecting an upset on this one.

Sorry for the late reply, but I have taken it from Stake. But yeah, it seems that there's mad swing as far the betting odds as I have check just now and the odds are:

Fury: 1.57
Usyk: 2.30

Maybe some whales decided to throw early money on Fury and thinking to take advantage of that good odds in the beginning. Sometimes this kind of swing odds happen very early or very late in the fight, like days before the actual fight, some entities will suddenly also do the same and bet large amount.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 21, 2023, 09:00:18 AM

Usyk shouldn't just base his assessment of Fury's abilities solely on the Ngannou fight. It's possible that Fury didn't take that match as seriously, resulting in a less intense training regimen compared to his usual rigorous routine. Now that Fury has experienced the close call and understands the risk, he might step up his training for the upcoming bout, catching Usyk off guard with a more unpredictable performance.

This make sense and possibly that fight against Ngannou is a wake up call for Fury to not slack in training but instead give Fury a reason to try more harder. I really think Fury got lucky on the judge call on that fight. It was really close and I have Ngannou winning on that fight.

Quote from: Natalim on November 21, 2023, 09:00:18 AM

While Usyk is undeniably skilled and wouldn't be a champion otherwise, in my opinion (though I may be biased), Fury still appears to be the superior fighter. Personally, I don't anticipate the upcoming contest to be closely contested, Fury might win via KO or by majority decison.

I have Fury to be the one with advantage in this fight until he fought Ngannou that gives me doubt on Fury's domination against Usyk. If Fury do the same performance when he fight Ngannou, I think Usyk might be the one to unified the belt.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 24, 2023, 03:09:13 PM

Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

I am almost 100% sure that we will never see such exotic fights. If Usik beats Fury, he will simply retire immediately and go undefeated. One of the big boxers (I don’t remember exactly who) recently expressed this idea and I completely agree with it. If Usik loses, then maybe we will see a Usyk-Wilder or Usyk-Zhilei fight and maybe a rematch against Fury, but then, regardless of the result, he will leave. He doesn't look like someone who would abuse his body even when his age does not allow him to maintain a decent shape.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 24, 2023, 03:09:13 PM

Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

Quote from: Coin_trader on November 21, 2023, 08:41:50 AM

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. Cheesy

Usyk has the lateral movement, and I think that will be one of his advantage against Francis, although Ngannou has some feet as well. But if Usyk can avoid the power punches of Francis and make his frustrate if ever they fight, then he can win by points in the judges scorecard.

For this fight, both needs to be in 100%, mind games might also play in this one, Usyk is taking advantage of Fury's lackluster performance and for sure he will stick it out during their press conference. But for me, size does matter in this fight, so Fury despite his poor performance against Ngannou, will try to be better here and win thru judges card by unanimous decision.

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Now that Usyk has seen Ngannou fight the way he did against Fury, I do not think Usyk will take Ngannou as an easy win if they ever met in a boxing ring. I would say the Usyk would win against Ngannou but it would be a tough fight. Anyway, it is better for Usyk to keep his eye firmly on the fight against Fury and leave aside any other possible opponents.

As for who would win when Fury and Usyk face each other on 17th February 2024, ordinarily, I would state that Fury would edge it but if it went to the judges scorecard anything could happen including a draw.

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I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. Cheesy

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The fight has already moved to February 24 but it seems Tyson Fury's father John Fury wants an extension because he noticed a decline in his son's performance in his last three fights and an extension will do good for him.

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"The 17th February is the date they have got to work towards. But in my opinion, Tyson needs a bit more time to get his conditioning right and his weight right," John Fury told Metro.co.uk.

"For my money, in his last three fights, I have seen a bit of decline. Not a decline in ability but a decline in strength, power, and physical condition. I don’t know what they are doing up there, you have to address it. He didn’t look himself out in Saudi.

I don't think many will agree to move the fight to a later date, the boxing community is impatient to unite the crown its better for Tyson Fury to give up the crown if he keeps avoiding Usyk, hopefully, the fight will really push in February.

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Usyk shouldn't just base his assessment of Fury's abilities solely on the Ngannou fight. It's possible that Fury didn't take that match as seriously, resulting in a less intense training regimen compared to his usual rigorous routine. Now that Fury has experienced the close call and understands the risk, he might step up his training for the upcoming bout, catching Usyk off guard with a more unpredictable performance.

While Usyk is undeniably skilled and wouldn't be a champion otherwise, in my opinion (though I may be biased), Fury still appears to be the superior fighter. Personally, I don't anticipate the upcoming contest to be closely contested, Fury might win via KO or by majority decison.

Quote from: JollyGood on November 21, 2023, 08:35:59 AM

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 18, 2023, 12:39:47 AM

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 21, 2023, 08:35:59 AM

No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Fury is surprised that his main weapon clinched and punch doesn’t work to Ngannou since he can still receive a much solid blow compared on what he is giving to Francis. On typical boxer Fury fight, This style was working due to his stamina advantage yet Ngannou overcome this like he was trained to fight in close combat.

I believe too that Usyk will suffer worst if he will fight Ngannou because this beast is trained well to fight heavy weight in boxing while he has a very destructive punch. I though he was gonna be a glass cannon since he is amateur on boxing yet he is resilient like tire rubber. Cheesy

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No matter how big and bulky any opponent might be, Fury can still use his size and weight to drain energy from opponents but Ngannou was the exception (probably because he was used to a different type of fighting skill in MMA).

I think Usyk will feel the pressure when Fury uses his body weight to try to bully him but maybe he will handle it like Ngannou because he himself is a brilliant boxer. When the fight takes place, it will all unfold.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on November 18, 2023, 12:39:47 AM

That picture is from several years ago. Usyk has put on more muscle and gotten stronger since then. Fury likes to use his size and strength to bully his opponents. Ngannou showed that if you can neutralize those advantages Fury is a lot less effective. For Usyk, who normally weighs around 220 lbs, the disadvantages might be too significant to overcome.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 18, 2023, 08:44:05 PM

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This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

Come on! In boxing, size and weight always matter. There's a reason why an agreed weight will have to be strictly implemented. To fail is to pay a costly fine. Worse, the match could be cancelled and you're still asked to pay for certain expenses. Moreover, Fury isn't that big that it's taking a toll on his movement and speed. Fury floats. This is a lethal combination.

In addition to his size and weight, which Fury makes the most of in his fights, there's also that 7-inch difference in reach. We've also seen how Fury stretches that arm to keep his opponents at bay.

I'm not saying Usyk doesn't even have the slightest chance to win. The man is quick for his weight class. But it cannot be possible that he would wear out Fury to the point that he would fall from fatigue. LOL!

Oh, well, I hope you didn’t take my words about fatigue literally? I meant a slightly different kind of fatigue - when you can’t hit your opponent and he regularly hits you. At this weight, even light jabs (that land) are exhausting, and if it goes on for 12 rounds, any boxer can get tired. In general, if you look at what you write, Usik has chances, but they are so illusory that there are almost none, but even bookmakers give him solid chances.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 18, 2023, 08:52:11 AM

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Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

Come on! In boxing, size and weight always matter. There's a reason why an agreed weight will have to be strictly implemented. To fail is to pay a costly fine. Worse, the match could be cancelled and you're still asked to pay for certain expenses. Moreover, Fury isn't that big that it's taking a toll on his movement and speed. Fury floats. This is a lethal combination.

In addition to his size and weight, which Fury makes the most of in his fights, there's also that 7-inch difference in reach. We've also seen how Fury stretches that arm to keep his opponents at bay.

I'm not saying Usyk doesn't even have the slightest chance to win. The man is quick for his weight class. But it cannot be possible that he would wear out Fury to the point that he would fall from fatigue. LOL!

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 17, 2023, 08:31:33 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 17, 2023, 09:04:45 AM

Hmmm... It seems to me that any bet on Usik with odds higher than 2.1 is profitable. At the moment, Fury is much more hyped than Usyk plus he is the favorite so it can be assumed that bookmakers base their quotes on cash flow from betters. Therefore, I will assume that these quotes poorly reflect the sports balance of power where it seems that the chances are 50 to 50.

I don't see it as 50:50. I actually agree with the odds. That's why I was curious where this Fury's 1.62 odds are posted because that's for me higher than it could actually be in reality. Usyk has a talent, yes, but if he could only win an SD against a breaking Joshua in their rematch, I can't see any reason how he could defeat a much bigger, stronger, and more confident and undefeated Fury.

This is not sumo where size and weight always help you, if Fury cannot hit Usik, then there is a chance that by the end of the fight Fury himself will fall from fatigue (haha). The question is how much faster Usik will be and how long he can remain invulnerable. It’s hard for me to guess who will be luckier - Usik or Fury, so I’m taking the basic 50/50. There were many fights where the technician wore down the knockout guy and vice versa where the knockout guy suppressed the technician with his physical power, I don’t know how it will be here. And it’s clear that they’re both techies, but there’s a similar pattern here: superior power versus speed.

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